nova_satori Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Jan 1st, 2005: Everyone converts to Buddism or Dalai Lama's religion of Compassion. Jan 2nd, 2005: All conflict stops. Eternal peace reigns. End of story. That's the real way to fix the world. Have you ever heard of a Buddist extremist? How about someone who commits terrorism in the name of compassion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaken Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 you are an extremist fanatic how DARE you try to make the world a better place! how DARE you care for people what is the world coming to. but serisouly religion is too scary. no matter what one you chose, it seems to support violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 religion is too scary. no matter what one you chose, it seems to support violence. HERE HERE! 100% agree!!!!! Stop religion = World Peace There are too many people fighting over stupid religious beliefs that have been going on for thousands of years...get over it people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Much that is evil has been done in the name of religion, but much has not. Since we entered the secular age, the wars, massacres and death tolls have made those of the religious ages puny by comparison. The Crusades were nothing compared to World War II. Medieval pogroms were nothing compared to the Holocaust. The campaigns of Mohammed and his descendants, who waged war in the name of Allah, were nothing to the campaigns of Hitler, a secular humanist. The problem is not religion. The Big Three monotheistic religions are all descended from the same root, and that root has the same message - peace and brotherhood to those who do not wish you harm. The problem has been those religious leaders and organisations that twist the words of their religion around in the interests in worldly power. Leaders like that have actually turned their backs upon religion. This is the problem with Islam, for instance, as Mohammed was such a leader. Religion does not kill people. People kill people. They may kill in the name of religion, but they also kill in the name of peace, for the good of humanity, and so on. That does not make it so. People kill, but they also lie, to others and to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloniusfleabag Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Wow, a thread where everyone is right! Dear Hugo, you are right in the fact that it is not religious tenet that drives 'man to murder man'. "Kill them all, God will know His own" was an actual 'church' edict. Logic and reason are what separates man from the animals, and to a certain degree religion itself casts those aside. Throughout history it was basically for accumulation of wealth and power. The 'big three' religions without a doubt have killed more numbers, accrued more wealth, and sought to spread it's dogmas by force waaaaaay more than any one nation or individual ever will. Solution: Learn from the past and carry nothing forward that leads to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Solution: Learn from the past and carry nothing forward that leads to death. Erm... this from a man who quotes Adolf Hitler in his signature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_satori Posted September 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Hitler was once a great leader. Before we went genocidal. Newspapers across the world praised Hitler for his ability to bring food to the table, among other fixing other societal lackings. Or shall we simply forget that as well? I love right-wing people, ignore everything that doesn't fit into your theory enveople. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Jan 1st, 2005: Everyone converts to Buddism or Dalai Lama's religion of Compassion.Jan 2nd, 2005: All conflict stops. Eternal peace reigns. End of story. That's the real way to fix the world. Have you ever heard of a Buddist extremist? How about someone who commits terrorism in the name of compassion? I must admit Nova, this would certainly fix the ills of the world quite well. Can you now figure out a way to get depleted uranium to exit the hole in the ozone layer and close it afterwards? Now, to be practical, how are we going to get everybody to convert? We in the west are the least of the problem in this aspect as the Militant Islamics will kill you merely for speaking of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_satori Posted September 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 sheesh. No one on your side can even think of how to fix the world. At least give me some credit. It would work if someone could manage it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Might work for everybody else on the planet. I wouldn't go for it because I enjoy my life the way it is. Most other people probably are the same so ..... no. It wouldn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_satori Posted September 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 but nevertheless, it's a nice thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuclear Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 I'm a Christian. I will always be a Christian. There is no way on God's green earth that I will worship a fat statue. This is my belief. Btw, It's human nature to fight. We've always fought. What makes you think we're going to suddenly stop anytime soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hitler was once a great leader. Before we went genocidal. Newspapers across the world praised Hitler for his ability to bring food to the table, among other fixing other societal lackings. Zoinks! Sure he seized power illegally, committed genocide and launched the most destructive conflict in human history...but dammnit if he didn't make the trains run on time... I'm a Christian. I will always be a Christian. There is no way on God's green earth that I will worship a fat statue. This is my belief. You obviously know butkis about Buddhism, then. It's not a religion so much as a philosophy. There's no god or any other deity, just the belief that living in harmony awith all of the earth and seeking knowledge is the path to enlightenment. That said, I know a couple of real a$$hole Buddhists.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuclear Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hitler was once a great leader. Before we went genocidal. Newspapers across the world praised Hitler for his ability to bring food to the table, among other fixing other societal lackings. Zoinks! Sure he seized power illegally, committed genocide and launched the most destructive conflict in human history...but dammnit if he didn't make the trains run on time... Sounds like some lie-berals.....I have been reading about how the Roosevelt Admin and Truman Admin knew they had soviet spies in them but looked the other way while atomic secrets were sent over to 'Uncle Joe' No, don't know much about Buddism. I'm never changing my religion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Btw, It's human nature to fight. We've always fought. What makes you think we're going to suddenly stop anytime soon? I disagree, I think that it is our nature to grow and improve. To desire to be better and we use competition against ourselves as a guage. A saint wants to convert the world to the true religion while a bastard wants to enslave them to be the ruler. The rest of us are somewhere inbetween trying to be the best we can be while trying to retain a sense of normallicy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I'm a happy and peacful atheist, and I would still agree with nova. Uniting the world under one religion, though implausible, would rid the world of problems. In our time and day, hope is scare, yet nova is one of the few rational voices to rise above the crowd. Thank you for starting this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Read Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 If you think Nova the joker is rational, you need a lobotomy. Fast. Please go get one and come back on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuclear Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I'm a happy and peacful atheist, and I would still agree with nova. Uniting the world under one religion, though implausible, would rid the world of problems. In our time and day, hope is scare, yet nova is one of the few rational voices to rise above the crowd. Thank you for starting this topic. We then proceed to fight about which religion it is considering no one is willing to abandon their own. It'd be great if the world was peaceful, but so long as there is greed, there will be jealousy and therefore, someone always willing to take what you earned. Some will attack to take, others will defend. One day there will be a one world government centered in, ironically enough, Iraq. There will be a one world leader who will demand loyalty. Just watch....maybe in our lifetimes, maybe not.... I just know I won't be around for it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I'm a happy and peacful atheist, and I would still agree with nova. Uniting the world under one religion, though implausible, would rid the world of problems. In our time and day, hope is scare, yet nova is one of the few rational voices to rise above the crowd. Thank you for starting this topic. Hey, I'm rational too. What if we were all evil dictators with a nuke pointed at each other's ass, and were so scared shitless of one another that nobody dared make a FUCKING MOVE? Isn't that just as peaceful as "Planet of The Buddists?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloniusfleabag Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Dear KK, LOL. I suppose that is the ultimate in security, but not freedom. Too bad those two notions seem to be incompatible. While expletives in debate seem,to me, to be a wasted word, I think you used them rather succinctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_satori Posted September 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Craig Read: Because the world will be solved by igniting every land in the hateful fires of hell right? The world will be saved when everyone who disagrees with you is purged? The world will be good when only extremists right wingers exist? Wait. your side condones genocide. Forgot about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 What if we were all evil dictators with a nuke pointed at each other's ass, and were so scared shitless of one another that nobody dared make a FUCKING MOVE? Too young to remember the cold war? But that was soooo long ago huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 The idea of this thread was to crate world peace correct? Well the way to do that would be to elminate all borders and eliminate all or all but one religion. No more wars over religion or over land. that elminates all most all the reasons for war. Afterward, create a democracy of this new Earth Sphere Nation so that no one person or group has all the power. this would create world peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 The idea of this thread was to crate world peace correct? Well the way to do that would be to elminate all borders and eliminate all or all but one religion. No more wars over religion or over land. that elminates all most all the reasons for war. Afterward, create a democracy of this new Earth Sphere Nation so that no one person or group has all the power. this would create world peace Hi Locke,that is definitely one solution. There are however many others. I'll list a few of them. As you browse over them I'm sure you will find a similarity with your idea. Another way to ensure world peace is for all mankind to become; snow plow operators; porn stars; policemen; convenience store owners; farmers; tool and die makers; high profile trial lawyers; talk show hosts. As for creating a democracy of this new earth the planet of the snow plow operators (if that is the way mankind chooses to have world peace) can all get together and decide which street and driveway gets plowed by whom. When lunchtime rolls around we will probably wish there was farmers instead of us and at night when we go to sleep in the cabs of our trucks we might wish there were house builders but by George, we sure will have world peace. Another bonus, as we drive back and forth cleaning the planet of snow we can smile, honk and wave at one another. AHHH, peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hey KK Well...I guess that is a few solution. Of course, when you think about it, it would eventually kill off all the human race, so yes, that would probably be the best idea. Considering the fact that humans are the most dangerous animals in the world, yes that would be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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