Mark Carney will make crime and chaos worse.

[Gaétan]

On 9/18/2025 at 1:23 PM, blackbird said:

Crime is getting worse in Canada under the Liberals. Why don't you care?

Jesus teaches that if you punish others for their faults, you will be punished for your own. And it has been proven that punishment is not an effective way to reduce crime — in fact, it often makes things worse. Two things: You will be punished after you die, and punishment is not effective — it actually makes things worse for public health.

Research Shows That Long Prison Sentences Don’t Actually Improve Safety | Vera Institute

[I am Groot]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I couldn't find 'non-reported' instances but the conversation is about crime.  There's the report.

Reporting victimization to police

Victims of crime may choose to report––or not report––an incident to police for a wide range of reasons. The GSS asked whether or not the incident was reported, as well as reasons for reporting or not reporting the incidents experienced. Of note, the information on reporting to police (and all other incident characteristics) that follows excludes incidents of spousal violence which were collected under a different methodology and will be analyzed in a future Juristat article.

In 2019, most incidents were not reported, with about three in ten (29%) coming to the attention of police. Most were reported directly by the respondent (22%) while some were reported in another way (7%).

Generally speaking, household victimization incidents were more likely than violent incidents to have been brought to the attention of the police (35% versus 24%) (Table 6). That said, the proportion of incidents that were reported to police varied widely depending on the specific type of crime (Chart 7). About half of motor vehicle thefts (52%), robberies (47%^E), and break and enters (45%) were reported to police.

 

2 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus teaches that if you punish others for their faults, you will be punished for your own. And it has been proven that punishment is not an effective way to reduce crime

Horseshit.

[Gaétan]

Matthieu 7:1–2 (Version Internationale) – Traduction en français

« Ne jugez pas, afin que vous ne soyez pas jugés. Car de la même manière que vous jugez les autres, vous serez jugés, et la mesure dont vous vous servez pour les autres servira aussi pour vous. »

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

Reporting victimization to police

Victims of crime may choose to report––or not report––an incident to police for a wide range of reasons. The GSS asked whether or not the incident was reported, as well as reasons for reporting or not reporting the incidents experienced. Of note, the information on reporting to police (and all other incident characteristics) that follows excludes incidents of spousal violence which were collected under a different methodology and will be analyzed in a future Juristat article.

In 2019, most incidents were not reported, with about three in ten (29%) coming to the attention of police. Most were reported directly by the respondent (22%) while some were reported in another way (7%).

Generally speaking, household victimization incidents were more likely than violent incidents to have been brought to the attention of the police (35% versus 24%) (Table 6). That said, the proportion of incidents that were reported to police varied widely depending on the specific type of crime (Chart 7). About half of motor vehicle thefts (52%), robberies (47%^E), and break and enters (45%) were reported to police.

 

I saw that 2019 data.  It may or may not have changed but we're in 2025 now and there data shows crime has been decreasing. You can take extrapolate the same data to day and still the same....crime has been decreasing.  Decreasing enough.... depending who you talk to I suppose.

[Gaétan]

Matthew 7:1–2 (New International Version)

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

My reason is that I quoted statistics, not a subjective opinion.  Is there a problem with that?

Yes, because I don't know how that has helped.  Street crime with repeat offenders is reported almost every day on the B.C. news.  The disastrous bail system is well known to release repeat offenders constantly, some of them dangerous and we see on the news how people have been murdered by offenders released on bail.  So your statistics don't solve that problem at all.

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

And if my entire family and I, as well as my circle of friends had criminal records what's the problem if we all now adhere to our laws?

That would be a huge problem because it would explain why you are biased against changing the lax bail laws because you would be sympathetic to criminals moreso than the average person.  You might believe everyone with a criminal record behaves himself, which they don't in many cases.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I saw that 2019 data.  It may or may not have changed but we're in 2025 now and there data shows crime has been decreasing. You can take extrapolate the same data to day and still the same....crime has been decreasing.  Decreasing enough.... depending who you talk to I suppose.

Or... people have been reporting it less because the courts have pretty much given up on enforcing a lot of minor laws, especially against 'marginalized' groups.

You know, the ones who commit most of the crime.

The last survey was done last year. But the government has not released it yet - a week from October.

 

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus teaches that if you punish others for their faults, you will be punished for your own. And it has been proven that punishment is not an effective way to reduce crime — in fact, it often makes things worse. Two things: You will be punished after you die, and punishment is not effective — it actually makes things worse for public health.

Research Shows That Long Prison Sentences Don’t Actually Improve Safety | Vera Institute

That is a bizarre claim.  May I suggest you start going for Biblical counselling?  It might help you.  

Secondly, that is not what the Bible teaches at all.  God punished the Israelites many times in the Old Testament for violating his commandments.   In fact, God gave the death penalty for those who broke a lot of his commands.  Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Or... people have been reporting it less because the courts have pretty much given up on enforcing a lot of minor laws, especially against 'marginalized' groups.

You know, the ones who commit most of the crime.

The last survey was done last year. But the government has not released it yet - a week from October.

 

I have no idea. Again though, percentages staying the same from that 2019 data crime is still down.

[LinkSoul60]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, because I don't know how that has helped.  Street crime with repeat offenders is reported almost every day on the B.C. news.  The disastrous bail system is well known to release repeat offenders constantly, some of them dangerous and we see on the news how people have been murdered by offenders released on bail.  So your statistics don't solve that problem at all.

That would be a huge problem because it would explain why you are biased against changing the lax bail laws because you would be sympathetic to criminals moreso than the average person.  You might believe everyone with a criminal record behaves himself, which they don't in many cases.

Quoting actual data and not someone's subjective opinion doesn't help?  That's an interesting perspective...  I watch the BC news as well but don't keep a personal scorecard of those instances. That's where the data part comes in.  Do I think something more should be done for repeat and specially repeat dangerous offenders, yes I do, but the conversation started with overall crime. 

I'm curious where I said I'm against changing any bail laws?  If you can point that out for me much appreciated.  And I know it's not falling into your narrative of what I should be saying as a 'lefty', but I don't believe I've said anything in defence of crime or dangerous offenders?  Again, if you can point that also out much appreciated.  

[Gaétan]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is a bizarre claim.  May I suggest you start going for Biblical counselling?  It might help you.  

Secondly, that is not what the Bible teaches at all.  God punished the Israelites many times in the Old Testament for violating his commandments.   In fact, God gave the death penalty for those who broke a lot of his commands.  Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

This is not what Jesus teaches and even your god doesn't teaches that: 

English Standard Version (ESV) – 

“You shall not murder.”

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

data shows crime has been decreasing.

Who knows exactly what that means?  You seem to be making that claim to downplay or negate the belief that Carney and the Liberals will make crime worse.

So in that sense what you are saying comes across as you opposing doing something about the bad bail laws or other useless liberal crime laws.

Ask a brewery owner in Prince George about that.  I believe his brewery was set on fire by an arsonist and that area of town has become very bad.  Police seem unable to do anything to help him much.  He is thinking of shutting his business down now.  Of course the city is very unhappy about all that.

You asked what you said that shows you come across that way and that's it.

The thing is the liberal gang are anti God and supporters of evil.  That may be by pure ignorance but the end result is still the same.  Their ideology is anti-God and anti-Bible.  I will give you a couple examples of how this is true:

1.  The believe abortion on demand is fine, when in fact it is murder of preborn babies.

2.  They support LGBTQ ideology under the claim of DEI.  Nobody says they should persecute or discriminate against LGBTQ people or anything like that.  But the liberal party seems to be in an crusade to normalize trans gender ideology, etc.  Check the Liberal party website.

"

2016

Federal legislation introduced to protect trans* rights and prevent discrimination based on gender identity.

Justin Trudeau becomes the first Canadian Prime Minister to march in a Pride Parade.

Justin Trudeau and MPs raised the Pride Flag on Parliament Hill for the first time."

etc. etc.

A proud record of fighting for 2SLGBTQI+ rights | Liberal Party of Canada

What exactly are these rights they are talking about?

To be clear, I don't support discrimination of anybody.  But I have a problem with teaching kids some of these things in school such as trans is normal and any kid can change his gender if he or she wishes.

3.  Just today they announced they recognize two states in Israel, that is, they recognize Palestine as a state.

This is radically anti-Israel and is rewarding Hamas regardless of what Carney claims.

4.  Medical assistance in dying (MAID) is assisted killing and is basically wrong and contrary to the Bible and our historic Judeo-Christian civilization/culture.

5.  The way liberals handle crime and the justice system has many problems in it.

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

This is not what Jesus teaches and even your god doesn't teaches that: 

English Standard Version (ESV) – 

“You shall not murder.”

Never said anything about killing criminals although capital punishment would be useful for murderers.

That is you changing the subject.

You said you oppose punishment for criminals.  That is nonsense.  The Bible doesn't teach not to punish criminals.

Read Romans 13:4 KJV

The ESV is a corrupt Bible by the way.  The KJV is the only real Bible.

 

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Matthew 7:1–2 (New International Version)

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

The NIV Is a corrupt Bible as are all modern versions.  Read this book "Beyond Versions" at this website:      You can go to this website and scroll down to see the book online.

Beyond+Versions.pdf

They have other good books you can read online also:

Books

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Who knows exactly what that means? 

Anyone who looked at the data would know what it means. 

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You seem to be making that claim to downplay or negate the belief that Carney and the Liberals will not make crime worse.

I've not downplayed anything.  Why do you feel compelled to tell me I have?

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So in that sense what you are saying comes across as you opposing doing something about the bad bail laws or other useless liberal crime laws.

You have a very active imagination. Does that help you prolong the spewing of your cause?

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You asked what you said that shows you come across that way and that's it.

So nowhere could you cite. Appreciate the feedback. 

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The thing is the liberal gang are anti God and supporters of evil.  That may be by pure ignorance but the end result is still the same.  Their ideology is anti-God and anti-Bible.  I will give you a couple examples of how this is true:

I couldn't care less about your view of liberals or the bible. I thought you were a live and let live kind of guy though but seem to have a problem with people that don't align with your views.... liberals, trans, Palestinians, or anyone that has a tattoo.  That's not very christian-like is it....

 

Save the bible talkings for someone else.

 

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Anyone who looked at the data would know what it means. 

I've not downplayed anything.  Why do you feel compelled to tell me I have?

You have a very active imagination. Does that help you prolong the spewing of your cause?

So nowhere could you cite. Appreciate the feedback. 

I couldn't care less about your view of liberals or the bible. I thought you were a live and let live kind of guy though but seem to have a problem with people that don't align with your views.... liberals, trans, Palestinians, or anyone that has a tattoo.  That's not very christian-like is it....

 

Save the bible talkings for someone else.

 

Standing up for what the Bible teaches and opposing evil is what Christians are supposed to do.  

"live and let live" is pure liberal, progressive, woke ideology.  Turning a blind eye to all the evil is exactly what Satan wants you to do.  See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.  That is what being a good liberal means.   Didn't you know that?

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Standing up for what the Bible teaches and opposing evil is what Christians are supposed to do.  

"live and let live" is pure liberal, progressive, woke ideology.  Turning a blind eye to all the evil is exactly what Satan wants you to do.  See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.  That is what being a good liberal means.   Didn't you know that?

Standing up for something and bias preaching are two different things. Go preach to someone else.

 

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I thought you were a live and let live kind of guy though but seem to have a problem with people that don't align with your views.... liberals, trans, Palestinians, or anyone that has a tattoo.  That's not very christian-like is it....

What hypocritical is liberals claiming they live and let live, but in fact they are the ones imposing all this liberal progressive stuff on society with the laws they bring in.  And then claiming they are just living and let living.  If I'm not mistaken, the liberal government even cut off funding for summer students who belonged to Christian schools that opposed abortion.  Not sure if they dropped that idea and started funding them again or not.  Liberals don't live and let live at all.  They impose their DEI ideology on the Canadian Forces, and hiring practices in public services.

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Standing up for something and bias preaching are two different things. Go preach to someone else.

 

Nonsense.  You commented on this the crime and chaos subject here and I explained what I believe in connection with it.  Like it or lump it.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Go preach to someone else.

Did the Devil tell you to say that.   The Devil rules this world and especially controls all non-believers.  Why do you want to dance to his tune and be a slave to him?  There is a way to escape you know.   Get a King James Bible and learn the truth.   You see this as some kind of hostile response, but the truth is what I am telling you is a priceless gift offered to you, the King James Bible which is God's direct revelation to man.

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What hypocritical is liberals claiming they live and let live, but in fact they are the ones imposing all this liberal progressive stuff on society with the laws they bring in.  And then claiming they are just living and let living.  If I'm not mistaken, the liberal government even cut off funding for summer students who belonged to Christian schools that opposed abortion.  Not sure if they dropped that idea and started funding them again or not.  Liberals don't live and let live at all.  They impose their DEI ideology on the Canadian Forces, and hiring practices in public services.

Nonsense.  You commented on this the crime and chaos subject here and I explained what I believe in connection with it.  Like it or lump it.

You explained jack shit.  Banging the bible and calling out people or groups of people because they don't agree with your ideals is way too weak.  

The only nonsense is your preaching.  Move on...

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

calling out people or groups of people because they don't agree with your ideals is way too weak.  

Hate to have to correct you again, but I go by what God says in his written revelation.

You might find it uncomfortable.  The truth is uncomfortable for people who don't know the truth.  

You are relatively new on here I suspect.  At least I haven't seen your pseudonym on here very long.  I have been around here for years and am familiar with people who spend their life fighting against God and serving Satan.  That is a fact.

Most people are serving Satan and his demonic hordes and don't even realize it or acknowledge it.   If you want to know anything about that, I can try to answer any questions.  It doesn't scare me off because God is the one whom I am trying to serve.  He wants everyone to know the truth.

[herbie]

Aww, reason with the guy LS60. He is capable of reaching compromise even though he loves to doom scroll about everything.
Tell him to pay more attention to the 2nd half of that Bible and see some things changed even back in those times.... like forgiving instead of poking out eyes and smashing teeth.

[Gaétan]

55 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Never said anything about killing criminals although capital punishment would be useful for murderers.

That is you changing the subject.

You said you oppose punishment for criminals.  That is nonsense.  The Bible doesn't teach not to punish criminals.

Read Romans 13:4 KJV

The ESV is a corrupt Bible by the way.  The KJV is the only real Bible.

 

Matthew 5:38–39 (KJV) “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

This is not a metaphor. It’s a direct contradiction of the Old Testament law of retaliation. Jesus doesn’t soften it — he abolishes it. He replaces retribution with mercy, vengeance with grace. If you claim to follow Christ, you cannot cling to the sword of Leviticus while ignoring the cross of Matthew.

[blackbird]

There you go.   I now if folks knew a bit about heaven and hell they would be more interested in the Bible subject.

Heaven and hell and real places.  Hell is a place of everlasting suffering and anyone who thinks about it would want to avoid it at all costs.  Heaven on the other hand is a place of eternal happiness with Jesus.  Everyone is heading for one of those places, either heaven or hell.  It is a choice.  I pray that you folks make the right choice.  That is what the King James Bible is about.  It gives the problem and the solution.  We have only one life.  Now is the day of salvation Herbie.  

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Hate to have to correct you again, but I go by what God says in his written revelation.

You might find it uncomfortable.  The truth is uncomfortable for people who don't know the truth.  

You are relatively new on here I suspect.  At least I haven't seen your pseudonym on here very long.  I have been around here for years and am familiar with people who spend their life fighting against God and serving Satan.  That is a fact.

Most people are serving Satan and his demonic hordes and don't even realize it or acknowledge it.   If you want to know anything about that, I can try to answer any questions.  It doesn't scare me off because God is the one whom I am trying to serve.  He wants everyone to know the truth.

I don't find it uncomfortable at all. I find it more annoying than anything.

God's scratching his head over you...  A hater of people that don't agree with his views is preaching values.  Hypocrisy at it's finest and rolled up into another sorry conservative who can't stop complaining.

Appreciate the offer but need to know anything about Satan, I know him well enough.

But seriously, go play bible with someone else.....