Reported US atrocity in Iraq

[rover1]

According to a Globe and Mail report the US Marines committed an atrocity upon several Iraqi civilians including women and children. American officials have stated that the event amounted to 'cold blooded murder' and a top Marine general has been sent to Iraq to investigate the matter.

[lost&outofcontrol]

According to a Globe and Mail report the US Marines committed an atrocity upon several Iraqi civilians including women and children. American officials have stated that the event amounted to 'cold blooded murder' and a top Marine general has been sent to Iraq to investigate the matter.

Veteran admits: Bodies melted away before us.

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Rape and other torture in Iraq Lewis Paul Bremer, Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance for post-war Iraq

The economic interests behind the atrocities are barely mentioned; their implications for women have been totally hidden. The privatisation of everything, from oil to water, electricity, etc., imposed by the US as soon as it had occupied Iraq, has given powers to employers they never had before. Paul Bremer has banned all unions and set public sector wages at $40, less than half the recommended monthly wage of a sweatshop worker in neighbouring Iran. At Najebeeya electricity plant in Basra, where women make up 10% of the workforce, “the nursery has been turned over to a friend of the boss who has made it into a second home for himself, leaving working mothers to work with their children in tow.” And of course there is no equal pay and women get $15-25 less than men for doing the same job. The same is happening in US occupied Haiti, where the US has put sweatshop owners and their friends back in charge.

Just others stories we haven't heard on CNN et al.

[Argus]

Just others stories we haven't heard on CNN et al.

Most of them untrue, most of the rest out of context. Honestly, I think you and your type, if alive during WW2, would have been peppering every windshield with allegations of allied attrocities, pictures of poor German and Japanese civilians being killed, and demands that Ike, Churchill and Roosevelt be arrested for war crimes.

Guess what? In war, sh*t happens.

[BHS]

rover:

You got the story mixed up. The incident has been under investigation for two months. The investigation is nearly completed. The general was sent Iraq to 'steady his charges" - in other words, to boost the moral of marines not involved in the incident.

lost:

I Googled "CNN white phosphorus". This is the first item that came up in the search, a CNN story about white phosphorus use in Iraq from November 2005. If they aren't reporting the story using exactly the details and terminology that you would prefer, it might be because your prefered sources are full of bs.

[gerryhatrick]

Most of them untrue, most of the rest out of context. .....

Guess what? In war, sh*t happens.

Have you been following the story as it's unfolded? Are you aware of the accusations by Congressman Murtha?

Are you aware that it's pretty much established now that these soldiers committed murder as an act of revenge?

Sure, sh#t happens. And when it happens, it's our duty to scream it from the roof-tops so the next squad that's reaching the edge might remember this and the fallout and step away from that edge.

Don't look at everything as either "pro-war" or "anti-war". Sometimes morality needs to win the day.

[lost&outofcontrol]

Just others stories we haven't heard on CNN et al.

Most of them untrue, most of the rest out of context. Honestly, I think you and your type, if alive during WW2, would have been peppering every windshield with allegations of allied attrocities, pictures of poor German and Japanese civilians being killed, and demands that Ike, Churchill and Roosevelt be arrested for war crimes.

Guess what? In war, sh*t happens.

How can it be untrue, you have US veterans’ admitting to using the stuff and a spokesman for the US army, LT Colonel saying this:

"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants,"

Funny you should mention Churchill. In 1919, Churchill ordered the use of "poisoned gas" "against uncivilized tribes" of Iraq (Mesopotamia).

You must be the king of the "Ignore the facts" game and please, if all you can do is deny the truth then please stay home and don’t reply, it’s embarrassing for both of us.

lost:

I Googled "CNN white phosphorus". This is the first item that came up in the search, a CNN story about white phosphorus use in Iraq from November 2005. If they aren't reporting the story using exactly the details and terminology that you would prefer, it might be because your prefered sources are full of bs.

I have to admit that I didn't see that report on cnn. Although it only says that Iraq is investigating the possible use of white phosphorus when that has already been proven true. Where is the follow up, where is the outcry?

[newbie]

Most of them untrue, most of the rest out of context. .....

Guess what? In war, sh*t happens.

Have you been following the story as it's unfolded? Are you aware of the accusations by Congressman Murtha?

Are you aware that it's pretty much established now that these soldiers committed murder as an act of revenge?

Sure, sh#t happens. And when it happens, it's our duty to scream it from the roof-tops so the next squad that's reaching the edge might remember this and the fallout and step away from that edge.

Don't look at everything as either "pro-war" or "anti-war". Sometimes morality needs to win the day.

Right on. The neocons left "morality" out of the formula when concocting the Iraq war.

[geoffrey]

Government policy and mission directives are different from what the soliders do when they go crazy.

Is ever murderer in Canada reflective of the company they work for? Soliders killing civilians or any other non-sanctioned idea is not a reflection on the war or the military, its a reflection on some crazed individuals.

Some wacko going nuts in Iraq doesn't change my opinion on anything to do with the war or those that launched it. We have murders everyday in Canada, in Canadian streets! Do you blame the government for every murder here?

[newbie]

Apples and oranges geoffrey. Murderers in Canada don't kill for a living on orders from the Government. Much abuse is condoned by military commanders upon prisoners. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are cases that we know about, tips of the iceberg perhaps?

[KrustyKidd]

Apples and oranges geoffrey. Murderers in Canada don't kill for a living on orders from the Government. Much abuse is condoned by military commanders upon prisoners. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are cases that we know about, tips of the iceberg perhaps?

See, the above is hubris. The thread topic is reality.

Sure, sh#t happens. And when it happens, it's our duty to scream it from the roof-tops so the next squad that's reaching the edge might remember this and the fallout and step away from that edge.

[newbie]

Apples and oranges geoffrey. Murderers in Canada don't kill for a living on orders from the Government. Much abuse is condoned by military commanders upon prisoners. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are cases that we know about, tips of the iceberg perhaps?

See, the above is hubris. The thread topic is reality.

It's right on topic Krusty. Like I said on another thread, My Lai all over again.

[Black Dog]

Another one.

The BBC has uncovered new video evidence that US forces may have been responsible for the deliberate killing of 11 innocent Iraqi civilians.

The video appears to challenge the US military's account of events that took place in the town of Ishaqi in March.

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The video pictures obtained by the BBC appear to contradict the US account of the events in Ishaqi, about 100km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, on 15 March 2006.

The US authorities said they were involved in a firefight after a tip-off that an al-Qaeda supporter was visiting the house.

According to the Americans, the building collapsed under heavy fire killing four people - a suspect, two women and a child.

But a report filed by Iraqi police accused US troops of rounding up and deliberately shooting 11 people in the house, including five children and four women, before blowing up the building.

The video tape obtained by the BBC shows a number of dead adults and children at the site with what our world affairs editor John Simpson says were clearly gunshot wounds.

Developing?

Government policy and mission directives are different from what the soliders do when they go crazy.

Is ever murderer in Canada reflective of the company they work for? Soliders killing civilians or any other non-sanctioned idea is not a reflection on the war or the military, its a reflection on some crazed individuals.

Some wacko going nuts in Iraq doesn't change my opinion on anything to do with the war or those that launched it. We have murders everyday in Canada, in Canadian streets! Do you blame the government for every murder here?

Thing is, when the policy itself contributes to the conditions in which such events occur (I think we can trace the actions of the Marines in Haditha to the fact that many were on their second or third tours and subject to the constant pressures of a war that was bungled from the get go), it's worth looking at the policy.

[Temagami Scourge]

We can't blame the soldiers entirely for these two events. The politicians who put them in that position through their own poor planning and estimations bear the ultimate responsibility, but they are the ones coming out now (like Bush yesterday) saying that the soldiers will be punished if found guilty.

Bush, Chinny and rummy should be punished for telling all and sundry that the Iraqis would welcome the U.S with open arms, and I can cite about a 1000 IED expolsions that back up that point.

[Johnny Utah]

The Marines are claiming they were under small arms fire. Also a large Fire Fight between U.S. Forces and Insurgents took place less then a mile away from where the Iraqi civilians were killed..

It doesn't excuse what might have happen, but rushes to judgement end up causing more harm, the Military is investigating events in Haditha, if these Marines committed crimes justice should be served to them that includes anyone who tried to cover this up..

[GostHacked]

Just others stories we haven't heard on CNN et al.

Most of them untrue, most of the rest out of context. Honestly, I think you and your type, if alive during WW2, would have been peppering every windshield with allegations of allied attrocities, pictures of poor German and Japanese civilians being killed, and demands that Ike, Churchill and Roosevelt be arrested for war crimes.

Guess what? In war, sh*t happens.

Yes indeed stuff happens. So I should not shed a tear for either side when they suffer losses. This all comes down to who you sympathize with. Cannot compare WWII to this war on terrorism. Different times, different situations.

But just to let you know, you have heard of Dresden Germany?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dr...in_World_War_II

Also Kobe, Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe%2C_Japan#History

The Allies were also involved in some bad stuff. Hitler was a terrible person overall, but to blame him and Nazi Germany for all the atrocities is ignorant. Both sides participated in shady stuff. Hitler did alot more however, no arguments there.

[GostHacked]

rover:

You got the story mixed up. The incident has been under investigation for two months. The investigation is nearly completed. The general was sent Iraq to 'steady his charges" - in other words, to boost the moral of marines not involved in the incident.

lost:

I Googled "CNN white phosphorus". This is the first item that came up in the search, a CNN story about white phosphorus use in Iraq from November 2005. If they aren't reporting the story using exactly the details and terminology that you would prefer, it might be because your prefered sources are full of bs.

Next time hit CNN's website and do a search there on CNN pages, not through Google or your results WILL vary.

http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?que...e%20phosphorous

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/res...orous&scope=all

Those stories hit MSM last year. Recall Fallujah anyone?

[Machinations]

Just others stories we haven't heard on CNN et al.

Guess what? In war, sh*t happens.

When they invade your country, and then kill your family, I'm sure you will be satisfied with that incredibly arrogant and ignorant response.

The Haditha thing is bad, really bad. No one is happy about it, get your facts straight. Spitting out this kind of venom is sub-human. We're talking a serious, deliberate murderous rampage, not a accidental discharge. This is likely to have repercussions in a negative way for the stability of Iraq as a whole.

Meanwhile, the religious violence is hitting a new crescendo. Not against us, mind you - against each other. This is not good.