Manifest Destiny, how long until all of the Americas become America?

[paxamericana]

The United State's soft power is fully operational with the adoption of the USMCA. Mexico and Canada are remnants of the old 19th century colonial system. Both the Spanish and British empire are no longer around yet their vestigial remnant still linger like Canada and Mexico. The U.S have fought several wars with the Spanish empire well into the 20th century even conquering the Philippines and turning it into a pseudo colony of the American. History gave America a fortuitous opportunity with World War 2 where both empire were completely devastated by the war and sought to withdraw from their colonial holdings giving up some territory to the US. America stepped in to put the nail in the coffin by paying everyone to join the American lead Global Order. That order, I would argue is being morphed into something new, yet also familiar. I see the future expansion of the American empire down to South America and the North Arctic region. But when will full expansion to annexation take place? If demographic trend holds, America should have another opportunity in the 2050s when most of the region aged beyond obsolescent making it ripe for either conquest or barter. Both Mexico and Canada no longer have the strength to resist America. 

Edited July 20, 2025 by paxamericana

[Moonlight Graham]

Russian troll bot.

[paxamericana]

16 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Russian troll bot.

Not possible, no one has more disdain for Canadian sovereignty than me. 

[Moonlight Graham]

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Not possible, no one has more disdain for Canadian sovereignty than me. 

Come get some then.

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Come get some then.

Why would we, you're applying to join us. I'm not even sure America want to let parts of Canada in. 

[CdnFox]

21 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The United State's soft power is fully operational with the adoption of the USMCA. Mexico and Canada are remnants of the old 19th century colonial system. Both the Spanish and British empire are no longer around yet their vestigial remnant still linger like Canada and Mexico. The U.S have fought several wars with the Spanish empire well into the 20th century even conquering the Philippines and turning it into a pseudo colony of the American. History gave America a fortuitous opportunity with World War 2 where both empire were completely devastated by the war and sought to withdraw from their colonial holdings giving up some territory to the US. America stepped in to put the nail in the coffin by paying everyone to join the American lead Global Order. That order, I would argue is being morphed into something new, yet also familiar. I see the future expansion of the American empire down to South America and the North Arctic region. But when will full expansion to annexation take place? If demographic trend holds, America should have another opportunity in the 2050s when most of the region aged beyond obsolescent making it ripe for either conquest or barter. Both Mexico and Canada no longer have the strength to resist America. 

Truthfully it's more likely to go the other way. I can definitely see the cracks forming in the united states and I think it will become a smaller group of nations over time. The same as possibly true of Canada.

You might wind up seeing something like the European Union here, a handful of countries that used to be America and Canada now forming a cooperative american union similar to the EU.

But currently trump's activities are pretty much guaranteeing that Canada and the United States and Mexico will never be a united nation in and of itself

[paxamericana]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You might wind up seeing something like the European Union here, a handful of countries that used to be America and Canada now forming a cooperative american union similar to the EU.

This is not possible simply due to our economically joined system and the Federal power that is supreme over the states. Secession talks were at it's peak during the American civil war and even then the underlying theme was economics. The economic of slave labor and industrial revolution. The only state that could successfully pull this off is Texas which is energy rich and boast a population 80% the size of Canada.  There are some general cultural consideration such as the urban coastal elites and the blue collar worker but this bifurcation is not a basis for secession nor is it geographically feasible. Mexico and Canada are becoming ever increasingly dependent upon the United States, don't forget we are already part of the North American union. We are also culturally assimilated with one another. Canadian american and Mexican american.  The next logical step would be statehood. 

Edited July 21, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

This is not possible simply due to our economically joined system 

It would be easy BECAUSE of that system. 

I think a lot of states would go for it. Nobody would be interested in fighting another civil war.

The US is barely holding together now as it is, pretty easy to imagine it fracturing.

When the whole 51st state thing started people in Canada jokingly said well we should actually take California and Oregon and Washington as our newest provinces. We laughed, but everyone in those states started to look thoughtfully    

So yeah, I could see America falling apart pretty soon and becoming a greater union

[SpankyMcFarland]

There is a tide in the affairs of men. Kingdoms, countries, empires all come and go. No territory expands indefinitely and the moment when decline starts is rarely seen at the time. In due course that which was once deemed impossible comes to pass, the great state falls and new ones grow in its wake. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There is a tide in the affairs of men. Kingdoms, countries, empires all come and go. No territory expands indefinitely and the moment when decline starts is rarely seen at the time. In due course that which was once deemed impossible comes to pass, the great state falls and new ones grow in its wake. 

It is always the way

[paxamericana]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

empires all come and go

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is always the way

 

Lets not forget those with geographically defensible borders are still around. Notably the British, Japanese.

America lives on a continental sized Island. We only have a land connection to Canada and South America. So to secure our own empire's security, guess where we must expand to? That is my point. We have no choice but to conquer or annex you all. 

Canada is the most compatible country to be annex yet stubbornly refuses for no apparent reason. 

Can Canadians even provide a legitimate reason as to why Canada should exist as a sovereign nation? Other than your illegitimate pride. Did this post nation state forget that they live on America's island? Your very sovereignty is not determined by you, but America. 

Edited July 22, 2025 by paxamericana

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 7/22/2025 at 11:11 AM, paxamericana said:

 

Lets not forget those with geographically defensible borders are still around. Notably the British, Japanese.

America lives on a continental sized Island. We only have a land connection to Canada and South America. So to secure our own empire's security, guess where we must expand to? That is my point. We have no choice but to conquer or annex you all. 

Canada is the most compatible country to be annex yet stubbornly refuses for no apparent reason. 

Can Canadians even provide a legitimate reason as to why Canada should exist as a sovereign nation? Other than your illegitimate pride. Did this post nation state forget that they live on America's island? Your very sovereignty is not determined by you, but America. 

Countries are artificial constructs. Even the oldest city states on earth are only a few thousand years old. America is just as arbitrary as the Roman Empire or Czechoslovakia  and like them will disappear in due course.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Countries are artificial constructs.

Just so I don’t misunderstand. Are you implying that boundaries while arbitrary serves no purpose? What about your house door, property rights, intellectual property. The separation of church and state. That’s an arbitrary boundary as well. You want to live as a doormat?

Edited July 23, 2025 by paxamericana

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Just so I don’t misunderstand. Are you implying that boundaries while arbitrary serves no purpose? What about your house door, property rights, intellectual property. The separation of church and state. That’s an arbitrary boundary as well. You want to live as a doormat?

Countries serve the interests of their inhabitants for a while. If you take a longer view you can see they all fail eventually.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Countries serve the interests of their inhabitants for a while. If you take a longer view you can see they all fail eventually.

But in reality wouldn't that make them less like an artificial construct and more like a living creature with a finite lifespan? They're born they grow they sometimes spawn offspring and eventually they get old and their health fails and they pass leaving room for another generation

[SpankyMcFarland]

To answer the question, I think the American civil war saved Canada from conquest and the threat stayed dormant for a long time thereafter. The consensus until recently was that the productivity of individual workers was of far greater significance to a nation’s prosperity than simply more territory. Whether Trumpism will endure and put Canada, Greenland and Lord knows what else on the menu will be for the future to know. 

[paxamericana]

Well certainly nothing is guaranteed. But I think too that the American idea of a government by the people, for the people, of the people will endure. 

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

― Abraham Lincoln

Edited July 25, 2025 by paxamericana