Millions of U.S.-citizen children have undocumented parents and family members.

[Deluge]

Yes, which is why we must take every opportunity available to keep those families together. 

A family that deports together, stays together, and I 100% agree with that notion. 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/us-citizen-children-impacted-immigration-enforcement

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Yes, which is why we must take every opportunity available to keep those families together. 

A family that deports together, stays together, and I 100% agree with that notion. 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/us-citizen-children-impacted-immigration-enforcement

I'm assuming that your point is probably obvious to other Americans who are a little more immersed in the discussion and probably can see exactly where you're going with this. But could you make the issue jump a little higher for those of us who aren't? 

[Deluge]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm assuming that your point is probably obvious to other Americans who are a little more immersed in the discussion and probably can see exactly where you're going with this. But could you make the issue jump a little higher for those of us who aren't? 

Democrats would use that source as an argument to keep familes IN the U.S. but since they don't give a shit about law and order, their objective is to brown the country as much as possible through illegal immigration. 

I am using that source to explain that since it's not legal for illegal aliens to stay here, they should all deport together, to keep the family intact. 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Democrats would use that source as an argument to keep familes IN the U.S. but since they don't give a shit about law and order, their objective is to brown the country as much as possible through illegal immigration. 

I am using that source to explain that since it's not legal for illegal aliens to stay here, they should all deport together, to keep the family intact. 

Ok. 

Kinda feels a little obvious to me, if you're deporting the parents then deport the kids with them unless they have direct american family members that want to be guardians or something. The kids would be allowed back when they're old enough to live on their own i would guess, being American citizens and such. 

So the argument is that you shouldn't deport the family because the child would be left behind? LIke....  that's stupid, even for a democrat.  Of course they'd take the child with them.  what am i missing?

[Aristides]

You can't deport citizens and even if you did there would be nothing to keep them from coming back sometime in the future. BECAUSE THEY ARE CITIZENS.

Edited Sunday at 07:56 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can't deport citizens and even if you did there would be nothing to keep them from coming back sometime in the future. BECAUSE THEY ARE CITIZENS.

Well technically you wouldn't be deporting the kids you would just insist they stay with their family. Which is appropriate, obviously you wouldn't want unaccompanied minors just living in the united states. And who cares if they come back later, the point is to get rid of illegal aliens not citizens. when they're old enough to live on their own by all means, come back and make a life.

[Aristides]

You would be forcing citizens to leave the country.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You would be forcing citizens to leave the country.

You would be forcing children to accompany their parents. You're forcing the parents to leave the country.  Big difference. 

Both we and the americans have ALWAYS forced parents to care for their children and provide the necessaries of life. They can't just leave a kid to starve on it's own, i would think even the most tribal of the dems would have to accept that. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

1. You can't deport citizens

2. and even if you did there would be nothing to keep them from coming back sometime in the future. BECAUSE THEY ARE CITIZENS.

1. You must deport illegal aliens, so it's better to keep the families together in the illegal aliens' home countries. 

2. Only citizens are welcome in the country, so it's best to keep the families together outside of the US. 

[User]

34 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You would be forcing citizens to leave the country.

No, parents would be. 

So... what is your point here?

Do we not arrest bank robbers because they have kids now? Is that a free pass to break the law?

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ok. 

Kinda feels a little obvious to me, if you're deporting the parents then deport the kids with them unless they have direct american family members that want to be guardians or something. The kids would be allowed back when they're old enough to live on their own i would guess, being American citizens and such. 

So the argument is that you shouldn't deport the family because the child would be left behind? LIke....  that's stupid, even for a democrat.  Of course they'd take the child with them.  what am i missing?

It's best to keep the families together, and that means they all must live together outside of the US. 

37 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You would be forcing citizens to leave the country.

You wuld be keeping families togther and still upholding US law. THAT is what is most important. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Deluge said:

It's best to keep the families together, and that means they all must live together outside of the US. 

Again....  "it's best to turn the heat up if you're freezing in your home, it's best to cook food if you don't like it raw, its best to turn the key in the ignition if you want to start the car... "   seems pretty damn obvious. 

You're not punishing the kid or anything, you're just saying to the parents they have a duty of care of the child. I'm just not seeing where there's a controversy?!?

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, User said:

No, parents would be. 

So... what is your point here?

Do we not arrest bank robbers because they have kids now? Is that a free pass to break the law?

My point is you can't deport citizens. The kids don't have to go and if they don't what are you going to do, put citizens in camps for doing nothing more than being citizens?. 

I know MAGAT's don't give a shit about laws that get in their way but this might not be so simple.

[Deluge]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Again....  "it's best to turn the heat up if you're freezing in your home, it's best to cook food if you don't like it raw, its best to turn the key in the ignition if you want to start the car... "   seems pretty damn obvious. 

You're not punishing the kid or anything, you're just saying to the parents they have a duty of care of the child. I'm just not seeing where there's a controversy?!?

The controversy is found with America hating psychopaths, like Aristides. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of law and order. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

My point is you can't deport citizens. The kids don't have to go and if they don't what are you going to do, put citizens in camps for doing nothing more than being citizens?. 

I know MAGAT's don't give a shit about laws that get in their way but this might not be so simple.

OK... I think we all get that you can't deport American citizens. 

Do you really now know what happens when parents abandon their children? Like, OMG, this is the first time in all of American history this would have ever happened, WHAT DO WE DO?!?!?!

 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

My point is you can't deport citizens. The kids don't have to go and if they don't what are you going to do, put citizens in camps for doing nothing more than being citizens?. 

I know MAGAT's don't give a shit about laws that get in their way but this might not be so simple.

Your point is moot. 

Since one or both of the parents are illegal aliens, they all should follow the illegal alien parent as they both, or just the one parent, are legal guardians of the kids. the kids follow their parents. 

You being a law hating a$$hole can't respect US law so you'd rather break laws than keep the families together. 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The controversy is found with America hating psychopaths, like Aristides. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of law and order. 

You are the one that doesn't understand the concept of law and order, or citizenship. I'm not a big fan of birthright citizenship not based on at least one of the parents being a citizen but its the law in  both the US and Canada, it's even in the US constitution. Laws aren't a convenience to be ignored if they get in the way of your agenda, unless you live in a dictatorship.

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

You are the one that doesn't understand the concept of law and order, or citizenship. I'm not a big fan of birthright citizenship not based on at least one of the parents being a citizen but its the law in  both the US and Canada, it's even in the US constitution. Laws aren't a convenience to be ignored if they get in the way of your agenda, unless you live in a dictatorship.

You are the one who doesn't respect immigration law here. 

 

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, User said:

OK... I think we all get that you can't deport American citizens. 

Do you really now know what happens when parents abandon their children? Like, OMG, this is the first time in all of American history this would have ever happened, WHAT DO WE DO?!?!?!

 

They wouldn't be abandoning their children, you would be separating them against their will.

2 minutes ago, User said:

You are the one who doesn't respect immigration law here. 

 

 

You are the one who doesn't respect your own constitution. 

Edited Sunday at 09:58 PM by Aristides

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They wouldn't be abandoning their children, you would be separating them against their will.

No one is stopping them from taking their children with them. 

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You are the one who doesn't respect your own constitution. 

How so?

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

You are the one that doesn't understand the concept of law and order, or citizenship. I'm not a big fan of birthright citizenship not based on at least one of the parents being a citizen but its the law in  both the US and Canada, it's even in the US constitution. Laws aren't a convenience to be ignored if they get in the way of your agenda, unless you live in a dictatorship.

Wrong again.

You are a big fan of anything that keeps illegal aliens in this country. It's why you continue with this absurd argument that minors who are citizens must stay in the US, regardless of their parents being  illegal aliens.

You can't deport the parents and leave the kids here without being a family hating a$$hole. Keep the families together outside of the US, and uphold US law at the same time. It is the right and only thing to do. 

[Aristides]

Personally I would like to get rid of birthright citizenship for people who don't have a parent who is a citizen or landed immigrant but even if we did, it couldn't be made retroactive.

Edited Sunday at 10:09 PM by Aristides

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, User said:

No one is stopping them from taking their children with them. 

 

No, but you can't force them to take their children with them.

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How so?

14th Amendment

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No, but you can't force them to take their children with them.

You said we would be separating them against their will... we would not be. 

That choice is theirs as the parents to make. 

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

14th Amendment

What about it? 

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, User said:

You said we would be separating them against their will... we would not be. 

That choice is theirs as the parents to make. 

What about it? 

It would be the parent's choice, not yours. You would be trying to force them into it. I'll ask again, what are you going to do with the kids if they don't take them? You forced this so they are your responsibility.

Self explanatory.