Margaret Thatcher vs Hillary Rodham Clinton: Glass Ceiling

[August1991]

Whenever anyone asks why women can't get elected, I answer: tell me.

Life is difficult.

It is difficult to get to the top of the slippery slope.

[Legato]

Met Maggie a couple of times when I worked for a computer company that looked after the electronic stuff at 10 Downing Street.

She was one tough lady.

Edited May 20, 2025 by Legato

[John Stone]

Women in any profession need to work twice as hard to get half as far as men in life. 

Generally speaking, although women can manage they can't lead in a universal gender sense. 

Examples of men demonstrating raw leadership goes back eons. 

How odd that women are more critical of female leaders than men. 

 

[August1991]

On 5/20/2025 at 2:10 PM, Legato said:

Met Maggie a couple of times when I worked for a computer company that looked after the electronic stuff at 10 Downing Street.

She was one tough lady.

I met a few men and women at the top of their, uh, ladder.

Chirac was a heavy smoker. Bush Snr was a fake Texan.

 

[August1991]

On 11/2/2025 at 2:09 PM, John Stone said:

Women in any profession need to work twice as hard to get half as far as men in life.

Disagree.

Ask Sydney Sweeney.

[User]

On 11/2/2025 at 11:09 AM, John Stone said:

Women in any profession need to work twice as hard to get half as far as men in life. 

This is absolute BS not supported by any facts. 

 

 

[John Stone]

12 hours ago, User said:

This is absolute BS not supported by any facts. 

....... compromise? 

 

[User]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

....... compromise? 

Nope. 

[herbie]

Britons are too progressive. They weren't so terribly afraid of a female leader they elected an actual miserable old c*nt instead. Twice,,,

[August1991]

On 12/26/2025 at 9:34 PM, herbie said:

Britons are too progressive. They weren't so terribly afraid of a female leader they elected an actual miserable old c*nt instead. Twice,,,

Sorta agree.

Unlike anyone in the Islamic world, the Protestant Britons made a woman their sovereign. 

[herbie]

As if they actually believe a woman Pres would launch the nukes in a PMS fit. They prefer a drooling mental case that's threatened more countries thinking it;s 1938 all over again.

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

As if they actually believe a woman Pres would launch the nukes in a PMS fit. They prefer a drooling mental case that's threatened more countries thinking it;s 1938 all over again.

All you leftists can do is play the race or sex card. 

 

[Barquentine]

On 11/2/2025 at 3:09 PM, John Stone said:

Generally speaking, although women can manage they can't lead in a universal gender sense.

Really? Maybe they prefer to collaborate but where is the proof they can't lead?

[John Stone]

6 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Really? Maybe they prefer to collaborate but where is the proof they can't lead?

................ Kamala Harris. 

[herbie]

OMG make a 2 sentence post and we have a pliw brain so dumb he doesn't know I was talking about people like him!

Thatcher who is celebrated by many as one of the UK's greatest Prime Ministers should also be remembered as a leading example of how Parliamentary Democracy is superior. Her own party dumped her as leader and elected a new one when she got stale. No forcing the citizens to endure x number of years of crap leadership or even endure some stooge running mate. Bing! You're outa here.
None of the gpvt by chickenshit loyalist nonsense.

[August1991]

12 hours ago, John Stone said:

................ Kamala Harris. 

Golda Meir.

[John Stone]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Golda Meir.

Meir was a  plank owner,  a ‘founder’ of the state of Israel.  

To this day, she holds the title of Israeli’s only female Prime Minister.

……. but put that aside for a moment.

What she is remembered for is the Yom Kippur War, 1973, and the blame she bore for Israel being caught with its pants down……. in what many have deemed an existential struggle.

Critics have blamed her for the high Israeli casualties……. and being unprepared for the near disaster. ..... border units had been stood down. 

The war’s surprise and lack of preparation were seen as failures in her leadership.

Golda Meir resigned in 1974 as direct result of Yom Kippur war….. and the people’s perception of her lack of leadership.  

 

FWIW - Margaret Thatcher would have been my choice. 

'the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money  / Thatcher. 

Edited January 13 by John Stone

[August1991]

On 1/13/2026 at 8:16 AM, John Stone said:

...

……. but put that aside for a moment.

....

Do you realise how hard it is to get to the top - and stay there?

It is easy to captain a boat in calm waters.

In a storm, everyone looks to the captain.

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In the storm of the 1930s, Churchill was a good captain.

In  the storm of the 2000s, Bush Jnr was an awful captain.

 

[John Stone]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Do you realise how hard it is to get to the top - and stay there?

It is easy to captain a boat in calm waters.

In a storm, everyone looks to the captain.

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In the storm of the 1930s, Churchill was a good captain.

In  the storm of the 2000s, Bush Jnr was an awful captain.

 

Churchill was arguably the greatest leader of the 20th century. 

For several years it was Great Britain (Dominions a nod)  who stood in defense of the free world. 

There is no doubt that GB was in an existential struggle. 

What is astonishing is how Winston rose to don this mantle. 

........ political rebel, Boer War Vet, Gallipoli campaign disaster, WWI trench rat - survived, war monger, Prime Minister of GB WWII.

The government of the day, pre Churchill, were tilting in favor of negotiating with the Nazi (Lord Halifax)

Churchill defines a leader that leads in times of great National strife. 

.......... he was famous for his quote, 'better to jaw-jaw  than war-war'. 

Ironic then that he was instrumental in the strategy of attacking Russia immediately following WWII. 

............ in the general election immediately following VE day, the electorate threw him out of power. 

Too scary .......... or too realistic in recognizing the threat?

 

 

 

[August1991]

On 1/20/2026 at 8:31 AM, John Stone said:

Churchill was arguably the greatest leader of the 20th century. 

For several years it was Great Britain (Dominions a nod)  who stood in defense of the free world. 

There is no doubt that GB was in an existential struggle. 

What is astonishing is how Winston rose to don this mantle. 

........ political rebel, Boer War Vet, Gallipoli campaign disaster, WWI trench rat - survived, war monger, Prime Minister of GB WWII.

The government of the day, pre Churchill, were tilting in favor of negotiating with the Nazi (Lord Halifax)

Churchill defines a leader that leads in times of great National strife. 

.......... he was famous for his quote, 'better to jaw-jaw  than war-war'. 

Ironic then that he was instrumental in the strategy of attacking Russia immediately following WWII. 

............ in the general election immediately following VE day, the electorate threw him out of power. 

Too scary .......... or too realistic in recognizing the threat?

 

Greatest leader of the 20th century?

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But I agree that it was Great Britain (Churchill) who stood alone.

Stalin had agreed with Hitler. France had fallen. America was not involved.

From 1940 to 1941, Britain was alone.

[August1991]

Yet,

Churchill is one of those Rudyard Kipling nationalists, war-mongers.

He caused the collapse of civilised Europe in Summer 1914.

[John Stone]

Winston Churchill In terms of Leadership is considered by those that study these things to have been the greatest leader of the 20^th century.

Churchill was most def not a ‘manager’ or political hack  – he was in every sense a leader and confirmed this on many occasions throughout his life.

His extraordinary leadership during WWII, eloquent oratory, indomitable spirit, and opposition to defeatism, not only inspired Great Britain and the Dominions but the World as well – at a time when the World needed inspiration.

What other leader, even today, is quoted so often as defining ‘Leadership’ in the face of adversity with the stakes so high and the scale so great?

 It is no exaggeration to say that the Nazi objective was to dominate the Globe – they came close. 

[August1991]

On 2/2/2026 at 8:30 AM, John Stone said:

Winston Churchill In terms of Leadership is considered by those that study these things to have been the greatest leader of the 20^th century.

....

Civilized Europe collapsed in 1914 and Churchill was one of those who contributed to this collapse.

In the future, far in the future, no one will remember World War I or World II. People will only remember that there was bad times between 1914-1945.

Do you remember the details of the Thirty Years War? The Napoleonic Wars?

 

 

[John Stone]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Civilized Europe collapsed in 1914 and Churchill was one of those who contributed to this collapse.

In the future, far in the future, no one will remember World War I or World II. People will only remember that there was bad times between 1914-1945.

Do you remember the details of the Thirty Years War? The Napoleonic Wars?

 

 

Those that don't study history are doomed to repeat it. 

Really it's all p/o the specie' road to self destruction. 

Arguably I suppose we might have been  better off with the Nazi  - they were rumored to keep the trains running on time -there is that.  

[August1991]

On 2/12/2026 at 9:26 AM, John Stone said:

Those that don't study history are doomed to repeat it. 

Really it's all p/o the specie' road to self destruction. 

Arguably I suppose we might have been  better off with the Nazi  - they were rumored to keep the trains running on time -there is that.  

History?

I remember what my mother showed me.