Trump has officially entered the psychotic emperor phase.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Taking a gift from a foreign government and spending $100's of millions of tax dollars so it can be fitted for your personal use and put in a museum in your name when you leave office is not an ego trip. You really have OD'd on the Kool Aid.

 

But it's not his personal use. It's for the use of the current president of the united states. No matter how you like to sing and dance that is the simple truth. It's no different than the current air force one, it's not there for his personal use either.

You twist and turn and wine and cry but at the end of the day you cannot make this his personal property. If he accepts it he will be accepting it to use as president to the united states unless he just accepts it and allows it to sit on a Tarmac somewhere as a gift.

Again your hatred and bigotry blind you. Everything I've said is 100% the truth

[Aristides]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But it's not his personal use. It's for the use of the current president of the united states. No matter how you like to sing and dance that is the simple truth. It's no different than the current air force one, it's not there for his personal use either.

You twist and turn and wine and cry but at the end of the day you cannot make this his personal property. If he accepts it he will be accepting it to use as president to the united states unless he just accepts it and allows it to sit on a Tarmac somewhere as a gift.

Again your hatred and bigotry blind you. Everything I've said is 100% the truth

It is for him to use as president and put in his library when he is out of office. It is a gift to him, personally or at least he thinks it is. If it wasn't, it would continue to be used as AF1 after he left office and any decision to put it  in a presidential library when it is retired would be made by Congress, not a president like he owns the thing.

Everything you have said is just an excuse for Trump's grift.

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It is for him to use as president and put in his library when he is out of office. It is a gift to him, personally or at least he thinks it is. If it wasn't, it would continue to be used as AF1 after he left office and any decision to put it  in a presidential library when it is retired would be made by Congress, not a president like he owns the thing.

Everything you have said is just an excuse for Trump's grift.

So... not his personal use. 

Trump and the White House have repeatedly described this as a gift to the United States of America, not to Trump. 

What grift? Beyond the baseless assertion, what makes this grift. Be specific. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It is for him to use as president and put in his library when he is out of office.

So it's while he's working on the job and then it goes to a GOVERNMENT library after.  Presidents don't get to 'own' their library's, those are owned and run by the state for the benefit of the people. 

So in other words it's no diferent than your job giving you a car to use while you're working, that you have to give back when you quit 

That is NOT a 'personal benefit', 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It is a gift to him, personally or at least he thinks it is.

It is not a gift to him personally and we've been over that 1000 billion times and you still lie. They can not give the plane to him. He cannot and will not own it. They are clearly trying to win favour with him but it is not a gift TO him and he's well aware of that and has acknowledged he can't accept it personally. 

Dude if you have to lie to make your point then you don't have a good point. 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

If it wasn't, it would continue to be used as AF1 after he left

Not at all. Sorry but that's just not true.  And a better plane will become available shortly after he's gone. Theoretically, unless there's even MORE delays. 

And who knows, he may very well allow this plane to continue to serve and put it in the museum after the new plane is ready. If he doesn't well that's his choice as president. 

I get that you WANT DESPERATELY for this to be 'wrong' and 'evil'. But Presidents have accepted gifts worth a lot of money from foreign gov'ts for ages. They can't keep them but they can and have used them and benefitted from their use.

It's fine to say you think it's a bad decision, i would guess that if you were being honest that EVERY president makes some decisions you think are not good decisions. 

But painting it as some sort of morally corrupt or lawfully questionable thing is stupid, and you constantly have to lie to try to shoehorn it into that pigeon hole and it just doesn't fit. 

 

[Aristides]

If it is just for his use as president to be put on display when he leaves office, it is for his personal use and the hundreds of millions spent on it to bring it up to AF1 standard will be wasted. If it is to be used by future presidents there may be a justification for it. If Boeing is having trouble sourcing some of the components required to complete the two new ones, why would it be any easier to get them for this aircraft? There is no guarantee the conversion of this one will be finished by the time he leaves office. What then?

If the aircraft is really owned by the airforce it isn't his choice to take it with him, it belongs to the people of the US. You keep saying it doesn't belong to him and then you say he can do what he wants with it. Make up your f*cking mind.

Maybe JT should have been able to take the new exec A330 when he left office. What's the difference?

Edited Wednesday at 09:51 PM by Aristides

[User]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If it is just for his use as president to be put on display when he leaves office, it is for his personal use

Nope. Just because you assert it over and over again doesn't make it true. 

Personal use would be his kids taking it to go on a Ski Trip for the weekend, or him using it to fly around some friends... 

It is for his official use in the capacity as President. That is not personal use, just because it is only during his time as President. 

 

[Aristides]

Airforce 1 is a US Airforce aircraft to be used by the sitting president. That is why it is called Airforce 1 and not President 1 or Trump 1.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Airforce 1 is a US Airforce aircraft to be used by the sitting president. That is why it is called Airforce 1 and not President 1 or Trump 1.

Did you have a point here? 
 

 

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Did you have a point here? 
 

 

Yes, it is an airforce aircraft for use by a sitting president, he doesn't get to decide its future. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

If it is just for his use as president to be put on display when he leaves office, it is for his personal use and the hundreds of millions spent on it to bring it up to AF1 standard will be wasted.

Sigh. No, it is for the use of the president  of the united states. It is not for his 'personal use'. 

Sorry but repeating a lie endlessly will not make it true. 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Airforce 1 is a US Airforce aircraft to be used by the sitting president.

No.  Air force 1 is whatever plane the president is on.  It's a call sign. 

I've posted this already in this thread.  While they usually set aside one plane as being the plane the president uses the most the fact is ANY plane is air force 1 if its' got the president on board. 

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yes, it is an airforce aircraft for use by a sitting president, he doesn't get to decide its future. 

No, it's just the name of the plane he's on.  And absolutely ALL presidents get to decide the future of such assets.  A president signed off on the creation of the plane being developed by boeing right now,  regan decided to send a previous 'air force 1" to his museum, etc etc. 

Dude.  Quit lying.  It makes you look horrible and makes trump look more reasonable.

Like i said you can say you don't think it's worth the money and others can say they do just like any gov't policy but it is not 'for his personal use' nor is it a 'personal benefit' to him.  Lying wont' change that. 

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sigh. No, it is for the use of the president  of the united states. It is not for his 'personal use'. 

Sorry but repeating a lie endlessly will not make it true. 

 

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No.  Air force 1 is whatever plane the president is on.  It's a call sign. 

I've posted this already in this thread.  While they usually set aside one plane as being the plane the president uses the most the fact is ANY plane is air force 1 if its' got the president on board. 

No, it's just the name of the plane he's on.  And absolutely ALL presidents get to decide the future of such assets.  A president signed off on the creation of the plane being developed by boeing right now,  regan decided to send a previous 'air force 1" to his museum, etc etc. 

Dude.  Quit lying.  It makes you look horrible and makes trump look more reasonable.

Like i said you can say you don't think it's worth the money and others can say they do just like any gov't policy but it is not 'for his personal use' nor is it a 'personal benefit' to him.  Lying wont' change that. 

It is a callsign, used by the USAF for its aircraft the president is on. No they do not get to decide the future of assets. The Statue of Liberty was also a gift to the US from a foreign country, why shouldn't a president be able to claim that for their library? There is no difference.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

It is a callsign, used by the USAF for its aircraft the president is on.

Glad you're finally keeping up  

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No they do not get to decide the future of assets.

Sure they do. 

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The Statue of Liberty was also a gift to the US from a foreign country, why shouldn't a president be able to claim that for their library? There is no difference.

And absolutely he could have.  Or had it scrapped. Or refused it, which is apperently what YOU think gov'ts should do.   The fact he didn't does not mean he couldn't.  

What he COULDN"T do would have been  to keep it for himself and his exclusive use. And the same is true of trump. 

ANd if trump DOES have it moved to a museum, which is what a presidential library is, then people will be able to visit it as a tourist attraction. How is that any different?

All you're doing is proving my point. 

[User]

45 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yes, it is an airforce aircraft for use by a sitting president, he doesn't get to decide its future. 

Decide its future… how?

it certainly appears the future for going to Trump Library has been decided. 

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Glad you're finally keeping up  

Sure they do. 

And absolutely he could have.  Or had it scrapped. Or refused it, which is apperently what YOU think gov'ts should do.   The fact he didn't does not mean he couldn't.  

What he COULDN"T do would have been  to keep it for himself and his exclusive use. And the same is true of trump. 

ANd if trump DOES have it moved to a museum, which is what a presidential library is, then people will be able to visit it as a tourist attraction. How is that any different?

All you're doing is proving my point. 

Finally glad you are admitting that you just want Trump as a dictator. The difference is the people didn't spend 100's of millions just to convert an aircraft to become a museum piece to glorify one man. The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between public and private  property while when it comes to Trump there is no difference in your mind. Ethical behaviour is just woke to the Trump Cult.

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, User said:

Decide its future… how?

it certainly appears the future for going to Trump Library has been decided. 

So the US taxpayer is going to pony up close to a billion dollars for a fixture at Trump's library. And you Id*ots have the nerve to point at others wasting public money. What a bunch of effing hypocrites.

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

So the US taxpayer is going to pony up close to a billion dollars for a fixture at Trump's library. And you Id*ots have the nerve to point at others wasting public money. What a bunch of effing hypocrites.

Well, this is a different argument now. You are like someone drowning just flailing around. I have already made my position here on this point known. 

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, User said:

Well, this is a different argument now. You are like someone drowning just flailing around. I have already made my position here on this point known. 

It's always been my argument, it's just money that's going to be pissed up against a wall for Trump's ego. I really don't care what he does with it but he accepted it with consulting anyone as to its feasibility  so it's his problem. This is all about him.

 

Edited Thursday at 12:20 AM by Aristides

[User]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's always been my argument, it's just money that's going to be pissed up against a wall for Trump's ego. I really don't care what he does with it but he accepted it with consulting anyone as to its feasibility  so it's his problem. This is all about him.

 

No, you continued to push the whole "personal" and "personal use" crap which I have repeatedly refuted. Then you switched back to this one. 

[Aristides]

20 minutes ago, User said:

No, you continued to push the whole "personal" and "personal use" crap which I have repeatedly refuted. Then you switched back to this one. 

It is for his personal use. He uses it while he is president and it goes with him when he leaves. Whether he uses it as an aircraft or just a fixture at his library is irrelevant. It's for him. It sure as hell isn't for the country.

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

It is for his personal use. He uses it while he is president and it goes with him when he leaves. Whether he uses it as an aircraft or just a fixture at his library is irrelevant. It's for him. It sure as hell isn't for the country.

And here we go again... 

Nowhere did you describe how it was for his personal use. 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, User said:

And here we go again... 

Nowhere did you describe how it was for his personal use. 

Fine, it's your  tax money. The Great Leader needs a new plane for his museum. The Great Leader must have what he wants. Says his cult.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Fine, it's your  tax money. The Great Leader needs a new plane for his museum. The Great Leader must have what he wants. Says his cult.

So, back to the tax money argument again. Once again, I already made my position known on this. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Finally glad you are admitting that you just want Trump as a dictator.

do you ever notice that when you're wrong your lies become more and more desperate?

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The difference is the people didn't spend 100's of millions just to convert an aircraft to become a museum piece to glorify one man

The US has spent billions in the past to glorify one man. Many presidents of embarked on programs spent money on things that they felt personally made them look good or satisfied a personal interest. Examples have been given.

And presidnets have been given hugely expensive gifts. Clinton got this from azerbajani (sp?) 

How is that NOT a 'vanity' piece? 

Every single president gets presented with gifts. It's a tradition going back long before the US even existed. 

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The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between public and private  property

LOLOLOL NO you DON'T!!1  

You've had to have this explained to you a dozen times by different people !!! And you're STILL screwing it up!!!  

 

Sorry kid, your hatred and bigotry has blinded you to the simple truth. There's nothing particularly unusual about this,  it is NOT a personal benefit to trump.  Lie all you want,  that is the truth and the experts have even ruled on it. 

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Fine, it's your  tax money. The Great Leader needs a new plane for his museum. The Great Leader must have what he wants. Says his cult.

The plane is free.  The cost is only if he wants to use it as his presidential plane. 

ALL presidents have a presidential plane. 

Nice try buttercup  

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

do you ever notice that when you're wrong your lies become more and more desperate?

The US has spent billions in the past to glorify one man. Many presidents of embarked on programs spent money on things that they felt personally made them look good or satisfied a personal interest. Examples have been given.

And presidnets have been given hugely expensive gifts. Clinton got this from azerbajani (sp?) 

How is that NOT a 'vanity' piece? 

Every single president gets presented with gifts. It's a tradition going back long before the US even existed. 

LOLOLOL NO you DON'T!!1  

You've had to have this explained to you a dozen times by different people !!! And you're STILL screwing it up!!!  

 

Sorry kid, your hatred and bigotry has blinded you to the simple truth. There's nothing particularly unusual about this,  it is NOT a personal benefit to trump.  Lie all you want,  that is the truth and the experts have even ruled on it. 

The plane is free.  The cost is only if he wants to use it as his presidential plane. 

ALL presidents have a presidential plane. 

Nice try buttercup  

It will take years and close to a billion dollars to get that aircraft up to AF1 standards. Then you think it is fine to just stick it Orange Man's museum. Then it will take millions more to get it to Orange Man's museum, unless they build it at an airport .You are a pathetic joke.

 

Do you really think this makes Trump look good to anyone but his cult?

 

Edited Thursday at 01:16 AM by Aristides