John Tory- The Next Premier of ontario?

[SamStranger]

Ontario is smart when it comes to provincial politics. The NDP and Bob Rae screwed us up from 1990-1995, and thats why they only have 8 seats now The PC under Mike Harris was Great, then Good, then Okay and then when Eeves came in it went to hell. and thats why they only have under 30 seats now

Ontario was right for giving the Liberals a Majority (I admit that, even though i am a Conservative) We had to give the PC party a rest, to regroup. Dalton Mguinty is a goddamn liar, broke every single election promise. Theirs no way in hell Ontario is stupid enough to let him back in next election. So whos turn is it? Hampton and the NDP? or Tory and the PC? Will Ontario forget Bob Rae? Will Ontario remember Mike Harris?

Who will be Ontarios next premier?

[Temagami Scourge]

Sam:

I'm no liberal, conservative or NDP'er, but Harris was great? Are you kidding? the man left us saddled with a highway run by a thrid party for 99 years, and people hate it. his actions led to the death of Ontarians like Dudley George. He had the names of "welfare abusers" posted in the media until people found out that male ex-boyfriends and husbands were making false claims against their exes in an attempt to hold them hostage.

but his best legacy is, instead of spending a few shekels to keep kids occupied at after-school programming, he cut it all, and now those mischevious 8 and 9-year olds are in their young twenties and running around the GTA with guns and being involved in gangs.

Why are they in gangs? It was easier to recruit them when no one else gave a crap about them after being turned out of a defunct after-school program.

Thank's Mike.

The fact is, no one is fit to lead. Unless mcGuinty absolutely shoots himself in the foot, he'll win again by a majority, in the same way everyone expected Harris to lose the second time around. That is how Ontario votes.

[geoffrey]

Harris was a great Premier, followed Klein step by step.

Just never turned out as successful.

We should post the names of welfare abusers in the paper once they've been found out, thats actually a brilliant idea. Nothing like a little public embarassment to stop the leeching on our society.

Harris was also a leader, controversially, in my opinion on Indian claims. Didn't deal with illegal trespassing or Indians destroying local economies like McGuinty is now. This is a good step, if your Premier isn't willing to stand up for law and order, you've got nothing.

I can't imagine Dalton is a very popular guy in Ontario right now, raising taxes, having Indians blocking roadways starving a town, increasing spending. I don't know who's going to replace him, but I can tell you he'd be unlikely to get another term.

[Shakeyhands]

Harris was a great Premier, followed Klein step by step.

Just never turned out as successful.

We should post the names of welfare abusers in the paper once they've been found out, thats actually a brilliant idea. Nothing like a little public embarassment to stop the leeching on our society.

Harris was also a leader, controversially, in my opinion on Indian claims. Didn't deal with illegal trespassing or Indians destroying local economies like McGuinty is now. This is a good step, if your Premier isn't willing to stand up for law and order, you've got nothing.

I can't imagine Dalton is a very popular guy in Ontario right now, raising taxes, having Indians blocking roadways starving a town, increasing spending. I don't know who's going to replace him, but I can tell you he'd be unlikely to get another term.

Possibly because Harris didn't have O-I-L? Listen, a drunken monkey could run Alberta at a surplus... Oh... wait...

McGuinty came into to a inherit a province that had been run far worse financially then the auditors had assesed. He is doing what needs to be done, short term pain for gain, if the populace doesn't take him back, because of what he HAD to do... then so be it. That, my friend... is a leader.

[geoffrey]

If I saw direction in McGuinty, then maybe.

If you recall, thats what Ralph did early 90's. Short-term pain, long term gain.

The difference? Ralph cut taxes and social spending. McGuinty increased both. You wont' fix an economy with more spending, no matter how you cut it. Ontario will continue to suffer until its taxes are as low as Albertas.

We are syphoning off your head offices day by day, and to stop this, or at least balance it out, Ontario needs to be more competitive.

[SamStranger]

2 VERY important things are being left out here:

1) Dalton Mcguinty has broken 99% of his campaign promisies, litterally. Everything he said in the debates is now complete bull.

2) Mike Harris is the only premiere EVER, OF ALL TIME to lower Income Taxes! I can see John Tory following in his footsteps.

[No truth]

My favorite thing about Harris winning was how good it looked on the Unions. After doing his best to govern the province, Bob Rae was stabbed in the back by big labour (sound familiar, Mr. Layton?), and thanks to their own lack of support for their party, big labour got Harris, their worst nightmare. And they had only themselves to blame.

Look, it was time for a change, and we've had one. Now it's time for Ontario to do the right thing, and bring the Tories back for another 10 years. Every time we elect someone else, it just helps to reinforce why we keep voting in the Tories.

[scribblet]

Ontario is smart when it comes to provincial politics. The NDP and Bob Rae screwed us up from 1990-1995, and thats why they only have 8 seats now The PC under Mike Harris was Great, then Good, then Okay and then when Eeves came in it went to hell. and thats why they only have under 30 seats now

Ontario was right for giving the Liberals a Majority (I admit that, even though i am a Conservative) We had to give the PC party a rest, to regroup. Dalton Mguinty is a goddamn liar, broke every single election promise. Theirs no way in hell Ontario is stupid enough to let him back in next election. So whos turn is it? Hampton and the NDP? or Tory and the PC? Will Ontario forget Bob Rae? Will Ontario remember Mike Harris?

Who will be Ontarios next premier?

I'm with you on your assessment of Harris and Eves, Harris started out great, kept promises, then became mediocre. Not much of a choice really these days, McGuinty is a d.....d liar, but I don't see John Tory as being really conservative. Howard Hampton is no choice, I think the NDP need a new leader there.

[cybercoma]

TORY'S TORIES!!!

[BHS]

Ontario is smart when it comes to provincial politics. The NDP and Bob Rae screwed us up from 1990-1995, and thats why they only have 8 seats now The PC under Mike Harris was Great, then Good, then Okay and then when Eeves came in it went to hell. and thats why they only have under 30 seats now

Ontario was right for giving the Liberals a Majority (I admit that, even though i am a Conservative) We had to give the PC party a rest, to regroup. Dalton Mguinty is a goddamn liar, broke every single election promise. Theirs no way in hell Ontario is stupid enough to let him back in next election. So whos turn is it? Hampton and the NDP? or Tory and the PC? Will Ontario forget Bob Rae? Will Ontario remember Mike Harris?

Who will be Ontarios next premier?

I mentioned my reasons for voting for McGuinty as opposed to Eves on another thread this morning, and I mentioned that for me it wasn't enough that the Conservatives under John Tory merely accuse the McGuinty Liberals of breaking their promises. But I didn't go any further than that mention.

So, why should it be important, to a conservative voter, that a Liberal government keep it's promises? Wouldn't that necessarily involve enacting laws that and regulations that are contrary to the conservative agenda?

(maybe not the best) Example: conservative supporter of Mulroney supports his decision to shuffle the taxes and introduce the GST. Said supporter then bitterly complains about Liberal platform promise to get rid of the GST if elected, noting that the new tax system is more open, etc., etc. Does it make sense, in other than purely partisan terms, to complain a couple of years later that the Liberals haven't kept their promise to revoke the GST?

[BHS]

Sam:

I'm no liberal, conservative or NDP'er, but Harris was great? Are you kidding? the man left us saddled with a highway run by a thrid party for 99 years, and people hate it. his actions led to the death of Ontarians like Dudley George. He had the names of "welfare abusers" posted in the media until people found out that male ex-boyfriends and husbands were making false claims against their exes in an attempt to hold them hostage.

but his best legacy is, instead of spending a few shekels to keep kids occupied at after-school programming, he cut it all, and now those mischevious 8 and 9-year olds are in their young twenties and running around the GTA with guns and being involved in gangs.

Why are they in gangs? It was easier to recruit them when no one else gave a crap about them after being turned out of a defunct after-school program.

Thank's Mike.

The fact is, no one is fit to lead. Unless mcGuinty absolutely shoots himself in the foot, he'll win again by a majority, in the same way everyone expected Harris to lose the second time around. That is how Ontario votes.

1) I've never, ever heard anyone mention the 407 in negative terms. Except for you. It's not an issue.

2) Blaming gang violence in Toronto on a dearth of afterschool programs that affected the entire Province is ridiculous, unless there was a sudden upswing in shootings in Temagami that I didn't hear about. Hell, blaming gang violence on any one cause is ridiculous. You might as well say it's a lack of proper nutrition in their diets.

[apollo19]

I mentioned my reasons for voting for McGuinty as opposed to Eves on another thread this morning, and I mentioned that for me it wasn't enough that the Conservatives under John Tory merely accuse the McGuinty Liberals of breaking their promises. But I didn't go any further than that mention.

So, why should it be important, to a conservative voter, that a Liberal government keep it's promises? Wouldn't that necessarily involve enacting laws that and regulations that are contrary to the conservative agenda?

(maybe not the best) Example: conservative supporter of Mulroney supports his decision to shuffle the taxes and introduce the GST. Said supporter then bitterly complains about Liberal platform promise to get rid of the GST if elected, noting that the new tax system is more open, etc., etc. Does it make sense, in other than purely partisan terms, to complain a couple of years later that the Liberals haven't kept their promise to revoke the GST?

I agree with you here, and would point out to Tory (the person) supporters that he is very likely more liberal than McGuinty. McGuinty has done a competent job so far, and I will vote for him if he continues to do so. He's doing the job noone else would dare in a business environment -- charging people more for less. One of the bad things about McGuinty though is that he is using the deficit for political reasons -- blaming it on the previous government in order to get votes. Getting back to Tory -- he has laid out no policies so far, he has just complained about McGuinty not keeping his promises. That suggests that Tory is a puppet who will do whatever someone writes on his cheque, similar in a way to Belinda Stronach.

[Josh]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think Dalton McGuinty will win one more term- however, I think he will be reduced to a minority government. I don't think Ontario is ready to go back to the PC's, but John Tory will be able to point out all of McGuinty's lies and use them to his advantage.

To me, it's the fact of how they turned around our finances after the defecit that Dalton loves to talk about. I will be voting PC, and, lucky for me, my University is right in Dalton's riding of Ottawa South, but sadly, I say he remains premier.