blackbird Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) There is something called the caretaker convention which means Mark Carney should not be doing anything until he has the confidence of the Parliament of Canada. He doesn't even hold a position as an elected member of Parliament. Yet he is flying overseas to represent Canada on the world stage, at taxpayer expense, at important international meetings and doing other things that only a Prime Minister who has the confidence of Parliament and the Canadian people should be doing. " Mark Carney may now be Canada’s 24th prime minister, but the unique circumstances of his appointment mean that he technically shouldn’t be allowed to do anything. No appointments. No new spending or taxes. No foreign policy commitments. Nothing at all that isn’t “routine,” “non-controversial” and “reversible.” It’s all part of the “caretaker convention,” a longstanding parliamentary tradition which holds that until a prime minister is able to “command the confidence of the House of Commons,” he’s not allowed to wield the full powers of his office. In fact, he’s not supposed to do almost any of the things Canadians typically associate with their prime minister. “Avoid participating in high-profile government-related domestic and international events,” reads an official Privy Council guide to the caretaker convention. It adds that this includes “international visits, and the signing of treaties and agreements.” Caretaker prime ministers are also asked to steer clear of “appointments,” “policy decisions,” “new spending,” “negotiations or consultations,” “non-routine contracts,” and “grants and contributions.” FIRST READING: Mark Carney's not really supposed to be doing anything He is acting as if he has the confidence of Parliament and Canadians though there is nothing to prove that. But that is just the ideology of Liberals for you. Liberals assume they are the natural governing party and don't really need to be elected and hold the confidence of Parliament. Edited March 17 by blackbird Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 50 minutes ago, blackbird said: There is something called the caretaker convention which means Mark Carney should not be doing anything until he has the confidence of the Parliament of Canada. He doesn't even hold a position as an elected member of Parliament. Yet he is flying overseas to represent Canada on the world stage, at taxpayer expense, at important international meetings and doing other things that only a Prime Minister who has the confidence of Parliament and the Canadian people should be doing. " Mark Carney may now be Canada’s 24th prime minister, but the unique circumstances of his appointment mean that he technically shouldn’t be allowed to do anything. No appointments. No new spending or taxes. No foreign policy commitments. Nothing at all that isn’t “routine,” “non-controversial” and “reversible.” It’s all part of the “caretaker convention,” a longstanding parliamentary tradition which holds that until a prime minister is able to “command the confidence of the House of Commons,” he’s not allowed to wield the full powers of his office. In fact, he’s not supposed to do almost any of the things Canadians typically associate with their prime minister. “Avoid participating in high-profile government-related domestic and international events,” reads an official Privy Council guide to the caretaker convention. It adds that this includes “international visits, and the signing of treaties and agreements.” Caretaker prime ministers are also asked to steer clear of “appointments,” “policy decisions,” “new spending,” “negotiations or consultations,” “non-routine contracts,” and “grants and contributions.” FIRST READING: Mark Carney's not really supposed to be doing anything He is acting as if he has the confidence of Parliament and Canadians though there is nothing to prove that. But that is just the ideology of Liberals for you. Liberals assume they are the natural governing party and don't really need to be elected and hold the confidence of Parliament. BS!!! Again Caretaker Convention is only applicable during elections. "Following the dissolution of Parliament for an election, however, there is no elected chamber to confer confidence on the Government" "caretaker period begins when either the Government loses a vote of non-confidence or Parliament has been dissolved " https://www.canada.ca/en/privy-council/services/publications/guidelines-conduct-ministers-state-exempt-staff-public-servants-election.html Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackbird said: caretaker convention Why would this apply? We’re not in an election. It also doesn’t mean a complete cessation of governance. Why do you want Trump to have his way with Canada? Just so the Libs could look bad? No one in that ridiculous opinion piece you copied is an expert on governance except the last line of the article. And that expert didn’t say anything about caretaker convention. https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/corporate/transparency/transition-binders/2019-federal-election.html Caretaker convention is during ELECTIONS. Says so in b&w. Edited March 17 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: No one in that ridiculous opinion piece you copied is an expert on governance So you are the expert? I think the convention of caretaker governance makes more sense. If he hasn't been elected yet, why should he be acting as if he has a mandate? He doesn't have any mandate to represent Canada on the world stage. Edited March 17 by blackbird Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 12 minutes ago, blackbird said: So you are the expert? I linked to the convention and I read it. Did you read it? Where does it apply to anything other than an election? 13 minutes ago, blackbird said: If he hasn't been elected yet, why should he be acting as if he has a mandate? You don’t understand how our system of government works. The PM doesn’t need to be elected. It may be untenable politically to remain that way, but that’s a different issue. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: The PM doesn’t need to be elected. He certainly does need to be elected. Carney doesn't even hold a seat in the House of Commons. He hasn't been elected and reportedly he might call an election within the next week. Right now, we don't even have a Parliament that can sit because the Liberals have lost the confidence of the members of Parliament although that hasn't been stated by an official vote yet. Everyone knows that the Liberals do not have the confidence of the Parliament. So Carney does not have the confidence yet to be acting in any significant role as PM. That's how the system works. Quote
blackbird Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: I linked to the convention and I read it. Did you read it? Where does it apply to anything other than an election? The situation at present is Carney is a tentative PM chosen by the Liberal Party. He has no mandate to make any significant decisions or take major roles because he and his party has not yet been elected with the new PM and they are only in a minority position in Parliament. In fact, all indications are that the Liberals will lose a confidence motion if Parliament is recalled. Therefore he does not have a mandate from the Canadian people to do anything of any significance. That means he is restricted to act as a caretaker PM and an election must be called ASAP so Canadians will have a government with a real mandate. It is really simple. If he does anything major before an election, he will be seen as overstepping his authority. Edited March 17 by blackbird Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) 43 minutes ago, blackbird said: The situation at present is Carney is a tentative PM chosen by the Liberal Party. He has no mandate to make any significant decisions or take major roles because he and his party has not yet been elected with the new PM and they are only in a minority position in Parliament. In fact, all indications are that the Liberals will lose a confidence motion if Parliament is recalled. Therefore he does not have a mandate from the Canadian people to do anything of any significance. That means he is restricted to act as a caretaker PM and an election must be called ASAP so Canadians will have a government with a real mandate. It is really simple. If he does anything major before an election, he will be seen as overstepping his authority. Bottom line is your opinion isn't worth shit. You made a claim and did not know what you were talking about. You have no facts, just BS. As I said before, your BS is backing up in your bowels and gone to your head turning your blue eyes brown. You make shit up and think most will gloss it over. You have become the bible thumpin confox. Edited March 17 by ExFlyer 1 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 52 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: I linked to the convention and I read it. Did you read it? Where does it apply to anything other than an election? Normally it would apply during an election, but we are in different situation now. In a normal election, the sitting government would have a PM and party that was elected and the PM would hold a seat in Parliament. We are not in that kind of situation now. Trudeau resigned and the party chose a new leader. So that means the Liberals with their new PM do not have a mandate to act the same as a government which has a PM that won a mandate in an election. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, blackbird said: Normally it would apply during an election, but we are in different situation now. In a normal election, the sitting government would have a PM and party that was elected and the PM would hold a seat in Parliament. We are not in that kind of situation now. Trudeau resigned and the party chose a new leader. So that means the Liberals with their new PM do not have a mandate to act the same as a government which has a PM that won a mandate in an election. It can only apply during an election. Oh yes, the PM is the real PM ...until an election is held. Can you try any harder to be stupider??? LOL Suck it up, you were wrong and you failed...EPICALLY !! 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, blackbird said: Normally it would apply during an election, but we are in different situation now. No, you can’t just apply something that happens in elections to some other situation just because you don’t like the governing party. I guess you could say that you’d like it to apply, but then, why should we care what you or some op-ed thinks? 24 minutes ago, blackbird said: Liberals with their new PM do not have a mandate to act the same as a government which has a PM that won a mandate in an election. That’s a political question. We will have an opportunity to select MPs soon enough. To say the new PM shouldn’t govern at all is asinine. Why do you want Trump to win this fight with Canada? 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: To say the new PM shouldn’t govern at all is asinine. I never said he shouldn't govern at all. He just should not be doing any major things until after an election. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 39 minutes ago, blackbird said: I never said he shouldn't govern at all. He just should not be doing any major things until after an election. What is he doing that he shouldn’t be? Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: What is he doing that he shouldn’t be? He is going to Europe to meetings with heads of state. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 38 minutes ago, blackbird said: He is going to Europe to meetings with heads of state. Why shouldn’t he go to Europe? Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 47 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Why shouldn’t he go to Europe? Because he is has no mandate to represent Canada as a PM. He should have called an election as soon as he became leader of the Liberal party. He is going to Europe to bolster his image. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Because he is has no mandate to represent Canada as a PM. He should have called an election as soon as he became leader of the Liberal party. He is going to Europe to bolster his image. He is the Prime Minister of the Canada. That’s all he needs to represent Canada. The fact that you don’t like it is not relevant. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 9 hours ago, TreeBeard said: The fact that you don’t like it is not relevant. The fact you don't accept he has no mandate is not relevant. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, blackbird said: The fact you don't accept he has no mandate is not relevant. The fact is he has all the mandate and authority and power ads any other PM Suck it up. You hate it and no one cares what you like or dislike LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, blackbird said: The fact you don't accept he has no mandate is not relevant. I agree he has no “mandate”. But that doesn’t mean he can’t do whatever Prime Ministers need to do to govern. Not having a mandate is not a hinderance to his legal authority. Not having a mandate has no force in law and is a made up term. It’s a political term, unlike “caretaker period” which has particular rules/conventions around when and how it happens. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: I agree he has no “mandate”. But that doesn’t mean he can’t do whatever Prime Ministers need to do to govern. Not having a mandate is not a hinderance to his legal authority. Not having a mandate has no force in law and is a made up term. It’s a political term, unlike “caretaker period” which has particular rules/conventions around when and how it happens. The problem is he is doing what Carney wants to do to try to get elected, not representing the interests of Canadians. His one goal now is to become the new PM. Therefore everything he does must be geared to achieve that goal. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 30 minutes ago, blackbird said: The problem is he is doing what Carney wants to do to try to get elected, not representing the interests of Canadians. His one goal now is to become the new PM. Therefore everything he does must be geared to achieve that goal. Why do you want Trump to win? You would rather Trump win than Carney win. Carney is the Canadian leader here. You should be on Canada’s side. Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Why do you want Trump to win? You would rather Trump win than Carney win. Carney is the Canadian leader here. You should be on Canada’s side. 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Why do you want Trump to win? You would rather Trump win than Carney win. Carney is the Canadian leader here. You should be on Canada’s side. You are nuts. This has nothing to do with Trump. Can't you find something more intellectual to contribute to the forum? Same old worn out smears and lies. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, blackbird said: You are nuts. This has nothing to do with Trump. Can't you find something more intellectual to contribute to the forum? Same old worn out smears and lies. Carney is PM. He can, and should, go talk to European leaders. It upsets you because you seem to hate the Libs more than you like your own country. Quote
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