Radiorum Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 Trump is installing what scholars call patrimonialism. His mass firings, defiance of laws, disregarding the plain language of statues, court rulings, and the Constitution, antagonizing allies, incursion into the arts (naming himself the chair of the Kennedy Centre) all support this idea. As he installs patrimonialism, Trump sees the state as “little more than (his) extended household” … the state does “not exist as a separate entity.” Rather, he is running it as if it were his personal property or family business. When he declares “He who saves the Country does not violate any Law.” – he is claiming to be the symbolic father of the people - or according to Tucker Carlson “Daddy” (who should give the country a vigorous spanking) – the state’s personification and protector – a hallmark of patrimonialism. Patrimonialism infects government by replacing impersonal, formal lines of authority with personalized, informal ones, like announcing out of nowhere the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico, or a U.S. occupation of Gaza, or having your number-two man (an unelected billionaire) send out an email to thousands of federal employees asking them what they did last week and a failure to respond would be taken as a resignation. Patrimonialism may transition to full-blown authoritarianism. “…as patrimonialism snips the government’s procedural tendons, it weakens and eventually cripples the state … Electoral processes and constitutional norms cannot survive long when patrimonial legitimacy begins to dominate the political arena…” Patrimonialism is based on individual loyalty and connections, on rewarding friends and punishing enemies. As one prominent Republican said of Trump, “If you’re his friend, he’s your friend. If you’re not his friend, he’s not your friend.” The main ruling principle of patrimonialism is: “Stay on the ruler’s good side, or else.” Trump is even spearheading a purge of prosecutors who investigated January 6 for no other reason than they did their job. Trump is patrimonialism’s “perfect organism.” He recognizes no distinction between what is public and private, legal and illegal, formal and informal, national and personal. “He can’t tell the difference between his own personal interest and the national interest, if he even understands what the national interest is,” John Bolton, who served as national security adviser in Trump’s first term, told The Bulwark. The question now is: How long will the American people allow Trump to run the country according to his arbitrary whims, for no other reason than to exploit it for his own political, personal and financial gain? 1 Quote
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 25 minutes ago, Radiorum said: The question now is: How long will the American people allow Trump to run the country according to his arbitrary whims, for no other reason than to exploit it for his own political, personal and financial gain? Well, his term runs for 4 years. Then hopefully we get 8 years of Vance. Once again, you prove yourself unfamiliar with the basics of American politics. Quote
Legato Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 So in much simpler terms, Trump is following up on his election promises, you know, the ones that got him elected. Most Legumes are good for indigestion. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 51 minutes ago, Legato said: So in much simpler terms, Trump is following up on his election promises, you know, the ones that got him elected. Most Legumes are good for indigestion. WRONG. Trump said over and over again that he knew nothing about Project 2025, and now he's appointed it's authors to positions of authority and following the written plans almost verbatim. IOW YOU'RE LYING, TROLL 1 Quote
Legato Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: WRONG. Trump said over and over again that he knew nothing about Project 2025, and now he's appointed it's authors to positions of authority and following the written plans almost verbatim. IOW YOU'RE LYING, TROLL Pure speculation. Does that come with a warning label? Quote
robosmith Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, Legato said: Pure speculation. Does that come with a warning label? Just cause FOS LIES never told you about what Trump said or did, doesn't mean it's any kind of speculation. It just exposes YOUR IGNORANCE of common knowledge which is typical of FOS LIES viewers. WATCH: 'I have nothing to do with Project 2025,' Trump says YouTube · PBS NewsHour 36.1K+ views · 5 months ago Former President Donald Trump denied any connection to Project 2025, the handbook for a new conservative government written by the Heritage ... Former President Trump: 'I have nothing to do with Project ... YouTube · CNBC Television 39.7K+ views · 5 months ago A detailed and dangerous Plan called project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again. Fact checking Trump's connections to Project 2025 YouTube · CBS News 31.8K+ views · 6 months ago Donald Trump's campaign is actively distancing itself from Project 2025, but CBS News' data journalism team found more than a third of ... Quote
Legato Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Just cause FOS LIES never told you about what Trump said or did, doesn't mean it's any kind of speculation. It just exposes YOUR IGNORANCE of common knowledge which is typical of FOS LIES viewers. WATCH: 'I have nothing to do with Project 2025,' Trump says YouTube · PBS NewsHour 36.1K+ views · 5 months ago Former President Donald Trump denied any connection to Project 2025, the handbook for a new conservative government written by the Heritage ... Former President Trump: 'I have nothing to do with Project ... YouTube · CNBC Television 39.7K+ views · 5 months ago A detailed and dangerous Plan called project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again. Fact checking Trump's connections to Project 2025 YouTube · CBS News 31.8K+ views · 6 months ago Donald Trump's campaign is actively distancing itself from Project 2025, but CBS News' data journalism team found more than a third of ... That's not a warning label, its more like the CBS interview with Kamala Harris. Massive alterations, incomplete, high spin rate. Try these.... Quote
robosmith Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 23 minutes ago, Legato said: That's not a warning label, its more like the CBS interview with Kamala Harris. Massive alterations, incomplete, high spin rate. Try these.... Three sources prove YOU'RE LYING. Quote
Legato Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 34 minutes ago, robosmith said: Three sources prove YOU'RE LYING. Those are your sources. You lost again? Try goggles when it's raining. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, Legato said: So in much simpler terms, Trump is following up on his election promises, you know, the ones that got him elected. Most Legumes are good for indigestion. In much simpler terms, Trump is governing without regard to Congress or the Courts. That's what dictators do. He knowingly breaks the law and then says try and stop me. That's what dictators do. Edited February 25 by Aristides 1 1 Quote
Deluge Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 hours ago, Radiorum said: Trump is installing what scholars call patrimonialism. His mass firings, defiance of laws, disregarding the plain language of statues, court rulings, and the Constitution, antagonizing allies, incursion into the arts (naming himself the chair of the Kennedy Centre) all support this idea. As he installs patrimonialism, Trump sees the state as “little more than (his) extended household” … the state does “not exist as a separate entity.” Rather, he is running it as if it were his personal property or family business. When he declares “He who saves the Country does not violate any Law.” – he is claiming to be the symbolic father of the people - or according to Tucker Carlson “Daddy” (who should give the country a vigorous spanking) – the state’s personification and protector – a hallmark of patrimonialism. Patrimonialism infects government by replacing impersonal, formal lines of authority with personalized, informal ones, like announcing out of nowhere the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico, or a U.S. occupation of Gaza, or having your number-two man (an unelected billionaire) send out an email to thousands of federal employees asking them what they did last week and a failure to respond would be taken as a resignation. Patrimonialism may transition to full-blown authoritarianism. “…as patrimonialism snips the government’s procedural tendons, it weakens and eventually cripples the state … Electoral processes and constitutional norms cannot survive long when patrimonial legitimacy begins to dominate the political arena…” Patrimonialism is based on individual loyalty and connections, on rewarding friends and punishing enemies. As one prominent Republican said of Trump, “If you’re his friend, he’s your friend. If you’re not his friend, he’s not your friend.” The main ruling principle of patrimonialism is: “Stay on the ruler’s good side, or else.” Trump is even spearheading a purge of prosecutors who investigated January 6 for no other reason than they did their job. Trump is patrimonialism’s “perfect organism.” He recognizes no distinction between what is public and private, legal and illegal, formal and informal, national and personal. “He can’t tell the difference between his own personal interest and the national interest, if he even understands what the national interest is,” John Bolton, who served as national security adviser in Trump’s first term, told The Bulwark. The question now is: How long will the American people allow Trump to run the country according to his arbitrary whims, for no other reason than to exploit it for his own political, personal and financial gain? Well, the democrats & RINOs shouldn't have opened the borders, pushed DEI, and engaged in fraud waste and abuse. Now the President has no choice but to blow you perverts completely out of Washington. Who else has been loving the past 35 days or so? Quote
Legato Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 27 minutes ago, Aristides said: In much simpler terms, Trump is governing without regard to Congress or the Courts. That's what dictators do. He knowingly breaks the law and then says try and stop me. That's what dictators do. Do try the legumes. They do help. Quote
Aristides Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 9 minutes ago, Legato said: Do try the legumes. They do help. Try waking up and look at what he is doing. He is ruling by decree and the only checks on him have come from the courts. 3 hours ago, Legato said: Pure speculation. Does that come with a warning label? Aren't those blinders getting uncomfortable? Quote
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 hours ago, robosmith said: WRONG. Trump said over and over again that he knew nothing about Project 2025, and now he's appointed it's authors to positions of authority and following the written plans almost verbatim. IOW YOU'RE LYING, TROLL Where is the lie? Yeah, when Project 2025 was released, no one knew anything about it and you clowns started fear mongering over it. So what if some folks were appointed? 27 minutes ago, Aristides said: Try waking up and look at what he is doing. He is ruling by decree and the only checks on him have come from the courts. Are you guys really this ignorant about how the Executive branch functions and the use of Executive orders? Quote
Radiorum Posted February 26 Author Report Posted February 26 8 hours ago, User said: Well, his term runs for 4 years. Then hopefully we get 8 years of Vance. Once again, you prove yourself unfamiliar with the basics of American politics. 8 hours ago, Legato said: So in much simpler terms, Trump is following up on his election promises, you know, the ones that got him elected. I'll let these posts stand on their own as testament to the inability to make any reasonable or intelligent counterpoints to the points raised about patrimonialism in the OP. 4 hours ago, Deluge said: pushed DEI, and engaged in fraud waste and abuse. It is somewhat amazing that anyone can be so blind, to witness what Trump and Musk are doing, and think it is about these things. Quote
Legato Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: I'll let these posts stand on their own as testament to the inability to make any reasonable or intelligent counterpoints to the points raised about patrimonialism in the OP. It is somewhat amazing that anyone can be so blind, to witness what Trump and Musk are doing, and think it is about these things. Yes let them stand as a testament to the effects of 4th stage TDS. You are welcome Quote
Deluge Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: It is somewhat amazing that anyone can be so blind, to witness what Trump and Musk are doing, and think it is about these things. The blindless comes straight from your TDS. Have you seen a Dr. yet? Quote
User Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 14 hours ago, Radiorum said: I'll let these posts stand on their own as testament to the inability to make any reasonable or intelligent counterpoints to the points raised about patrimonialism in the OP. You made no compelling argument. You made a baseless assertion. As I pointed out, the President serves for 4 years. As I have pointed out in other discussions, we have a separation of powers in America between Judicial, Legislative, and Exectuive as well as being a system of Federalism with States vs Federal government. Your assertion is absurd on its face. Quote
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