Autocracy has arrived to the US

[Nationalist]

27 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

DOGE.. a lot of the stuff that you read about on FOX NEWS is going to get scaled back. Existing law and precedent supercedes an EO. That being said.. it was time for something like this. 

I agree with @User for the most part.

You probably have a point too though. Some of what DOGE is proposing may get shut down due to unforeseen pressures. However...that all this abuse is being exposed to the public is a good thing. Embarrassing for the Democrats and what's left of the old guard  in the Republican Party but...McConnell can suck rocks for all I care.

Edited February 18 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

These are two unrelated propositions (and no, a sizeable chunk of Democrats did not), as my main point (that you did not address) makes clear

Sorry about that, typo. The first line should have said  "The issue here is NOT to try and prove whether or not ....."  lol doesn't really make sense without that. 

And yes, it does prove that a sizable chunk of democrats believed that the charges were politically motivated and those are the ones willing to admit it. Sorry kiddo

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

What was political was the wholesale rejection of the American judicial system (not to mention the electoral system) by Trump and his sycophants, all of them “suggesting without evidence that it was the result of a push by President Biden and federal Democrats to prosecute Trump.”

Absolutely patently untrue. Not even really plausible. Do better

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This is not the United States of America,” (Lara Trump) said. “This is the kind of thing you would expect to see in the communist U.S.S.R.”

Ted Cruz posted that the trial was “the kind of thing you see in a Banana Republic.”

Rubio compared Trump’s trial to a Cuban “show trial.”

Yeah. That's exactly how it looks. The optics are absolutely terrible. Right down to the Judge's daughter getting rich off of the whole affair in the case of the criminal trial.

Which is why trump's support actually went up after his conviction and during the trial. People took one look, smell the rat, and decided to support trump.

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

In any case, Trump got due process and a fair trial. Trump’s defense was present at jury selection and signed off on every juror. They had every opportunity to challenge jurors, introduce evidence, question prosecution witnesses and call their own. He was convicted because he was guilty.

No, I don't believe he did. And The defense stated that in order for the trial to be fair there would have to be a change of venue which the judge denied. The judge whose daughter was getting rich off of the whole thing. And then when asked to accuse himself and put in a different judge he refused.

Here's a fun little exercise, what was the crime he was convicted of?  His charges hinge on the idea that what they caught him doing was only a crime if it was done specifically to cover up a more serious crime that is a criminal violation.

So what was that crime? What was the crime that he committed and when was he convicted of it that enables this crime to be considered a criminal charge?

There isn't one. But the judge instructed the jury to pretend that there was if they felt like it. The jury has to follow the judges instructions.

Nobody believes this is fair. He was basically Convicted for a crime that they never brought to trial or even identified.

This trial had nothing to do with criminal behavior and everything to do with politics. It was a complete sham

So now when the same thing happens to a democrat you're going to try and claim that it was unprecedented and how terrible it is...... and nobody will be listening.

[Venandi]

IMO, all of this has a distinct "why are you surprised" flavour to it especially when all it took to avoid it was not being bat sh%$ crazy.

There was no shortage of people (including right here) suggesting that obvious law-fare tactics could easily (even likely) be turned against the very people cheering it on if there was a change in political fortunes.

In the world of aviation incident/accident cause factors it's called the "normalization of deviation" and it usually leads to heartache at a systemic level. Almost invariably it gets worse with time, usage and acceptance... I don't think partisan law-fare is going away now and in due course it will once again be Democrats buffing their claws and smiling... after all, they invented it.

 I remember reading this article some time ago and thinking "ya, wouldn't it be ironic and well deserved if."

It took a few minutes to track it down but here ya go FWIW... MSN from about 9 months ago and it begs a pretty simple question: "WTF did you think was going to happen?" 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-democrats-should-fear-lawfare-tactics-being-turned-against-them/ar-AA1o8MYy

 

 

Edited February 19 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

 

It took a few minutes to track it down but here ya go FWIW... MSN from about 9 months ago and it begs a pretty simple question: "WTF did you think was going to happen?" 

Not sure if you're old enough to remember but it reminds me of that Rice Krispies commercial. "What did you THINK it was made of?"

This is the same. What did you THINK it would look like. 

If you create a hostile culture war and attack people who dare to question  your trans agenda there's going to be a backlash. What did you THINK it would look like?

If you practice lawfare on your political opponents, try to keep their names off of the ballot, bring endless nonsense charges against them, try to drain them of money by endless court cases then when THEY get into power they're going to look to do it right back at you. What did you THINK it would look like?

If you waste endless amounts of money on creating needless beurocracy and demand gov't funds are yours by entitlement and the people paying the bills get no say, someone's going to come along and slash all that. What did you THINK it would look like?

Honestly.  For most sensible people this is OBVIOUS.  But for the left this concept is as hard to grasp as teaching binary mathematics to a gerbil.