Army Guy Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 15 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: If the cartels are terrorist organizations, then their financiers are all around us. Anybody buying cocaine here helps sustain mass murder in South and Central America. Time was when conservatives cared about personal responsibility rather than blaming everybody else. They are going to be declared terrorist organization, what justin plan after that is up in the air...and your right anyone purchasing their product is supporting them indirectly...and in the case on fentanyl what is that punishment going to be , get let out 5 mins later like we have today or face serious jail time... Conservatives do care about personal responsibility....but they are not in power right now, the liberals are who over the last 8 plus years have been soft on almost all our security apparatus departments...and here we are today...And conservatives are blaming the liberals for this shortfall, who else do you blame ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 7 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I have not, in any way "downplayed" the war on drugs. I am right and you acknowledge that billions have been spent for decades by all levels of government to combat drugs....without success. If you think you have a resolution, please inform us and it can be done. If you think "humans" will not take drugs, then it is you that is living in dreamland. Adding another $1.3 billion to the border crossing fund is going to do what?? Other than that, being pious and preaching the failure of the drug wars is nonsensical and certainly not realistic.. Perhaps i have misread your post, but from what i see your saying they are going to take drugs anyway regardless of what we do....Perhaps you can clarify how that is not just giving up on Canadians... Trump wanted Canada to declare Cartels terrorist organizations, Here in Canada terrorist are a military responsibility which adds a whole new level that can be brought to bear here in Canada...not sure how this is going to play out and what new powers this will give the government , but it sure does bring a whole new level of enforcement to bear....some thing we have not tried yet in the war on drugs....and your right the last war on drugs was a failure...but lets not give up until we have tried everything...Humans will take drugs , our job is to make it so expensive they just can not afford it... Is 1.3 billion going to be enough , no it is not that was a figure justin pulled out of his a$$ and ios the minimum they thought would satisfy trump.......it is going to take billions more to be sunk into CBSA, RCMP and every other security apparatus we have... Well if it stops tariffs then yes it is realistic, and for a bonus we get a safer nation....even if we search 2 % of all the incoming trucks and containers we have upgraded our borders security by 100 % Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Here in Canada terrorist are a military responsibility which adds a whole new level that can be brought to bear here in Canada...not sure how this is going to play out and what new powers this will give the government , but it sure does bring a whole new level of enforcement to bear....some thing we have not tried yet in the war on drugs....and your right the last war on drugs was a failure...but lets not give up until we have tried everything... Anywhere the war on drugs has been tried the way you're suggesting has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths and severe degradation of fundamental human rights. Spare me your opinions about collateral damage, I've heard them all before. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 39 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...Humans will take drugs , our job is to make it so expensive they just can not afford it... Because it costs society too much to bear or a misguided morality? How come booze and cigarettes are still so abundant and cheap? I mean we're talking millions upon millions of addicts, millions of deaths and trillions of dollars wasted on health care. But hey, if at first we don't succeed we can always militarize the effort next time. Those warning labels they put on stuff are just so woke don't you think? I wonder when we can expect the Orange One to issue a fatwa banning them like paper straws or something. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: Anywhere the war on drugs has been tried the way you're suggesting has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths and severe degradation of fundamental human rights. Spare me your opinions about collateral damage, I've heard them all before. we are not talking about the huge hammer conventional armies wield....but rather SOF units more of a surgical tool ...and your right terrorist are not afforded the same human rights or protections under our laws as everyday Canadians...to what extent the laws are going to be when operating here in Canada i'm not sure...but don't expect tanks rolling down the streets any time soon...collateral damage is a real thing even police have collateral damage....i would not be worried about it unless your in a cartel...then i say you F$cked... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: Because it costs society too much to bear or a misguided morality? How come booze and cigarettes are still so abundant and cheap? I mean we're talking millions upon millions of addicts, millions of deaths and trillions of dollars wasted on health care. But hey, if at first we don't succeed we can always militarize the effort next time. Those warning labels they put on stuff are just so woke don't you think? I wonder when we can expect the Orange One to issue a fatwa banning them like paper straws or something. When was the last time you bought cigarettes' or booze most of that price is taxes....last time i check smokes were over 26 bucks a pack, that was a few years ago... Ya because those 3 items are very similar in nature one kills over a life time , the other well just one time using it can cause death......so much so Hospitals have set up teams in the streets to perform life saving measures....funny i have not seen anything like that for smokes or booze...but good try....but what do you care , i mean it's only 48,000 Canadians that have died since 2016 that we know of...and another 50,000 that have plugged upo hospital services...what does the number have to be before we take action, 100,000, 200k, 300k Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Perhaps i have misread your post, but from what i see your saying they are going to take drugs anyway regardless of what we do....Perhaps you can clarify how that is not just giving up on Canadians... Trump wanted .... Is 1.3 billion going to be enough , no it is not that was a figure justin pulled out of his a$$ and ios the minimum they thought would satisfy trump.......it is going to take billions more to be sunk into CBSA, RCMP and every other security apparatus we have... Well if it stops tariffs then yes it is realistic, and for a bonus we get a safer nation....even if we search 2 % of all the incoming trucks and containers we have upgraded our borders security by 100 % Yes, that is what I am saying. For decades and decades we have played the game with drugs and we resort to making it OK to buy them, take them and no consequences for it. Shit, the cops make more arrests than any border people. And then we let them go. Is it OK to make it easier and safer to take drugs and disguise it as the fight against drugs??? No, it is not. $1.3 billion is a drop in the bucket and will not do anything. As for "Trump wanted" .....he will not stop tariffs at all. It is him asserting his power and he will not stop. We, be it Trudeau or his successor, will cave to what Trump wants. We do not have the power. Edited February 11 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: we are not talking about the huge hammer conventional armies wield....but rather SOF units more of a surgical tool These are also known as death squads. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: ...collateral damage is a real thing even police have collateral damage... SOF units have killed as many as 30000 civilians in the Philippines the last 8-9 years. Like you say, accidents happen. They still have a growing number of addicts btw. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: These are also known as death squads. SOF units have killed as many as 30000 civilians in the Philippines the last 8-9 years. Like you say, accidents happen. They still have a growing number of addicts btw. Sure, just say no to drugs you'll be ok... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Ya because those 3 items are very similar in nature one kills over a life time Go tell it to Keith Richards. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: the other well just one time using it can cause death......so much so Hospitals have set up teams in the streets to perform life saving measures....funny i have not seen anything like that for smokes or booze...but good try... Try outlawing them again and see what happens. Thousands were killed and maimed for life when things were added to moonshine to give it that extra kick. No doubt people would find alternatives to nicotine if it was banned. The reason drugs become more dangerous over time as was pointed out, is that they're more concentrated to avoid detection when being smuggled and adulterated often poisonously to make up for deficiencies in quality you'd expect in a regulated manufacturing process. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 12 Author Report Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Go tell it to Keith Richards. Try outlawing them again and see what happens. Thousands were killed and maimed for life when things were added to moonshine to give it that extra kick. No doubt people would find alternatives to nicotine if it was banned. The reason drugs become more dangerous over time as was pointed out, is that they're more concentrated to avoid detection when being smuggled and adulterated often poisonously to make up for deficiencies in quality you'd expect in a regulated manufacturing process. Nobody is talking about outlawing cigs or booze, calm down....and to be honest large portions of the population have already quit smoking....nobody can afford it.....see a trend here.....nope read it again.... they are talking about trying to eliminate fentanyl a drug that kills and has killed plenty of canadians todate...almost 50,000 of them with 50000 more being hospitalized, i guess your right we'll wait until those numbers hit 1/2 a million see you then natural selection right, the weak and stupid need to be weeded out is that your message....shit while we are at it we could legalize drink and driving while we are at it....and we wonder why the left and right can not discuss anything Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 12 Report Posted February 12 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is talking about outlawing cigs or booze, calm down... Why not? They're drugs. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: ...Humans will take drugs , our job is to make it so expensive they just can not afford it... And you also say no cost is too high. The only way you can address demand for drugs is change human nature 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: they are talking about trying to eliminate fentanyl a drug And replacing it with what? Like you say humans will still take something. Eliminate fentanyl and like terrorists the next drug will be even deadlier. 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: it....and we wonder why the left and right can not discuss anything Well, you sure make it a lot harder when you insist we all join you in uselessly banging our heads against the same wall as before. Edited February 12 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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