With Trudeau and his Finance Minister at war, it’s clear: this government is done

[CdnFox]

Opinion: With Trudeau and his Finance Minister at war, it’s clear: this government is done - The Globe and Mail

Freeland and trudeau are now openly at war. She is obviously trying to distance herself from his failed policies because there is no way anybody would consider her for the next leadership if they associate her with his economic record.

apparently  he appears to be turning towards Carney to fill that role. Not surprisingly that man is too politically naive to realize that it will tie him directly to Trudeau's policies as well and will wipe out his chances with the Canadian public.

[Tony Hladun]

Trudeau is an angry narcissist so he will not step down.  The NDP and the Bloc will not vote him down because they haven't and I'll bet he'll try to get around a no confidence vote if there is one.  Canada has made its bed and now we have to sleep in it.

[Politics1990]

I am all for carney being the next finance minster or liberal leader atleast he is smart enough for the job.. never been a fan of freeland  tbh.

[Tony Hladun]

17 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

I am all for carney being the next finance minster or liberal leader atleast he is smart enough for the job.. never been a fan of freeland  tbh.

You're right.  After Monday he'll fire Freeland, bring in Carney under a flag of "We'll be Responsible Now" and then stay on as PM.  

Edited December 13, 2024 by Tony Hladun

[Nefarious Banana]

Trudeau vs Freeland

Bubblehead vs Bobblehead

Win/win situation

What a mess Canada is in

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

Trudeau is an angry narcissist so he will not step down.  The NDP and the Bloc will not vote him down because they haven't and I'll bet he'll try to get around a no confidence vote if there is one.  Canada has made its bed and now we have to sleep in it.

The bloc voted against him once and has promised to do so again. But the NDP alone is enough to keep him in power and they're not going to vote against him until after February next year at the very very earliest

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Whatever the outcome, I pray that the Trump boot-licker loses the election. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Whatever the outcome, I pray that the Trump boot-licker loses the election. 

Let the adults handle it. It's Friday, so go have your drink

[Queenmandy85]

During the SNL affair, it became clear that Prime Minister Trudeau has a problem with women.

With regard to Mark Carney, when ever a political party finds a "golden boy" they can't pass up, such as John Turner, Kim Campbell, Michael Ignatieff, or Mark Carney, they turn out to be a disappointment. You could put the Prime Minister into that category as well. His advantage is he is facing off against another golden boy. Parliament has voted no-confidence in Pierre Poilievre three times in the last few months. The voters want to vote Prime Minister Trudeau out but there is little enthusiasm in the electorate for Mr. Poilievre. The irony is the two men are remarkably similar. As I posted in another forum back when Justin Trudeau ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party, he is all flash and no bang. Mr. Poilievre is all talk but no substance. He is consummed with wanting to be Prime Minister. He will say anything to advance that goal. But I've seen no indication that he has any viable plans for how to deal with the important issues after his appointment. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

During the SNL affair, it became clear that Prime Minister Trudeau has a problem with women. His efforts to over compensate to preserve his feminist facade has been the genesis to most of his problems.

 

He has a problem with women that don't do what they're told. He likes them barefoot and pregnant and submissive so to speak. They're not so much fun when they talk back.

I think she's gone along with what he's wanted even though she knew it was wrong and wouldn't work, but now that she wants to run for the top job one day she's becoming more and more concerned about his crack -brained ideas and useless gimmicks and is pushing back. He won't like that much.

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With regard to Mark Carney, when ever a political party finds a "golden boy" they can't pass up, such as John Turner, Kim Campbell, Michael Ignatieff, or Mark Carney, they turn out to be a disappointment. You could put the Prime Minister into that category as well. His advantage is he is facing off against another golden boy.

Harper was anything but a Golden Boy  Turner and Campbell really weren't either, they were popular but they won a fair leadership race against genuine competitors, they weren't annoyed and they came from within the party. Ignatief might be a better example, someone from outside the party who was parachuted in.

 

I don't think carney would have done terribly well no matter what, but rubbing the smell of Trudeau all over him certainly weakens his chances.

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Parliament has voted no-confidence in Pierre Poilievre three times in the last few months. 

You have to be seven different kinds of stupid to think that's true.

And the polling shows that there is huge appetite for an immediate election from the public. 50% or more would like one right now specifically to get rid of Trudeau. Which is more than enough to win a massive majority.

Poilievre sees his numbers climb every single month in both popularity, voting intention, and who would make the best prime minister as well as who would be the best to fight Trump. All of those same metrics

People have realized that liberal mentality and the left destroys nations. Canada is horribly worse off for having listened to the liberals and individual Canadians see it in their everyday life.

I doubt anybody is going to be interested in being strongly supportive of the liberals anytime in the next 12 years. But I think carney is definitely going to wind up making it worse if he winds up securing the leadership at this point having tied his fortune to Trudeau who is easily the most hated of the hated liberals

[Nefarious Banana]

At this point, Trudeau is an injured 'old' dog' . . . snapping and biting at everything, including shadows.  Desperate, delusional, and distant.  Canada looks upon him with contempt and derision.  Go away Trudeau, you're not welcome in Canada.

[Queenmandy85]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He has a problem with women that don't do what they're told. He likes them barefoot and pregnant and submissive so to speak. They're not so much fun when they talk back.

Agreed. 

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think she's gone along with what he's wanted even though she knew it was wrong and wouldn't work, but now that she wants to run for the top job one day she's becoming more and more concerned about his crack -brained ideas and useless gimmicks and is pushing back. He won't like that much.

You've been watching CBC's At Issue, you naughty boy. 😉

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Harper was anything but a Golden Boy  Turner and Campbell really weren't either, they were popular but they won a fair leadership race against genuine competitors, they weren't annoyed and they came from within the party. Ignatief might be a better example, someone from outside the party who was parachuted in.

 

I don't think carney would have done terribly well no matter what, but rubbing the smell of Trudeau all over him certainly weakens his chances.

I never thought of Harper as a golden boy. But Turner and Campbell fit the label. A golden boy is that person who is so great, the party can not resist them. I supported Charest in the campaign that put Campbell in. She believed in her own legend, she didn't see the need to campaign. A lot like Secretary Clinton. 

Carney does not have the ability to win. He would be an adequate PM but can't win a campaign. Too bland. He is basically the opposite of Poilievre, who couldn't lose the campaign if he tried but will struggle as PM.

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And the polling shows that there is huge appetite for an immediate election from the public. 50% or more would like one right now specifically to get rid of Trudeau. Which is more than enough to win a massive majority.

Poilievre sees his numbers climb every single month in both popularity,

Actually, the CPC numbers have not shifted since last February. They have remained steady at 41% - 43%. That being said, the popular vote is irrelevant. It is the seat count that determines who will be appointed Prime Minister. The polls have put the CPC count ranging up and down between 206 and 227 since last February. If the election had taken place on Dec. 8, the CPC would have received the largest majority in Canadian federal political history. Only the Old Chief and Brian Mulroney have come close. Although, Prime Minister Diefenbaker's super majority is pretty impressive, considering there were fewer seats.

Minister Freeland has likely resigned herself to never being Prime Minister. Like the Americans, Canadians seem reluctant to have a woman Prime Minister.  

Don't worry about Justin Trudeau's legacy. The funny thing is, when a hated Prime Minister leaves office, they are counted out, but Canadians are very forgiving. When he lost the leadership to Bob Stanfield, everyone but me turned their back on him. By the time the next leadership race came around, every candidate was his best friend. Brian Mulroney was attacked at every turn when he left office. At his funeral, no one had a negative word to say about him.  12 years from now, Justin Trudeau will be seen as having beena good Prime Minister. We will forget his ill concieved alliance with the Khalistanis. 

 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You've been watching CBC's At Issue,

That's a terrible thing to say to a man, you take that back!    

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I never thought of Harper as a golden boy. But Turner and Campbell fit the label. A golden boy is that person who is so great, the party can not resist them. I supported Charest in the campaign that put Campbell in. She believed in her own legend, she didn't see the need to campaign. A lot like Secretary Clinton

Well if you're going to use that as a definition you're not entirely wrong that's for sure, certainly Campbell thought she was the second coming. And she quickly became a fan favorite for the PC but not canada. 

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Carney does not have the ability to win.

Agreed, but Gerald butts is probably going to convince him that he'll see to it that he will win and navigate the difficult political waters of the party etc etc. But it is death to associate himself with Trudeau right now while he's got a nice clean break

 

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Actually, the CPC numbers have not shifted since last February. They have remained steady at 41% - 43%.

Last February they were 39 to 41, with the occasional 38 from Nanos.  338 has them at about 39 as an average. 

They shifted noticeably since then, hitting roughly their current height in June, then fluctuating a bit but they seem to be somewhat stabilizing at this current high.

338Canada Canada | Poll Analysis & Electoral Projections

And seat projections

And approvals and such have tended to get stronger as well, so not only did they go up in popular vote and seat projection but that support seems to be getting deeper and stronger. So even when their support doesn't go up the strength of their support has. 

If I'm being 100% honest I really thought when they hit 40% that that was the best they could possibly expect to do and that while they may have the odd outlier poll that was a little higher that was the best they could do. Then the average hit 41. Then 42.  It's absolutely amazing, but it still seems to have room to go up. 

Canadians used to be forgiving.  And prime ministers used to be the sacrificial goat that took all of the nations frustrations and sins with them when they "died" and a new pm got in. 

Those days are gone. I've seen it with my own eyes for some time now.  There's been a shift. In many parts of the country that forgivingness is gone.  People will remain divided, and far more hateful and they will hold onto that for longer.

Trudeau has changed Canada.  And not for the better. .And i don't see it going back soon.