LIV = Low Information Voters

[Radiorum]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And it does seem to be a stronger tendency on the left versus the right at this point in history

Not when the right believes in Trump for no other reason than he promises to stick it to the left.

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He grossly overstates or exaggerates his positions and the facts on a regular basis and people know it. Instead they tend to take the general meaning of what he's saying and discount the inaccuracies.

You mean they are deluded? Trump sends out dog whistles. He obfuscates. I hate the same people you hate! That’s all that matters.

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And when you do that he's not often wrong. 

There are far too many things to list that Trump is wrong about, but let’s just keep it to this one – was he wrong to create the BIG LIE about the 2020 election being stolen so he could illegally retain power?

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

authoritarian.

Right. But not the man who said, Hitler did some good things. The man who praises Putin and Orban. The man who has given every indication he will tilt the levers of power in his favour during his second administration.

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Everyone gets this about trump and they factor it in when listening to him. 

See above.

They listen to him not because they seek the truth, but because they seek to have control over things they do not understand.

Hey, remember the time Trump said Biden hatched a plot to have him assassinated? That was awesome!

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Republicans trust almost no one

This is the concern. They trust no-one or nothing – not scientists, not economists, not intellectuals, not facts, – no-one but power-hungry, narcissist Trump, despite his amorality and ignorance, his fomenting of hate and division, his lies and pettiness, his legal problems, his sexual crimes, his attempt to steal an election, his love of dictators and non-support of allies, and the threat he poses to democracy and world peace.

He’s the slimy politician shaking the very foundation of the USA, who will say anything to get votes. The creepy uncle mob-boss who deals in strong-armed persuasion, lies, all lies, and leads the USA down a dark road.   

And for the record, I want to mention that Dolly Parton always had cats, not children. And that was okay.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Not when the right believes in Trump for no other reason than he promises to stick it to the left.

Again more of your fantasy thinking based on your own echo chamber and not on reality. Those who supported trump over harris a variety of excellent reasons, and stick it to the left was probably the one I heard the least. Although I do believe that there are many who will be looking forward to trump going after the democrats the way that the democrats went after him but that would be a side benefit at best.

You democrats thought you knew everything and you didn't listen when normal people like me told you what was going to happen and why. Now that you've lost you want to blame other people and say how terrible they are. You think that's a great way to win next time, telling the people you want to retract back to your party what a bunch of mindless scumbags they are? That'll really make them come back and buckets?

If you're headed kiddo.

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You mean they are deluded?

No, being Deluded or deluding  yourself would be for example taking what I said and misinterpreting that as being deluded  

Look, it's okay to be buthurt. But don't let it control your wits

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

There are far too many things to list that Trump is wrong about, but let’s just keep it to this one – was he wrong to create the BIG LIE about the 2020 election being stolen so he could illegally retain power?

That's a good one. Although it's actually two questions. We should start off by me pointing out if you look back on this form I have always maintained until extremely recently when I saw the results of this election for the last election was not stolen.

First off, I believe that he actually believed that it was stolen. So for him it's not creating a big lie. Unless remember he is the far from the first candidate to challenge an election in the past. And in fact to this very day you've got hillary Clinton going around saying her election was stolen and that trump stole the 2016 election from her and was never a legitimate president. Seriously she's literally doing that in public.

Lets say for a moment that both of them believe that. That brings us to the other problem which I have mentioned dozens and dozens of times, which is the way that elections are held in the united states is such that large-scale fraud could easily happen and not be detected. And both of these people are aware of that. 

So if you want to blame someone blame the system and the fact that it could easily be manipulated, because we for all we know these two could both be right. It is impossible to prove that there were no Shenanigans in the 2016 election and it's impossible to prove that Biden didn't pull some sneaky business in the 2020. In fact the voter numbers strongly suggest at this point in time that something very unusual did occur

Furthermore polls since 2000 show that whatever side loses, the other side's voters are sure it was 'rigged' by a vast majority. So even the voters don't have faith in the vote. 

So no I don't think it's radically crazy to challenge the result AT ALL. I would personally take the stance that unless you CAN show interference you need to accept the results but that's a personal opinion and i didn't put my whole life into trying to get elected so maybe i'd feel different if i did. 

 

Which brings us to your second question about is attempt to hold on to power.

I thought it was childish and graceless. But it was based on a legal principle that may very well hold weight. So what he was trying to do is exploit a loophole to legally retain power. Because it involves an element of deception I feel it was grossly inappropriate. But it's important to differentiate between that and out and out illegal. And again mens Rea matters.

I think it was beyond scummy and borderline illegal although a judge would have to say for sure with regards to last bit.

But I think even worse of the democrats attempts to weaponize the courts to suppress their political opponent. Just to be clear in my books that was an order of magnitude worse.

So give it a choice between someone who did one and not the other a lot of people seem to feel that he was the lesser of two evils

But none of this has anything to do with whether or not he lies you kind of quietly changed the channel there didn't you

[Radiorum]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

First off, I believe that he actually believed that it was stolen.

No, he knew that his claims were false. You can find the evidence for this in Section B: The Defendant Knew his Claims of Outcome-Determinative Fraud Were False (page 10-16) of Jack Smith’s court filing

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So no I don't think it's radically crazy to challenge the result AT ALL.

Right, and he was allowed to. The 2020 election was exhaustively investigated and litigated. Over 60 lawsuits filed, and none found widespread fraud.

But that is not all he did. In fact, in the months before the election, he laid the groundwork for his plan should he lose the election. See Section A: Formation of the Conspiracies (page 5-10) of the court filing.

He actually did that with this latest election too. Have a look at the unhinged post he made Sept. 7, 2024:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113098755955857290

And then there is the fake electors scheme. You can read about it in the following sections of the court filing (pages 15-72):

C. The Defendant Aimed Deceit at the Targeted States to Alter Their Ascertainment and Appointment of Electors

D. The Defendant Organized and Caused His Electors to Submit Fraudulent Certificates Creating the False Appearance the States Submitted Competing Electoral Slates

E. The Defendant Attempted to Persuade Pence to Reject Votes Cast by Duly-Appointed Electors and Choose the Defendant’s Fraudulent Ones.

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But I think even worse of the democrats attempts to weaponize the courts to suppress their political opponent.

Trump got due process. His defense was present at jury selection and signed off on every juror. They had every opportunity to challenge jurors, introduce evidence, question prosecution witnesses and call their own.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

No, he knew that his claims were false. You can find the evidence for this in Section B: The Defendant Knew his Claims of Outcome-Determinative Fraud Were False (page 10-16) of Jack Smith’s court filing

No evidence is presented there. He claims that trump was told by somebody that he was wrong. That's it. That in no way shape or form even begins to suggest that trump believed them and thought that they were right and he was wrong.

In fact what we know of trump's personality suggests the opposite. He is vastly more likely to believe that he is correct and others are wrong.

This is the problem with people today, the evidence that you were given did not support the conclusion you drew but you made that conclusion because you want trump to be guilty.

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Right, and he was allowed to. The 2020 election was exhaustively investigated and litigated.

And? All that means is that he couldn't prove guilt or exactly who did it but that doesn't mean that the election wasn't stolen. If we find a person who's been murdered, just because I cannot prove that it was John Smith who did the deed in a court of law doesn't mean there wasn't a murder.

There is evidence that something unusual happened with the election especially after the last election. Evidence is not proof but trump is the kind of person who just like you get something in their head and then all things prove him right in his mind even though that's not an accurate statement.

As I said Hillary Clinton is still disputing 2016.

By the way, seeing as you already lied about pages 10 to 15 I'm not reading entire sections of stuff just because you asked me to. If you have something specific to point out point it out but otherwise I'm not interested in listening to your dishonesty

And no, he didn't lay the groundwork for his plan. Since the moment he started to run back in 2016 right through till today he alleges that the democrats play dirty tricks and try to rig things. That is because they do and certainly in the last year or so we've seen that more than ever before. I'm sure he believes that absolutely.

And let me point out that a number of prominent democrats claim that this election was rigged. So are the democrats all laying the groundwork for something?

Your claim has absolutely no merit

 

And let me give you a little introduction to law - A filing is neither proof or even evidence in and of itself. He is making an argument. The argument may be entirely wrong and they very frequently are. That is why they go to court and they are tested and the other side is allowed to make it's claims an arguments.

What you appear to have done is taken a filing and somehow interpreted it as a judge's ruling. As if everything in there is factually accurate and true just because it was filed which is 100% absolutely not the case.

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Trump got due process

No he didn't.  And his lawyers requests for changes in venue and all of the other things that would have been necessary to make it fair were shot down by the judge whose daughter is getting rich off of this case.

Trump did not get due process in the slightest. The court was weaponized against him and the charges are absolutely insanely ridiculous. Felony bookkeeping? Nobody in the history of America has ever been charged with this or like this and it is an absolutely insane charge. It literally requires that the jury believes that a crime has been committed that was never alleged never proven in court never even presented as evidence in order to make this crime a crime. In other words the jury literally had to wish this crime into existence by believing in another crime that they have no idea whether it occurred or not.

That is not due process. That's why they're calling this the Tinkerbell ruling, because just like Tinkerbell it only stays alive as long as you believe in it as hard as you can

Why do you think it had a positive effect on trump's election? People were outraged at this utter sham. And they should be. It is far far more Insidious and evil than what trump tried to do

[Radiorum]

On 12/7/2024 at 12:26 PM, CdnFox said:

Why do you think it had a positive effect on trump's election? People were outraged at this utter sham. And they should be. It is far far more Insidious and evil than what trump tried to do

No, Trump’s supporters fell victim to a propaganda campaign perpetrated by Trump’s sycophants, who fell in line. It was never about justice, but politics, all politics, and blatant self-interest.

 

Sen. Marco Rubio:

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Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, a potential vice presidential contender, is taking heat for comparing former President Donald Trump's hush money trial to show trials in military revolutionary Cuba and posting video of one that ended in the execution of the accused.

 

In an X post, Sen. Ted Cruz compared the US legal system to what you would expect to see in banana republics

 

And how about the pledge of non-cooperation with the Democrats signed by Republican senators, which begins with: “The White House has made a mockery of the rule of law and fundamentally altered our politics in un-American ways….”

 

The Republican party vowed to – as Mike Johnson says – “fight back with everything in our arsenal.”

They want to interrogate court officials (talk about autocratic measures). Jim Jordan issued requests for Alvin Bragg to appear before the House Judiciary select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. (Will Jordon convene this committee once Trump goes after his enemies?)

Lara Trump said, “This is the kind of thing you would expect to see in the communist USSR."

Really? I mean, come on, really? Why do Trump supporters lap up this hyperbole?

Well, we know why candidates for office won't stand up to Trump. This is what happens to them:

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And when former Maryland governor Larry Hogan, now the Republican candidate for one of Maryland’s U.S. Senate seats, urged “all Americans to respect the verdict and the legal process,” top Trump adviser Chris LaCivita had a had a blunt response on X.

“You just ended your campaign,” he told the former governor.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/02/trump-republicans-jury/

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

No, Trump’s supporters fell victim to a propaganda campaign perpetrated by Trump’s sycophants, who fell in line. It was never about justice, but politics, all politics, and blatant self-interest.

Right, so your argument is that the majority of the people in the united states are just too stupid and if they were as smart as you then things would be better.

Kid, having seen you here I already know that you are barely average intelligence. If we work hard with you we might get your skill set to slightly above average but that's it. Nobody fell victim to anything. Everybody including democrats saw the trials for what they were, a politically motivated event the differences that the hardcore democrats felt that such things are justified. They are not and the rest of the country disagreed with them

 

 

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Sen. Marco Rubio:

Honestly nobody cares. You think that because someone that occasionally crosses swords with trump had an opinion somehow it matters? Don't be a loser

 

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And how about the pledge of non-cooperation with the Democrats signed by Republican senators, which begins with: “The White House has made a mockery of the rule of law and fundamentally altered our politics in un-American ways….”

 You mean it begins with the truth?

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The Republican party vowed to – as Mike Johnson says – “fight back with everything in our arsenal.”

And?

The democrats started the whole lawfare thing. Now they're worried that trump might come back and do the same thing to them that they did to him.

And well he should. They need to learn that anytime they cross a line and break a law it can be used against them. It's the only way to prevent future abuses.

The democrats have broken dozens and dozens of laws. That's why they are pressuring Biden like hell to issue blanket pardons going back a decade or more for dozens of democrats.

[Radiorum]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Right, so your argument is that the majority of the people in the united states are just too stupid

I think the majority of Trump's most diehard supporters know he is a liar, a cheat, and corrupt, but they don't care. He has created an enemy for them, and vows to fight this enemy for them. They know he is a dirty fighter, but all is fair in fighting "the enemy within." 

He has them convinced that he is "the chosen one." How else to explain the meme below?

 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

I think the majority of Trump's most diehard supporters know he is a liar, a cheat, and corrupt, but they don't care. He has created an enemy for them, and vows to fight this enemy for them. They know he is a dirty fighter, but all is fair in fighting "the enemy within." 

He has them convinced that he is "the chosen one." How else to explain the meme below?

 

The one's you're clutching have a habit of breaking easily, here's some more to try.....

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Legato

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

I think the majority of Trump's most diehard supporters know he is a liar, a cheat, and corrupt, but they don't care. He has created an enemy for them, and vows to fight this enemy for them. They know he is a dirty fighter, but all is fair in fighting "the enemy within." 

He has them convinced that he is "the chosen one." How else to explain the meme below?

 

"Look deeper" .... how ?  His words ?  His actions ?   How are we to make up our minds otherwise ?  

"He's a horrible person and does bad things but just you wait..."

I don't get it.  I think it's easier to conclude that his followers simply want to believe and thereby convince themselves.   

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I think the majority of Trump's most diehard supporters know he is a liar, a cheat, and corrupt, but they don't care. He has created an enemy for them, and vows to fight this enemy for them. They know he is a dirty fighter, but all is fair in fighting "the enemy within." 

He has them convinced that he is "the chosen one." How else to explain the meme below?

 

Ok, so your new argument is that everyone who voted for trump was just gullible and can't think for themselves and trump created an 'imaginary' enemy for them. But you were just too smart to fall for it. Is that about right?

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"Look deeper" .... how ?  His words ?  His actions ?   How are we to make up our minds otherwise ?  

"He's a horrible person and does bad things but just you wait..."

I don't get it.  I think it's easier to conclude that his followers simply want to believe and thereby convince themselves.   

Mike, i personally told you this would be the outcome and it would happen as a result of attitudes just like yours 

Rather than look honestly at why trump might have been a better choice than kammy in the eyes of many (most it would seem) you prefer to degrade people you disagree with and dismiss them. 

Enjoy the next 4 years of trump, 12 years of republicans, and probably a similar time of conservatives in canada.  People are done with your completely unjustified arrogance. 

[Radiorum]

On 12/9/2024 at 12:19 PM, CdnFox said:

Ok, so your new argument is that everyone who voted for trump was just gullible and can't think for themselves and trump created an 'imaginary' enemy for them. But you were just too smart to fall for it. Is that about right?

No.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

No.

Well then you're not very good at communicating are you.

Or is the problem that when you do communicate and people comment on your communication you realize it's kind of dumb so you try and change it or deny that that's what you meant. As I recall your fond of changing definitions of words on the fly to match your arguments.

Here's the deal. The majority of Americans saw through the bull crap and realized that trump was a better choice than Kamala. They saw through the democrats lies, they disapproved of the democrats attempt to weaponize the courts, they hated the left-wing economy and what it had done to their standard of living, and they didn't appreciate the constant unjustified ridiculous attacks on trump and anyone who voted for him. Including the ones like the one above that you're trying desperately now to dodge.

And the democrats response has been to call the plurality of American voters stupid, racist, bigoted homophobes, evil dumb people who can't understand, and so on rather than take a long hard look at why they got shot down.

Keep going kid. With that attitude it'll be another 8 years of republicans after trump is done.

[Radiorum]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

very good at communicating are you.

Communication is a two-way street. I take no responsibility for the receiver.

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

kind of dumb so you try and change it or deny that that's what you meant. As I recall your fond of changing definitions of words on the fly to match your arguments.

This speaks to your lack of understanding, or maybe is it acknowledgement?

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They saw through the democrats lies, they disapproved of the democrats attempt to weaponize the courts, they hated the left-wing economy and what it had done to their standard of living, and they didn't appreciate the constant unjustified ridiculous attacks on trump and anyone who voted for him. I

And understand the source of all these charges. It is Trump, himself. The false orange god.

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And the democrats response has been to call the plurality of American voters stupid, racist, bigoted homophobes, evil dumb people who can't understand,

No, I wouldn't say it is a plurality. Just enough to get the f**cker voted in. And those are the very things Trump appealed to. Hey, we're human. You think we have evolved beyond Og and his cousin Gook? Think again.

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

With that attitude it'll be another 8 years of republicans after trump is done.

Showing your base instincts, there.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Communication is a two-way street. I take no responsibility for the receiver.

If the transmission is garbled from the transmitter then even the best receiver in the world will not be able to understand the message. Good communication begins with good transmission.

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This speaks to your lack of understanding, or maybe is it acknowledgement?

It's observation. So I suppose it's acknowledgment of your character trait of redefining things on the fly to deal with the holes in your logic. Not sure how that helps your discussion.

 

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And understand the source of all these charges. It is Trump, himself. The false orange god.

No kid it isn't. I realize you're relatively new here but this has been pointed out by me and others since before January and certainly when we got into the whole ridiculous daily legal challenge time frame back in february.

These charges aren't real charges and virtually everybody knows it. Including democrats for the most part who still pull that these are political charges but say that that's okay. 

And the constant name calling charges like saying he's Hitler and such is just stupid. It's not only false it's so false that it makes the speaker look bad and drives people into trump's camp and completely desensitizes the public to any legitimate concerns about trump.

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No, I wouldn't say it is a plurality. Just enough to get the f**cker voted in.

He won the popular vote. By definition that is a plurality. That's what plurality means.

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And those are the very things Trump appealed to. Hey, we're human. You think we have evolved beyond Og and his cousin Gook? Think again.

Not really. Certainly he had nothing nice to say about Kammy But he actually appealed to real problems just as much where is Kamala wasn't willing to talk about real problems at all and made her entire pitch about how horrible trump and his voters were

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Showing your base instincts, there.

First off that has absolutely nothing to do with instincts.

Second it is an observable and predictable course. The American public has already completely rejected your kind of nonsense and gave trump an overwhelming victory. Unless the democrats have a 180° different approach next time they are likely to be rejected again badly. And because in most cases the incumbent tends to win the next election if a republican gets in again next chances are they will be good to go for the next one after that. So that'll be four years plus 8 years. I realize math can be tough but surely even you can work that out  

The democrats lost because they could not be honest and deal with real issues. As you are doing here. If that doesn't change they will lose again almost certainly.

[Radiorum]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If the transmission is garbled from the transmitter then even the best receiver in the world will not be able to understand the message. Good communication begins with good transmission.

What's that got to do with me?

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

redefining things on the fly to deal with the holes in your logic.

fkdiworltjgncdushrgkkbog (That's about as sensical as what you said.)

 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

These charges aren't real charges and virtually everybody knows it.

Everyone in the Trump bubble.

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But he actually appealed to real problems just as much where is Kamala wasn't willing to talk about real problems at all and made her entire pitch about how horrible trump and his voters were

More revisionist history

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

First off that has absolutely nothing to do with instincts.

Yes, you think the state of the world can be reduced to a contest and all that matters is that you win.

 

[Legato]

40 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

What's that got to do with me?

fkdiworltjgncdushrgkkbog (That's about as sensical as what you said.)

 

Everyone in the Trump bubble.

More revisionist history

Yes, you think the state of the world can be reduced to a contest and all that matters is that you win.

 

Methinks you should try more radio and less rum, or, would that be revisionist of me.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

What's that got to do with me?

 

Your transmission is garbled. And I would just like to remind you that that was your metaphor   If you could stretch that old attention span of yours to a little bit more than two posts it would really simplify things

 

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fkdiworltjgncdushrgkkbog (That's about as sensical as what you said.)

You realize you were an error and rather than make an argument that you couldn't make you decided to act like a child. Got it

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Everyone in the Trump bubble.

Everyone in America.

Only one third felt he actually committed a crime in the 'hush money' case for example

Only 1 in 3 Americans think Trump acted Illegally in hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows | PBS News

Only 13 percent of people think trump was treated the same as any other defendant

CNN Poll: Few think Trump is being treated the same as other defendants | CNN Politics

And most people felt it was poltiically motivated, even a lot of democrats, where as bidens were not. 

Most voters believe Trump’s charges were more politically motivated than Hunter Biden’s 

62 percent in new poll say federal charges against Trump politically motivated

 

Sorry kiddo. Even those who still approved of the charges thought they were politically motivated, they were just ok with that (democrats - no morals.)

 

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More revisionist history

Actual history. And the polls show the results. Kamala got wiped out in almost every group And severely underperformed in literally every single county in the united states.

Can't argue with the results

 

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Yes, you think the state of the world can be reduced to a contest and all that matters is that you win.

What a childish thing to say. Don't get mad at me just because you made a bunch of absolutely ridiculous statements that you couldn't substantiate with a reasonable argument. I have warned you time again that both I and others here will pick you up part if you don't step up your game and make solid arguments.

Despite what Monty Python claims, simply saying no every time somebody says yes is not an argument  

History, statistics, probabilities, political realities indicate that if democrats such as you do not change their attitude and quit blaming other people for their own failings and recognize why they lost so badly then come 2028 you will get your asses handed to you again and worse if a republican wins that one they will likely win the next one as the incumbent which is the most usual outcome.

Which means the us will have 12 years of republican rule, 12 years of appointing judges, 12 years to work over the FBI and other agencies, and it will all be because you couldn't face simple truths

You might want to have a little think about that

[Radiorum]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you could stretch that old attention span of yours to a little bit more than two posts it would really simplify things

 Lol, you want to hear more from me? I’m flattered.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You realize you were an error and rather than make an argument that you couldn't make you decided to act like a child. Got it

No, I just reject your characterization of me. It’s wrong. It speaks to your failings, not mine.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Only one third felt he actually committed a crime in the 'hush money' case for example

Only 1 in 3 Americans think Trump acted Illegally in hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows | PBS News

According to the article, half consider him unfit to serve as president.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Only 13 percent of people think trump was treated the same as any other defendant

CNN Poll: Few think Trump is being treated the same as other defendants | CNN Politics

Yes, and a third believe he was treated more leniently.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And most people felt it was poltiically motivated, even a lot of democrats, where as bidens were not. 

Most voters believe Trump’s charges were more politically motivated than Hunter Biden’s 

That figure includes 93% of Republicans, 60% of independents and 17% of Democrats polled, and we know Republicans are under the spell of Trump. 

I’m still trying to figure out what Hunter Biden has to do with American politics.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

62 percent in new poll say federal charges against Trump politically motivated

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Along political party lines, 91 percent of registered Republican respondents said the department’s case against Trump is mainly politically motivated, compared to 65 percent of registered independent respondents and 28 percent of registered Democrat respondents who said the same.

Trump broke the law. End of story.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

if democrats such as you

I am not a democrat. I am a Canadian interested in the truth.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Which means the us will have 12 years of republican rule, 12 years of appointing judges, 12 years to work over the FBI and other agencies

God help them.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

 Lol, you want to hear more from me? I’m flattered.

How is asking you to improve your attention span me saying that I want to hear more from you?

You're doing this weird thing where once you start to lose a discussion you get weirder and weirder and make more and more ridiculous statements. Get it together dude

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No, I just reject your characterization of me. It’s wrong. It speaks to your failings, not mine.

That is very clearly not the case.

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According to the article, half consider him unfit to serve as president.

Sure. Upon reflection, they changed their mind  

I'm sure for a lot of people it wasn't so much that they love trump but that Kamala was quite obviously an absolute disaster. Unfit but more fit than the other choice so to speak

 

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Yes, and a third believe he was treated more leniently.

Which means the vast majority disagree with that. Which is exactly what I said

 

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That figure includes 93% of Republicans, 60% of independents and 17% of Democrats polled, and we know Republicans are under the spell of Trump. 

Did Tinkerbell tell you that, or was it santa Claus or the tooth fairy? You do seem to enjoy creating fairy tales whenever you don't have facts or reason

 

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I’m still trying to figure out what Hunter Biden has to do with American politics.

You must be relatively slow then. This is been spelled out a million times

 

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Trump broke the law. End of story.

Trump broke a fake law that has never been applied to anyone else in the history of the united states. The story continued. The people consider all the facts and listen to the story over months and decided that the story was full of shit.

That was the end of the story

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I am not a democrat. I am a Canadian interested in the truth.

 

It's very clear that the truth is not currently one of your interests. You are more interested in defending your echo chamber and talking points.

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God help them.

Fortunately without a democrat government divine intervention probably won't be necessary. Unlike at the moment

[Radiorum]

On 12/13/2024 at 1:15 AM, CdnFox said:

Trump broke a fake law

No, Obstruction of an official proceeding, Conspiracy to defraud the United States, Conspiracy to make a false statement, and Inciting or aiding an insurrection are not “fake laws”

 

On 12/13/2024 at 1:15 AM, CdnFox said:

has never been applied to anyone else in the history of the united states.

Not to any president, that's for sure. Trump stands alone in his corruption.

 

On 12/13/2024 at 1:15 AM, CdnFox said:

The people consider all the facts and listen to the story over months and decided that the story was full of shit.

It was not facts they were swayed by. 

 

On 12/13/2024 at 1:15 AM, CdnFox said:

It's very clear that the truth is not currently one of your interests.

Quit talking to yourself.

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No, Obstruction of an official proceeding, Conspiracy to defraud the United States, Conspiracy to make a false statement, and Inciting or aiding an insurrection are not “fake laws”

The charges are fairly fake though with the possible exception of defrauding the united states. The rest are a joke.

The documents thing was real, although that now seems like it's dead in the water for several reasons.

And of course we're not even mentioning yet the 34 or whatever so-called felony charges which were complete fraud. Or the claims of "civil" fraud (they always leave out the civil part) and the hundreds of millions in fines which were painfully obviously bogus. 

And so on and so forth.

29 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Not to any president, that's for sure. Trump stands alone in his corruption.

 

In a state correction sure. Nobody believes that that was corruption. And I can show you an election result to prove that.

There was absolutely no corruption here. They never even proved the felony that he was supposed to have had to commit for this minor charge in New York to become a felony.

It's entirely 100% fake, it feels fake, everyone can see it as fake, it's fake. So what they really see is the democrats attempting to weaponize the courts to destroy a political opponent for political purposes. And money of course, the judges daughter is making a bundle off of this.

And they don't like it. That is real corruption, and the united states voters were able to recognize that and have said so

31 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It was not facts they were swayed by. 

 

It was. I know that hurts your feelings but it was. And things played out exactly as I predicted they would when all of this started. The woke left has a habit of deciding that just because they can convince themselves of a lie that everyone else will be easily convinced as well. So they just kept shoveling more and more crap on without making their case and Americans took one look at it and realized this was for political reasons and not based on actual crime or justice and they have reacted appropriately.

 

37 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Quit talking to yourself.

Aww muffin, truth hurts does it?   I guess that's why it's not one of your interests   

 

Hey, you guys are the ones that got your butts kicked. And you will again next time if you don't sit back and listen, and realize what you did wrong. Right now the democrats are blaming everybody else. They're blaming Americans for being too stupid, they're blaming Russians, they're blaming men, they're blaming blacks for not being black enough and Latinos for not being Latino enough, everybody but their own bad behavior which is the real reason they failed. That was a winnable election.

If democrats hadn't tried to dishonestly shovel every single possible fleck of dirt that they could possibly dig up or manufacture on trump and had instead focused like a sniper on key areas of vulnerability and hammered them home while ignoring the rest it would have been much more effective.

In fact, if democrats had had a policy of never mentioning trump's name or January 6th ever again after January 20th,  then trump would not be president.  

But you guys kept him in the papers every single day for free and he turned that against you in the worst way. 

So either get your head out of your ass or enjoy 12 more years of Republican rule

[Radiorum]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

even mentioning yet the 34 or whatever so-called felony charges which were complete fraud.

You're calling the American judicial system a fraud? Them's pretty big words. I disagree with you. I think the judicial system worked. I think those 12 jurors did their duty and did it responsibly.

 

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody believes that that was corruption.

False. many do. Including me.

 

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's entirely 100% fake, it feels fake, everyone can see it as fake, it's fake.

Keep talking and soon you will believe yourself.

 

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So what they really see is the democrats attempting to weaponize the courts to destroy a political opponent for political purposes

Look, Trump got a fair, impartial trial. It does not even matter if the initial charges were politically motivated. The system held. Twelve jurors, who were accepted by both defense and prosecution, came to a decision based on the evidence.

And if you don't think Trump is going to try to destroy his opponents, you don't know Trump.

 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

that just because they can convince themselves of a lie

This is irony in real life. Anyone that believes that Trump is a victim has swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker.

 

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hey, you guys are the ones that got your butts kicked

 

It's disturbing to me that you think this can be reduced to a contest. It's disturbing to hear so many people thinking they are doing "what is good" while filled with hate. 

There was a philosopher named Georg Hegel (1770-1831) who said that evil isn’t the opposite of good – it is the good which believes itself to be completely good. “Goodness so good is evil, if you will.”

That sums up for me the attitudes of much of the Right.

I am reminded of another quote, from Voltaire:

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

And that is what Trump is doing.

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Radiorum said:

You're calling the American judicial system a fraud? Them's pretty big words. 

In the 1970s, such language was a sure indicator that you were talking to a radical.  The populists now use this language, and use it to show off their purity to their friends...

[Michael Hardner]

These are the people who try to convince us they are Patriots.   @Radiorum They say:

The judicial system is a fraud, there's nothing good about our system, everything is corrupt, we have to bring up the yard arm and start hanging members of elected government. 

Folks if you haven't put them on ignore yet, 'tis the season.  

 

Pamper yourself this Christmas the with a troll-free forum chock full of interesting posters with whom you disagree but can engage with. 🎄