Sky News Updates on the Russia War

[WestCanMan]

This Sky News page is the bees knees.

https://news.sky.com/topic/ukraine-6556

They have minute by minute updates with all the facts and the quotes from foreign leaders, and not much else, and they're all stacked in chronological order.

Most other sites have one carefully cultivated article which is mainly just their own narrative, but this has all the US quotes, Zelenski quotes, Putin quotes, and the quotes of other foreign leaders, all in chrono order. 

There's a flurry of activity since Trump was elected, and it was initially peaceful, but now these countries are all in a rush to meet their current objectives before the Sheriff comes to town.

Trump really needs to make a statement soon, to pump the brakes on these warhawk id10ts. 

[eyeball]

I like the quotes saying Ukraine must win and Russia must lose.

It's become an emblem for competing visions for the future - a dark one ruled by dictators and oligarchs and a brighter one that isn't.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump really needs to make a statement soon, to pump the brakes on these warhawk id10ts. 

Meanwhile Biden needs to dispatch carrier fleets.

Better dead than dark - dark sounds worse than red.

[Scott75]

On 11/18/2024 at 2:57 PM, WestCanMan said:

This Sky News page is the bees knees.

https://news.sky.com/topic/ukraine-6556

They have minute by minute updates with all the facts and the quotes from foreign leaders, and not much else, and they're all stacked in chronological order.

Most other sites have one carefully cultivated article which is mainly just their own narrative, but this has all the US quotes, Zelenski quotes, Putin quotes, and the quotes of other foreign leaders, all in chrono order. 

There's a flurry of activity since Trump was elected, and it was initially peaceful, but now these countries are all in a rush to meet their current objectives before the Sheriff comes to town.

Trump really needs to make a statement soon, to pump the brakes on these warhawk id10ts. 

Agreed on the hope that Trump can brake this momentum into madness. I'm generally not a fan of Trump, but when it comes to Ukraine, he's always seemed to be far wiser than his democrat opponents. I -am- a fan of RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, hopefully he can get them in his cabinet. I'm not sure about Gaetz, but I think he may be good, I just don't know enough about him yet. 

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

Agreed on the hope that Trump can brake this momentum into madness. I'm generally not a fan of Trump, but when it comes to Ukraine, he's always seemed to be far wiser than his democrat opponents. I -am- a fan of RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, hopefully he can get them in his cabinet. I'm not sure about Gaetz, but I think he may be good, I just don't know enough about him yet. 

If Tulsi was running against Trump instead of Kamala I would have been far more comfortable with a Trump loss. 

Tulsi actually competed against Kamala for the Dem nomination in 2020, it's amazing how far their paths diverged in just 4 years. 

[Scott75]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If Tulsi was running against Trump instead of Kamala I would have been far more comfortable with a Trump loss. 

Tulsi actually competed against Kamala for the Dem nomination in 2020, it's amazing how far their paths diverged in just 4 years. 

I -definitely- prefer Tulsi over Trump, but I'm happy that he's at least nominating her for Director of National Intelligence. I admit I was overly pessimistic of Trump and didn't think he'd actually nominate anyone good.

 

Just finished what I believe is a very good article on the potentially very good effects of having Tulsi as Trumps DNI:

Scott Ritter: Tulsi Gabbard & the Trump Revolution | Scheerpost

 

Just read another article I really liked on Tulsi's nomination for DNI:

JOHN KIRIAKOU: Gabbard Could Help Change US Foreign Policy | Consortium News

Edited November 20, 2024 by phoenyx75
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[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

I -definitely- prefer Tulsi over Trump, but I'm happy that he's at least nominating her for Director of National Intelligence. I admit I was overly pessimistic of Trump and didn't think he'd actually nominate anyone good.

 

Just finished what I believe is a very good article on the potentially very good effects of having Tulsi as Trumps DNI:

Scott Ritter: Tulsi Gabbard & the Trump Revolution | Scheerpost

 

Just read another article I really liked on Tulsi's nomination for DNI:

JOHN KIRIAKOU: Gabbard Could Help Change US Foreign Policy | Consortium News

I love how leftists say "This person isn't qualified for that job! AAAAAAaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!", and they are the same people who wanted to make Kamala president, and who also think that Joe is the resident right now.

"What inflation? What wars? What could the President of The United States possibly have to do with wars in Europe and the ME?"  the laft.

[Scott75]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I love how leftists say "This person isn't qualified for that job! AAAAAAaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!", and they are the same people who wanted to make Kamala president, and who also think that Joe is the resident right now.

"What inflation? What wars? What could the President of The United States possibly have to do with wars in Europe and the ME?"  the laft.

If I were American, I wouldn't have voted for either Trump or Kamala. But from the start, it seemed that Trump would at least be better at getting out of the Ukraine war. I'm happy to say that with his nomination of Tulsi Gabbard to head National Intelligence, he's cemented this view for me. 

[eyeball]

Whatever happened to the oft-repeated phrase better dead than red?

Why not the same for the dark bleak future Putin envisions - is it because he's a right winger with lots of billionaire buddies?

Seriously?

[Scott75]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Whatever happened to the oft-repeated phrase better dead than red?

Why not the same for the dark bleak future Putin envisions - is it because he's a right winger with lots of billionaire buddies?

Seriously?

Putin, and Russia in general, never wanted to start their military operation in Ukraine. From the start, his goal was essentially on protecting Russians and ethnic Russians. A good starting point for those who have little idea of what caused Russia to start its military operation is the following article from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

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On 11/19/2024 at 5:51 PM, phoenyx75 said:

Agreed on the hope that Trump can brake this momentum into madness. I'm generally not a fan of Trump, but when it comes to Ukraine, he's always seemed to be far wiser than his democrat opponents. I -am- a fan of RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, hopefully he can get them in his cabinet. I'm not sure about Gaetz, but I think he may be good, I just don't know enough about him yet. 

That tends to happen, when Putin is pulling on Trump's puppet strings. 

I can see why you like Scott Ritter, if you are a fan of Gabbard and RFK Jr. 

[Scott75]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

On 11/19/2024 at 6:51 PM, phoenyx75 said:

On 11/18/2024 at 2:57 PM, WestCanMan said:

This Sky News page is the bees knees.

https://news.sky.com/topic/ukraine-6556

They have minute by minute updates with all the facts and the quotes from foreign leaders, and not much else, and they're all stacked in chronological order.

Most other sites have one carefully cultivated article which is mainly just their own narrative, but this has all the US quotes, Zelenski quotes, Putin quotes, and the quotes of other foreign leaders, all in chrono order. 

There's a flurry of activity since Trump was elected, and it was initially peaceful, but now these countries are all in a rush to meet their current objectives before the Sheriff comes to town.

Trump really needs to make a statement soon, to pump the brakes on these warhawk id10ts. 

Agreed on the hope that Trump can brake this momentum into madness. I'm generally not a fan of Trump, but when it comes to Ukraine, he's always seemed to be far wiser than his democrat opponents. I -am- a fan of RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, hopefully he can get them in his cabinet. I'm not sure about Gaetz, but I think he may be good, I just don't know enough about him yet. 

That tends to happen, when Putin is pulling on Trump's puppet strings.

Ah, more of the Russiagate canard. Matt Taibi covered this zombie "Russiagate" back in September in a Fox News clip:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/09/05/taibbi_this_russiagate_story_will_not_die_every_time_it_turns_out_to_be_less_than_meets_the_eye_or_a_hoax.html

The Neocons and Neoliberals just use this stuff to peddle their wars, unfortunately:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/18/siding-with-ukraines-far-right-us-sabotaged-zelenskys-peace-mandate/

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I can see why you like Scott Ritter, if you are a fan of Gabbard and RFK Jr. 

 

I think they all have their flaws, but I also think their strengths more then make up for them. You do have to look past the mainstream media's take on them though, and I suspect that this is simply beyond your capabilities.

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8 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

Ah, more of the Russiagate canard. Matt Taibi covered this zombie "Russiagate" back in September in a Fox News clip:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/09/05/taibbi_this_russiagate_story_will_not_die_every_time_it_turns_out_to_be_less_than_meets_the_eye_or_a_hoax.html

 

h yes....FOX News. The same network that ran with Tucker Carlson for years, who has definitely proven to have ties to Russian oligarchs. The same network that was forced to payout the largest civil settlement in United States history (nearly one billion) to Dominion Voting Systems, for slandering their company (which happens to be Canadian, BTW).

The way you are peddling this BS abiout some of the most sketchy members of Trump's cabinet- RFK Jr, in particular, has literally been disowned by the Kennedy Family, and denounced by them at every opportunity, since he is so unlike his father. RFK Jr is a lifelong drug addict, who has batshit crazy ideas about disproved falsehoods in regards to vaccines.

It's no wonder, you are going to the ends of the Earth to defend a pedophile. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Scott75]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

3 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

Ah, more of the Russiagate canard. Matt Taibi covered this zombie "Russiagate" back in September in a Fox News clip:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/09/05/taibbi_this_russiagate_story_will_not_die_every_time_it_turns_out_to_be_less_than_meets_the_eye_or_a_hoax.html

Ah yes....FOX News. The same network that ran with Tucker Carlson for years, who has definitely proven to have ties to Russian oligarchs.

Yet more unsubstantiated assertions, you really make a lot of those.

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The same network that was forced to payout the largest civil settlement in United States history (nearly one billion) to Dominion Voting Systems, for slandering their company (which happens to be Canadian, BTW).

Not forced, Dominion and Fox News agreed to a settlement out of court:

https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-trump-2020-0ac71f75acfacc52ea80b3e747fb0afe

There were some vulnerabilities in Dominion voting machines, but they were apparently fixed:

https://news.engin.umich.edu/2024/10/four-election-vulnerabilities-uncovered-by-a-michigan-engineer/

In any case, if we were talking about certain Fox News host's claims on Domininion Voting Systems, that'd be one thing, but the subject here is the Russiagate hoax, of which there is plenty of evidence:

https://nypost.com/2022/02/20/the-absurd-russiagate-pulitzer-of-the-ny-times-and-washington-post/

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The way you are peddling this BS abiout some of the most sketchy members of Trump's cabinet- RFK Jr, in particular, has literally been disowned by the Kennedy Family, and denounced by them at every opportunity, since he is so unlike his father.

Not at all. He's done great work when it comes to things like exposing the terrible dangers that vaccines pose, especially to children. He help found a great website that covers this and other health issues called Children's Health Defense that I have relied on extensively when it comes to these subjects. But to get back to the subject of the Ukraine war, here's a good article that gets into his fairly well informed views on the subject:

RFK Jr. says US role in war ‘terrible for the Ukrainian people’ | The Hill

Quoting from the above article:

**

Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Wednesday said the United States’ role in the Russia-Ukraine war is “terrible for the Ukrainian people.”

“We have neglected many, many opportunities to settle this war peacefully,” Kennedy said in a live town hall event with NewsNation, moderated by Elizabeth Vargas. “I think the way that we have conducted the war is bad … is terrible for the Ukrainian people.”

The 2024 presidential candidate said he doesn’t know exactly what a negotiated peace would look like, or whether it would mean ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia. But he blamed decades of U.S. and NATO policy toward Ukraine and Russia for creating conditions for the war.

“We’ve turned that nation into a proxy war between — a pawn in a proxy war between Russia and the United States,” Kennedy said.

“We were told this was a humanitarian exercise. … But when President Biden was asked why are we over there, he said for regime change of [Russian President] Vladimir Putin,” Kennedy said.

**

Edited November 21, 2024 by phoenyx75

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1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said:

Yet more unsubstantiated assertions, you really make a lot of those.

 

Yes, like the assertion Scott Ritter is a paedophile. 

Remember the old saying "birds of a feather...."

Are you attracted to children?  

Typically, the people who defend pedophiles, usually have some forms of sexual deviation themselves. Not saying you do, but on average, it is the norm...

 

Edited November 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said:

 

RFK Jr. says US role in war ‘terrible for the Ukrainian people’ | The Hill

Quoting from the above article:

**

Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Wednesday said the United States’ role in the Russia-Ukraine war is “terrible for the Ukrainian people.”

“We have neglected many, many opportunities to settle this war peacefully,” Kennedy said in a live town hall event with NewsNation, moderated by Elizabeth Vargas. “I think the way that we have conducted the war is bad … is terrible for the Ukrainian people.”

The 2024 presidential candidate said he doesn’t know exactly what a negotiated peace would look like, or whether it would mean ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia. But he blamed decades of U.S. and NATO policy toward Ukraine and Russia for creating conditions for the war.

“We’ve turned that nation into a proxy war between — a pawn in a proxy war between Russia and the United States,” Kennedy said.

“We were told this was a humanitarian exercise. … But when President Biden was asked why are we over there, he said for regime change of [Russian President] Vladimir Putin,” Kennedy said.

**

 

If this were 1939, you would be parroting Father Coughlin, and his isolationist policies towards Nazi Germany:

Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Wednesday said the United States’ role in the Germany-Poland war is “terrible for the Polish people.”

“We have neglected many, many opportunities to settle this war peacefully,” Kennedy said in a live town hall event with NewsNation, moderated by Elizabeth Vargas. “I think the way that we have conducted the war is bad … is terrible for the Polish people.”

The 1940 presidential candidate said he doesn’t know exactly what a negotiated peace would look like, or whether it would mean ceding Polish territory to Germany. But he blamed the 1919 Treaty of Versailles, toward Germany for creating conditions for the war.

“We’ve turned that nation into a proxy war between — a pawn in a proxy war between Germany and the United States,” Kennedy said.

“We were told this was a humanitarian exercise. … But when President Roosevelt was asked why are we over there, he said for regime change of [German Chancellor] Adolf Hitler,” Kennedy said.

Different period of history. Same type of conflict- a power nation invades a weaker nation, and people actually blame a third party for inexplicable reasons. 

Edited November 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Scott75]

12 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

13 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

17 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Ah yes....FOX News. The same network that ran with Tucker Carlson for years, who has definitely proven to have ties to Russian oligarchs.

Yet more unsubstantiated assertions, you really make a lot of those.

Yes, like the assertion Scott Ritter is a paedophile.

Yes, that would indeed be another of your unsubstantiated assertions. 

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7 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

Yes, that would indeed be another of your unsubstantiated assertions. 

Give it up, @phoenyx75

Ritter was caught in 3 Police stings, (twice in 2001 and once in 2009). He was convicted, and sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from a minor. 

 

Edited November 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Scott75]

11 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

If this were 1939, you would be parroting Father Coughlin, and his isolationist policies towards Nazi Germany

I most definitely would not. You're clearly someone who's very quick to jump to false conclusions.

[Scott75]

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

12 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

12 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

13 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

17 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Ah yes....FOX News. The same network that ran with Tucker Carlson for years, who has definitely proven to have ties to Russian oligarchs.

Yet more unsubstantiated assertions, you really make a lot of those.

Yes, like the assertion Scott Ritter is a paedophile. 

Yes, that would indeed be another of your unsubstantiated assertions. 

Give it up, @phoenyx75

Why, because I point out the fact that you make a lot of unsubstantiated assertions? If you'd like to provide evidence that Tucker Carlson "has definitely proven to have ties to Russian oligarchs", by all means do so. As to your unsubstantiated assertions on Mr. Ritter, I'll deal with those in the thread I've made for that purpose.

[Nationalist]

On 11/18/2024 at 5:43 PM, eyeball said:

Better dead than dark - dark sounds worse than red.

So I suppose you'll be on your way to die...right?

No?

lol...what a hypocrite.

[Nationalist]

On 11/21/2024 at 7:09 PM, DUI_Offender said:

Yes, like the assertion Scott Ritter is a paedophile. 

Remember the old saying "birds of a feather...."

Are you attracted to children?  

Typically, the people who defend pedophiles, usually have some forms of sexual deviation themselves. Not saying you do, but on average, it is the norm...

 

The cowadly comments of a slimeball.

Come on you common drunk. At least have the balls to say exactly what you mean.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So I suppose you'll be on your way to die...right?

No?

lol...what a hypocrite.

How so exactly?

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

How so exactly?

You are so gung ho about that war...that you would never go fight in.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You are so gung ho about that war...that you would never go fight in.

I'm being held in reserve against Putin's 5th Column.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I'm being held in reserve against Putin's 5th Column.

Ya...sure you are.