Thank you Joe Biden

[Yakuda]

I read this article this morning and it helped me realize the ally we conservatives had in Joe Biden. Joe ultimately found out exactly what the Democrat party is made of. I'm no fan of biden but Democrats did him dirty and this article suggests joe screwed over the Democrat party for doing so. I realize the article is an opinion piece but I'd like someone to explain how it's incorrect. I also dont think joe dreamt this scheme up on his own but he screwed the Democrats good.

Joe started the screw job of the Dems when he "dropped out" of the race in July when he endorsed harris during the announcement. In August Nancy piglosi admitted they didn't expect joe to do that. They were stuck with Harris because they couldn't decide to support a "black" woman for president even though she didn't win one primary when she ran for president. 

The final blown was when joe called trump supporters "garbage". That left a stink on Harris she couldn't wash off. Thanks joe. I wish you all best in whatever years you have left. You really did help America. 

https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-kamala-screwjob/

Edited November 11, 2024 by Yakuda

[Legato]

Joe probably voted for Trump.

[Yakuda]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Joe probably voted for Trump.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Trump should give biden an honorary cabinet post. Secretary of the department of garbage. 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Trump should give biden an honorary cabinet post. Secretary of the department of garbage. 

If you look at Joe's public appearances after the election he was smiling as if he won. He was laughing and all thumbs up and pointing at people he liked in the audience and having a good old time 

 

To address your original point there are a few correct and incorrect things in there. First off you are 100% correct that Biden was very angry about the situation and did a few things that deliberately through wrenches in kamales campaign.

The being forced to step down and endorse harris was actually not his idea. It was Pelosi in fact who forced him to do that. While internally they talked about the possibility of having an instant runoff leadership race, it was felt that that would make things far worse than better. So it was agreed between the Obamas and Pelosi that they would go with the vice president.

Aside from the fact that this would prevent a massive infighting battle in the democrats just before an election which would be death, only harris was legally allowed to use the money that Biden had raised in fundraising because only she was on the ticket that the money was raised for. So it was either walk away from hundreds of millions of dollars in donations and start a war inside the democratic party or just go with harris

Biden never really liked Kamala, and Jill absolutely detested her She was pushed on Biden as a diversity hire

 

So how did Joe sabotage her?

Well the first thing she began to try and do was distance herself from Biden because absolutely everybody was polling that they hated Biden's economy and his job performance. And he immediately stood up and said she was in the room for every decision and participated fully. It was fairly clear that if she spoke out against any of his policies he would call her on it publicly and that led her to be very cautious in the future of distancing herself

Next when she tried to horn her way in during the hurricanes in the south, she claimed that DeSantis was avoiding her calls and deliberately being political. Biden the same day released a statement saying how he'd spoken to DeSantis and he was very cooperative and great and they were on the ball.  

He campaigned very little and strangely avoided places where he is very popular and could have done some good like Pennsylvania

And then there was the garbage comment   Every windows that the deplorables comment played a significant negative role in Hillary's campaign, and this just brought all that back again and then some.

There's a number of other little things that we hear about by rumor but the ones above are undeniable.

 

[Yakuda]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you look at Joe's public appearances after the election he was smiling as if he won. He was laughing and all thumbs up and pointing at people he liked in the audience and having a good old time 

 

To address your original point there are a few correct and incorrect things in there. First off you are 100% correct that Biden was very angry about the situation and did a few things that deliberately through wrenches in kamales campaign.

The being forced to step down and endorse harris was actually not his idea. It was Pelosi in fact who forced him to do that. While internally they talked about the possibility of having an instant runoff leadership race, it was felt that that would make things far worse than better. So it was agreed between the Obamas and Pelosi that they would go with the vice president.

Aside from the fact that this would prevent a massive infighting battle in the democrats just before an election which would be death, only harris was legally allowed to use the money that Biden had raised in fundraising because only she was on the ticket that the money was raised for. So it was either walk away from hundreds of millions of dollars in donations and start a war inside the democratic party or just go with harris

Biden never really liked Kamala, and Jill absolutely detested her She was pushed on Biden as a diversity hire

 

So how did Joe sabotage her?

Well the first thing she began to try and do was distance herself from Biden because absolutely everybody was polling that they hated Biden's economy and his job performance. And he immediately stood up and said she was in the room for every decision and participated fully. It was fairly clear that if she spoke out against any of his policies he would call her on it publicly and that led her to be very cautious in the future of distancing herself

Next when she tried to horn her way in during the hurricanes in the south, she claimed that DeSantis was avoiding her calls and deliberately being political. Biden the same day released a statement saying how he'd spoken to DeSantis and he was very cooperative and great and they were on the ball.  

He campaigned very little and strangely avoided places where he is very popular and could have done some good like Pennsylvania

And then there was the garbage comment   Every windows that the deplorables comment played a significant negative role in Hillary's campaign, and this just brought all that back again and then some.

There's a number of other little things that we hear about by rumor but the ones above are undeniable.

 

The point basically is that joe helped Trump by working to screw Harris. Joe filleted the Dems when he endorsed the cackling kamal and when he called Trump supporters garbage. It took Obama 5 days to officially endorse Harris. Pelosi even admitted they werent expecting joes announcement and that they were willing to look for someone else. She quoted saying as much in the article. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Yakuda said:

The point basically is that joe helped Trump by working to screw Harris.

And that point is correct. It was slightly subtle enough that he could get away with arguing that it wasn't intentional while winking but it's pretty clear he did

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Joe filleted the Dems when he endorsed the cackling kamal and when he called Trump supporters garbage. It took Obama 5 days to officially endorse Harris. Pelosi even admitted they werent expecting joes announcement and that they were willing to look for someone else. She quoted saying as much in the article. 

He was forced to endorse harris but he absolutely did torpedo the hell out of her with that garbage comment.

Obama Held back to see what the public reaction was not because he was indecisive. Had the public utterly rejected or freaked out then Obama would have been in a position to step forward and say wait a sec, as the great savior of the party I've object and demand that we have a mini primary.

Never doubt that these guys play chess. But like I said there were a number of huge problems with having a mini primary a month before the nomination. Massive problems that would have been extremely difficult to overcome and everybody knew it. This was their only reasonable choice, but they kept an ace in the whole just in case it went completely sideways on them.

By the way, Pelosi lies a lot    

[Yakuda]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

And that point is correct. It was slightly subtle enough that he could get away with arguing that it wasn't intentional while winking but it's pretty clear he did

He was forced to endorse harris but he absolutely did torpedo the hell out of her with that garbage comment.

Obama Held back to see what the public reaction was not because he was indecisive. Had the public utterly rejected or freaked out then Obama would have been in a position to step forward and say wait a sec, as the great savior of the party I've object and demand that we have a mini primary.

Never doubt that these guys play chess. But like I said there were a number of huge problems with having a mini primary a month before the nomination. Massive problems that would have been extremely difficult to overcome and everybody knew it. This was their only reasonable choice, but they kept an ace in the whole just in case it went completely sideways on them.

By the way, Pelosi lies a lot    

I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't buy the Obama waited for the public reaction argument especially given piglosi's admission they weren't expecting the announcement. Waiting for public opinion isnt playing chess. Trying to figure out your next best move in response to a surprise move by your opponent is.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't buy the Obama waited for the public reaction argument especially given piglosi's admission they weren't expecting the announcement. Waiting for public opinion isnt playing chess. Trying to figure out your next best move in response to a surprise move by your opponent is.  

Don't forget the Pelosi also claims that Joe is a hero because he stepped down of his own accord and made the choice to do the right thing on his own and stepped down for the good of the country. When we know with certainty it was a phone call she had threatening Biden that made him step down.

You have to kind of understand the situation they were in. A primary process had already been held. Biden had been democratically nominated. They knew full well that there was very likely going to be massive backlash for setting aside the will of the people and just doing whatever they wanted.

So rather than make it look like some sort of Palace coup everyone pretended it was joe's idea all along, pelosi acted like promoting harris was Joe's idea and Obama pretended to be reluctantly talked into it. 

That could have gone the other way very easily. There could have been a huge backlash among democrats who were angry that their choice was set aside by the party.

 

And in the end they really had no choice. There was really no choice but Kamala. If you look at any other process to try and get a nominee you run into massive problems both practical and political as well as legal. Long before it was announced the pundits were already saying that harris was the only actual choice that could be considered.

But sure, Pelosi was shocked and  obama had to be talked into it.   

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, Legato said:

Joe probably voted for Trump.

Yes why do you think he messed up calling Trump supporters as garbage just few days before election day.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes why do you think he messed up calling Trump supporters as garbage just few days before election day.

He must have just relished the opportunity. It hurt Kamala in so many ways it was a genius move. All the democrats think he's right so they couldn't blame him for his accidental "Slip of the tongue". But the democrats had just managed to get a little bit of traction on something negative that they were trying to sell as a big deal and this took the wind out of their sails entirely. They could no longer claim that somehow trump had called Puerto Ricans garbage when their own guy had literally directly called Americans garbage. And they're strange attempt to claim that he actually meant supporter's with an apostrophe Rather than supporters in general got zero traction. 

So it completely took the winds out of their attack on trump, and reminded everybody of the deplorables comment and what the democrats really think of Americans who disagree with them and handed trump a scandal instead.

A very devastating blow with complete deniability built in