American College of Pediatricians demands that people follow the science and stop gender affirmation in kids - states there are two sexes.

[Black Dog]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So just to recap - YOU"VE never heard of the group so therefore you can guarantee i haven't, but you can't explain why that would matter. They're still doctors and this is still their opinions

I had heard of the group before that's how i knew they were a fringe astroturf org while you thought they were legit.

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You assume anyone who disagrees with you is an 'anti vax nut job' which has nothing to do with this thread, and therefore i don't care about people's credentials because somehow that's the same thing?

No being an antivaxx nutjob would track with the rest of your beliefs which are just whatever today's right wing kant is. I'm sure I'm right I simply can't be arsed to look.

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You lied about what their statement is to try to make it easier to argue and you still can't come up with an argument?

I literally posted the text of their statement you silly dry twat.

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You can't provide any evidence of what you say but europe and experts in canada and some in the states disagree with you, but you insist you're right, 

I'm right because no European country has banned gender affirming care or social affirmation. For example, here's the Cass Reviews recommendation on social transition:

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When families/carers are making decisions about social transition of pre-pubertal children, services should ensure that they can be seen as early as possible by a clinical professional with relevant experience.

 

 

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And you're so afraid of me that you wish i was dead.     LOLOL!

 

Afraid? Why would I be afraid of you? You're just some loser who spends the entirety of his empty life on a message board. Getting hit by a bus would be doing you a favour

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Well - thanks for that big guy    It's always nice to get confirmation that someone actually is a stupid as they seem to be   

Touch grass, pu$$y.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I had heard of the group before that's how i knew they were a fringe astroturf org while you thought they were legit.

No being an antivaxx nutjob would track with the rest of your beliefs which are just whatever today's right wing kant is. I'm sure I'm right I simply can't be arsed to look.

I literally posted the text of their statement you silly dry twat.

I'm right because no European country has banned gender affirming care or social affirmation. For example, here's the Cass Reviews recommendation on social transition:

 

Afraid? Why would I be afraid of you? You're just some loser who spends the entirety of his empty life on a message board. Getting hit by a bus would be doing you a favour

Touch grass, pu$$y.

LOL  liar  

And the only thing you know about my beliefs is that i don't agree lockstep with you. That's all you need to know about anyone, you assume the rest. 

And sorry but you added to the text with your own opinons of their opinion. 

And you're still wrong. Most countries have banned gender affirming care for youth.  But of course you know that so you try to lie and make it gender affirming care in GENERAL not just for youth which nobody is calling for, and throw in social care which also nobody is calling for. 

 

Hey kid. I've said it many times.  If you have to lie to make your point you haven't got a very good point.

The policies in europe AND expert opinon in canada are all moving this way - gender affirming medical care for kids is a huge mistake and is being banned. 

Your weird hate based assumptions about my position on the vaccine doesn't really come into it.  Vaxxed and boosted personally btw, not a requirement for work either. 

[Black Dog]

On 6/13/2024 at 3:48 PM, CdnFox said:

And sorry but you added to the text with your own opinons of their opinion. 

lmao what. I didn't "add" anything to the text.

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And you're still wrong. Most countries have banned gender affirming care for youth. 

Nope.

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But of course you know that so you try to lie and make it gender affirming care in GENERAL not just for youth which nobody is calling for

I never made that claim. 

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, and throw in social care which also nobody is calling for. 

Except this group of religious whackos masquerading as scientists.

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The policies in europe AND expert opinon in canada are all moving this way - gender affirming medical care for kids is a huge mistake and is being banned. 

No, they're restricting access to some things, not banning them outright as you claim. NHS England is limiting access to puberty blockers but those currently on them can still receive them, you can still get them from private clinics and they will still give them to those participating in clinical trials. If they had banned them, no one would be able to get them.n Because that's what "ban" means, stupid.

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

lmao what. I didn't "add" anything to the text.

Ya did. 

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Nope.

Yep. Turns out the science is against it. 

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I never made that claim. 

Sure you did. You specifically changed  it to 'all gender affirming care', not just in youth. 

 

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Except this group of religious whackos masquerading as scientists.

You mean certified medical processionals?  And which medical school did you attend?

And of course there's all those european 'whackos'  who are doctors and researchers, plus the top Canadian one too, she must be a 'wacko' as well. 

You're just another denier. When you don't like the science you ignore it. 

 

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No, they're restricting access to some things, not banning them outright as you claim. NHS England is limiting access to puberty blockers but those currently on them can still receive them,

Sure, if they already screwed up and let you take them there's no point in stopping half way through.  But all of europe is realizing that was a mistake. 

As i said there may be some case where for that specific case it's necessary but everything these people claimed is correct and the science today is DO NOT TRANSITION CHILDREN. 

Sorry that hurts your echo-chamber bias, would you like me to get you a band aid for your  boo boo?

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Ya did. 

Prove it dickface.

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Sure you did. You specifically changed  it to 'all gender affirming care', not just in youth. 

Here's what I wrote back on page one when I first posted about these God-botherers' position being out of step with the consensus.

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The ACP's goes much further, calling for a total ban on any form of gender affirming care for young people, including social affirmation, which is not a medical intervention:

“It is time that these American medical institutions follow the science and the lead of our European professional colleagues and cease to promote protocols that harm children, including the promotion of social affirmation, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgeries for children and adolescents who experience distress over their biological sex.”

 

Have you ever considered not being a total suck ass?

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You mean certified medical processionals?  And which medical school did you attend?

And of course there's all those european 'whackos'  who are doctors and researchers, plus the top Canadian one too, she must be a 'wacko' as well. 

You're just another denier. When you don't like the science you ignore it. 

The scientific consensus is that there needs to be further study and research into the efficacy and safety of treatments like hormones and puberty blockers in youth. Your pet bible thumpers want it all banned completely. You can't provide a single example of a country that has banned all gender affirming care for youth because no one has done that.

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Sure, if they already screwed up and let you take them there's no point in stopping half way through.  But all of europe is realizing that was a mistake. 

 

Weird why'd you cut off the part where I pointed out puberty blockers and hormones are still available privately and through clinical trials, is that because it shows that they haven't banned any of that stuff like you said they did, thus proving you to be a lying turd yet again?

[CdnFox]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Prove it dickface.

ahh- back to fantasizing about dicks again i see.  Anyway, your words are there for anyone to see. 

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Here's what I wrote back on page one when I first posted about these God-botherers' position being out of step with the consensus.

Sure, then you started to lose and suddenly the 'young people' part got removed in later replies.  I pointed it out clearly.

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Have you ever considered not being a total suck ass?

Will you PLEASE stop thinking about getting your ass sucked and focus on the conversation for a change? Yeash - if you can't find a boyfriend rent one but leave us out of it

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The scientific consensus is that there needs to be further study and research into the efficacy and safety of treatments like hormones and puberty blockers in youth. 

The consensus is that it should stop immediately.  Future research may shed additional light on things but they are noting that there are real harms to proceeding as has been. 

That's the science kiddo.  They're saying 'don't do it". 

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Weird why'd you cut off the part where I pointed out puberty blockers and hormones are still available privately and through clinical trials,

Not really - there will always be medical research and trials and as i did note there are SOME cases where it may make sense for various reasons. 

Weird you'd skip THAT

BUt by and large - nope.  No more mutilating children. 

[Black Dog]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ahh- back to fantasizing about dicks again i see.  Anyway, your words are there for anyone to see. 

Yes I know, I just posted them again and it shows you're wrong.

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Sure, then you started to lose and suddenly the 'young people' part got removed in later replies.  I pointed it out clearly.

Yeah because in the context of the conversation it was clear that we were talking about services and care for youth. But I forgot that you're retarded and need everything spelled out in crayon.

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Will you PLEASE stop thinking about getting your ass sucked and focus on the conversation for a change? Yeash - if you can't find a boyfriend rent one but leave us out of it

Can you please just have a refreshing nap in the garage with the engine running?

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The consensus is that it should stop immediately.  Future research may shed additional light on things but they are noting that there are real harms to proceeding as has been. 

That's the science kiddo.  They're saying 'don't do it". 

Then why aren't they actually banning it like you claimed and your pet Jesus freaks demand, dipshit? Holy f*ck you're dumb.

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Not really - there will always be medical research and trials and as i did note there are SOME cases where it may make sense for various reasons. 

Weird you'd skip THAT

Are they allowing it in some case or are they banning it, you really need to make up your crack-addled mind.

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BUt by and large - nope.  No more mutilating children. 

 

Oh you mean that thing that basically doesn't happen as it is?

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yes I know, I just posted them again and it shows you're wrong.

 

no, you posted earlier ones and proved nothing.  As i posted above, you changed your tune when you started to lose. 

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Yeah because in the context of the conversation it was clear that we were talking about services and care for youth. 

SO one line later you admit you DID do it but claim that it's because 'context'.  Kid - i'm no where near as stupid as you are,  i can see through that crap pretty easy   You tried to expand your reference because you coudln't argue the one  you had.  Just like you trying to go from gender affirming care to how they dress. 

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Can you please just have a refreshing nap in the garage with the engine running?

Awwww - i've made you cry again. There there little fella, no need to wish others dead. 

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Then why aren't they actually banning it like you claimed and your pet Jesus freaks demand, dipshit? Holy f*ck you're dumb.

They did - but they allow exceptions.  Just like canada bans machine guns, but there are exceptions for military and movies. Pretty simple.

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Oh you mean that thing that basically doesn't happen as it is?

well it's not any more anyway    Much to  your displeasure i see.  You seem to be firmly in the 'pro-mutilation' camp

[Black Dog]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

no, you posted earlier ones and proved nothing.  As i posted above, you changed your tune when you started to lose. 

I didn't "change my tune", nor did I "lose." You're utterly delusional.

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SO one line later you admit you DID do it but claim that it's because 'context'.  Kid - i'm no where near as stupid as you are,  i can see through that crap pretty easy   You tried to expand your reference because you coudln't argue the one  you had. 

No, I just didn't feel the need to put the word "youth" in front of "gender affirming care" every single time because it was abundantly clear from the context that was what was being discussed. Does your mom still cut off the crusts on your pb&js because you can't be trusted around sharp objects, you stupe?

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Just like you trying to go from gender affirming care to how they dress. 

LOl I didn't bring that up, your jesus freaks did when they talked about banning social transitions. Cope.

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Awwww - i've made you cry again. There there little fella, no need to wish others dead. 

There is though.

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They did - but they allow exceptions.  Just like canada bans machine guns, but there are exceptions for military and movies. Pretty simple.

lol holy **** this is the most retarded analogy I've ever seen. 

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well it's not any more anyway    Much to  your displeasure i see.  You seem to be firmly in the 'pro-mutilation' camp

It never was despite your freaks constantly fantasizing about the "healthy breasts" of young girls.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I didn't "change my tune", nor did I "lose." You're utterly delusional.

You did both, but it's very common of you to try and deny it after the fact even though it's obvious to everyone

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No, I just didn't feel the need to put the word "youth" in front of "gender affirming care" every single time because it was abundantly clear from the context that was what was being discussed. Does your mom still cut off the crusts on your pb&js because you can't be trusted around sharp objects, you stupe?

On top of it you also went from children to everyone AND also threw in 'dressing kids up' instead of gender affirming medical care.

You were losing your argument so you tried to expand the definitions in the hopes that you would be able to claim victory if you made things broad enough.

It says obvious as it is childish.

 

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LOl I didn't bring that up, your jesus freaks did when they talked about banning social transitions. Cope.

I didn't mention it once   That must have been the voices in your head.

 

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There is though.

Reasons to wish people were dead? I'm sure it must feel that way. Both Psychopaths and small children frequently look at solutions like that to adult problems. They haven't got the capacity for reason or dialogue. Sounds like you've got the same problem.

 

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lol holy **** this is the most retarded analogy I've ever seen. 

It's important to write for your audience, and seeing as I was responding to you I was going for extra retarded just so you'd be able to follow along  

However it's also completely true. There are many things that are banned but for which we have exceptions. That doesn't mean they're not banned, it just means there's some exceptions.

 

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It never was despite your freaks constantly fantasizing about the "healthy breasts" of young girls.

Well of course it was. And the only one fantasizing about cutting off healthy breasts is you. The rest of us just think it's a bad idea.

[Black Dog]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You did both, but it's very common of you to try and deny it after the fact even though it's obvious to everyone

It's very common of you to lie about this stuff. You're doing that here.

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On top of it you also went from children to everyone AND also threw in 'dressing kids up' instead of gender affirming medical care.

You were losing your argument so you tried to expand the definitions in the hopes that you would be able to claim victory if you made things broad enough.

It says obvious as it is childish.

 

Lol this is pathetic scrambling. The exchange is up there in black and white dumbass. none of what you say here happened.

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I didn't mention it once   That must have been the voices in your head.

I didn't say you did you illiterate shitstain.

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Reasons to wish people were dead? I'm sure it must feel that way. Both Psychopaths and small children frequently look at solutions like that to adult problems. They haven't got the capacity for reason or dialogue. Sounds like you've got the same problem.

Your life is empty, your job is a dead-end (why else are you posting hundreds of times a day here?) and the only way you get attention is by having strangers insult you on the internet, so when I say you should kill yourself, it's out of consideration for those facts and you'd be better off. 

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It's important to write for your audience, and seeing as I was responding to you I was going for extra retarded just so you'd be able to follow along  

lol you're the guy in the meme.

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However it's also completely true. There are many things that are banned but for which we have exceptions. That doesn't mean they're not banned, it just means there's some exceptions.

And if the exceptions are broad enough, the term banned no longer applies. 

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Well of course it was. And the only one fantasizing about cutting off healthy breasts is you. The rest of us just think it's a bad idea.

It was not. Bottom surgery is already prohibited for under 18s nationally and top surgery for minors with gender dysphoria is virtually unheard of. You'll have to take your fantasies elsewhere, bucko.

[Guest]

On 6/13/2024 at 3:37 PM, Black Dog said:

Getting hit by a bus would be doing you a favour

Most would check if the bus was okay, if you were hit. >_<

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Your life is empty, your job is a dead-end (why else are you posting hundreds of times a day here?) and the only way you get attention is by having strangers insult you on the internet, so when I say you should kill yourself, it's out of consideration for those facts and you'd be better off. 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/12/2024 at 8:27 AM, BeaverFever said:

I don’t have a dog in the gender identity fight but I’ll point out that ACPeds is not the professional body of paediatricians, it is a conservative anti-LGBTQ group founded in 2002, The group’s name is meant to give it the appearance of impartiality when in fact it is not. The SPLC has designated as a “hate group”. 

You're right.  Though the SPLC designates everyone as a "hate group".

[Black Dog]

59 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I thought you put me on ignore? Shouldn't you be busy joylessly pumping away at your wife while trying to keep your lunch down from having to ew have sex ew gross.

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Most would check if the bus was okay, if you were hit. >_<

Silence sexual deviant.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

It's very common of you to lie about this stuff. You're doing that here.

Sure kid   hell i'd be embarrased about half the things you say, it's no wonder you deny it. 

 

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Lol this is pathetic scrambling. The exchange is up there in black and white dumbass. none of what you say here happened.

Denial - not just a river in egypt    Of course it did.  It's just sad you're like this. 

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I didn't say you did you illiterate shitstain.

Sure you did.  Check the post above, i quoted you.

In fact it wasn't anyone else who even brought it up - it was you. 

 

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Your life is empty, your job is a dead-end (why else are you posting hundreds of times a day here?) and the only way you get attention is by having strangers insult you on the internet, so when I say you should kill yourself, it's out of consideration for those facts and you'd be better off. 

ROFLMAO!!! I love that you spend your time fantasizing about what my life must be like   Holy shit i must live rent free in your head   

And wrong on all counts actually. And the main reason i come here is to laugh at mentally incompetent droolers like you   it's frikkin hilarious to watch you flail  

 

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And if the exceptions are broad enough, the term banned no longer applies. 

That's pretty stupid.  "THIS THING IS BANNED EXCEPT IN THESE CASES:"  ....   no matter how long the list the thing is banned.  

And in this case it's a very short list. 

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It was not. Bottom surgery is already prohibited for under 18s nationally and top surgery for minors with gender dysphoria is virtually unheard of. You'll have to take your fantasies elsewhere, bucko.

Nope, it wasn't banned, especially in Canada, AND hormone treatment still permanently destroys their reproductive organs so they can never have kids.  That's mutilation as well.

Sorry kiddo -  The world has realized your "pro mutilation" ideology is just horrible and they're putting a stop to it. 

[Black Dog]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure kid   hell i'd be embarrased about half the things you say, it's no wonder you deny it. 

It's really tiresome how every exchange with you follows the same script of you lying and pretending you didn't ad nauseam.

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Denial - not just a river in egypt    Of course it did.  It's just sad you're like this. 

Sure you did.  Check the post above, i quoted you.

lol no you're unhinged and confused. You haven't quoted me once. Yes you put some words in quotes above but i never wrote them. The only person who has used the phrases "how they dress" or "dressing kids up" in this thread is you. You can't quote me directly here because you're lying about what I said, either intentionally or, more likely, because you lost the thread of the conversation and are too stupid to pick it up again.

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In fact it wasn't anyone else who even brought it up - it was you. 

Yes I quoted the APed-whatevers' statement to show how far removed their position is from the mainstream. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make anymore, only that you're failing miserably in doing so.

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ROFLMAO!!! I love that you spend your time fantasizing about what my life must be like   Holy shit i must live rent free in your head   

And wrong on all counts actually. And the main reason i come here is to laugh at mentally incompetent droolers like you   it's frikkin hilarious to watch you flail  

 

I don't have to fantasize, your post count and time spent tells the story.

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That's pretty stupid.  "THIS THING IS BANNED EXCEPT IN THESE CASES:"  ....   no matter how long the list the thing is banned.  

And in this case it's a very short list. 

 

"No matter how long the list" is very funny and very stupid because if the list is long enough a ban is no longer a ban in any practical sense of the word.

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Nope, it wasn't banned, especially in Canada,  

 

Show me one province that permits bottom surgeries to people under 18. 

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AND hormone treatment still permanently destroys their reproductive organs so they can never have kids.  That's mutilation as well.

Sorry kiddo -  The world has realized your "pro mutilation" ideology is just horrible and they're putting a stop to it.

 

This is also not true. You should consider a new hobby because you are terrible at this one.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

It's really tiresome how every exchange with you follows the same script of you lying and pretending you didn't ad nauseam.

Ahhh yes, the old liberal trick of accusing others of what you yourself do. 

I've got no problem standing by what i say, it's you and others who can't make a clear argument (like moonbox) who have to try to rewrite what you say constantly as your arguments fail. 

19 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

ol no you're unhinged and confused. You haven't quoted me once

I literally quote you in every single reply. I quoted you in the very thread you just quoted me from. Line by line.  

SIgh,  Well there's whatever credibility you had left out the window  

So to keep it simple, Like most left-wing losers you can't cope when it turns out one of your ideas is trash. So now you're going to make up stupid shit about how I never quote you and that you didn't say what you very clearly said.

And whenever you lose a discussion you have weird fantasies about me and asses and other strange gay imagery that gets oddly specific.

You wound up looking stupid again because you chose to argue your feelings rather than the facts. The fact is that these people are qualified doctors. The fact is they are correct. The fact is most of Europe is realizing their correct and Even Canada's  top people Are saying we're going too far too fast.

Transitioning children with gender affirming medical treatments is wrong. It is the female circumcision of this century. It is evil and you are on the wrong side of history. But because of your ideology you so desperately want to be right that all you can do is flail around and talk about asses and deny things you'd already said

Sorry the truth brain damage is you so much. Best of luck with that

[Black Dog]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh yes, the old liberal trick of accusing others of what you yourself do. 

I've got no problem standing by what i say, it's you and others who can't make a clear argument (like moonbox) who have to try to rewrite what you say constantly as your arguments fail. 

Projection.

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I literally quote you in every single reply. I quoted you in the very thread you just quoted me from. Line by line.  

SIgh,  Well there's whatever credibility you had left out the window  

 

LOL pathetic. You don't even know what you're arguing.

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So to keep it simple, Like most left-wing losers you can't cope when it turns out one of your ideas is trash. So now you're going to make up stupid shit about how I never quote you and that you didn't say what you very clearly said.

I didn't. You're lying. As usual. If you weren't, you'd produce the relevant quote, but you don't and never do. Because you're a liar.

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And whenever you lose a discussion you have weird fantasies about me and asses and other strange gay imagery that gets oddly specific.

Whenever you lose, which is often, you turn on a firehose of b.s., with zero actual citations, just like you're doing here.

-no cites for European countries that have banned all gender affirming medical care for youth

-no cites for European countries that have banned social transitioning for youth

-no cites for provinces that allow bottom surgery for minors

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You wound up looking stupid again because you chose to argue your feelings rather than the facts. The fact is that these people are qualified doctors. The fact is they are correct. The fact is most of Europe is realizing their correct and Even Canada's  top people Are saying we're going too far too fast.

The only person looking stupid here is you simping for these retarded Jesus freaks just because they wear white labcoats. i've already pointed out how much further these psychos want to go than even the current European consensus but you're too much of a slobbering dope to understand.

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Transitioning children with gender affirming medical treatments is wrong. It is the female circumcision of this century. It is evil and you are on the wrong side of history. But because of your ideology you so desperately want to be right that all you can do is flail around and talk about asses and deny things you'd already said

Sorry the truth brain damage is you so much. Best of luck with that

 

Even if that were the case, why are you simping for a bunch of Jesus freaks who want to ban social transition, which i snot a medical treatment, loser?

Anyway, "transitioning children with gender affirming medical treatments" is a Macguffin and a moral panic.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Projection.

Ah, the battle cry of every loser lefty when their faults are pointed out  

I'll paraphrase the rest of your comments to save some time:

WAHH WAAAAHHH YOU MADE ME CRY YOU"RE SO MEAN WAAAAAAAHHH   

-Blackdog 

sorry kid, europe has figured out that this is a bad idea, canadian experts agree, and these American medical professionals agree. And all of that has actually been posted here before. It's easy enough to look up

And it has nothing to do with simping for the religious types. I honestly, genuinely, sincerely, actually believe that it is extremely harmful to children and is morally wrong. Someone who's older, even a young adult like maybe 16 or something, that's a different story. Certainly by the time the kid is 18 they absolutely have that right to make that decision and I fully support making sure they have that option available should they choose to.

For me this is about children. In Canada especially they've allowed puberty blockers and other gender affirming treatments that cannot be reversed to very young children and certainly by the time they are 12 it's been happening there are specific clinics for it. I just truly believe it's wrong. It's not a political or religious thing for me

[Black Dog]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ah, the battle cry of every loser lefty when their faults are pointed out  

I'll paraphrase the rest of your comments to save some time:

WAHH WAAAAHHH YOU MADE ME CRY YOU"RE SO MEAN WAAAAAAAHHH   

-Blackdog 

You can tell your sputtering out because this is what you've been reduced to (not that the bar was very high).Truly pathetic stuff.

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sorry kid, europe has figured out that this is a bad idea, canadian experts agree, and these American medical professionals agree. And all of that has actually been posted here before. It's easy enough to look up

And yet you can't provide a single citation from any jurdistiction, European or even a lunatic red states, that have gone as far as your pet Jesus freaks demand. 

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And it has nothing to do with simping for the religious types. I honestly, genuinely, sincerely, actually believe that it is extremely harmful to children and is morally wrong. Someone who's older, even a young adult like maybe 16 or something, that's a different story. Certainly by the time the kid is 18 they absolutely have that right to make that decision and I fully support making sure they have that option available should they choose to.

Well the good news is the stuff you'e upset about isn't actually happening at scale but you're too dumb to grasp that. 

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For me this is about children. In Canada especially they've allowed puberty blockers and other gender affirming treatments that cannot be reversed to very young children and certainly by the time they are 12 it's been happening there are specific clinics for it. I just truly believe it's wrong. It's not a political or religious thing for me

I'd ask for a cite here but we know how that will go.