They want our oil

[newbie]

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P138885.asp

[Shakeyhands]

SURPRISE, SURPRISE....

[rbacon]

And I for one Albertan am very glad they do want Alberta oil. I haven't ran into one Albertan yet who does not appreciate our good fortune in having this oil belong to the people of Alberta and the good fortune to be next door to our fine southern neighbours, friends and relatives the Americans who will buy every drop of it that we can sell them all at fair market world price. Of course this will cause some consternation in Eastern Canada, because the power and wealth has migrated to Alberta and the New West. God Bless America and Alberta.

[Drea]

I agree rbacon.

I want the US to buy our oil. Better to buy it from us than from the middle east.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

May the Annunaki bless Canada, Alberta and the Americans that buy our oil and help keep our economy strong!

[shoop]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

[tml12]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

Shoop,

Stop trying to insult your opponents with *facts*

[Slavik44]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

Pfftt....as long as harper keeps the not with standing clause we will do what we like with the constitution.

[Riverwind]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil.

I love how right-wing free market types sound almost like communists when it comes to Alberta and its oil.

[geoffrey]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil.

I love how right-wing free market types sound almost like communists when it comes to Alberta and its oil.

Agreed. It's the oil rights I lease as a free-marketeer entreprenuer from the ugly beaucracy called the EUB?

(Better Sparhawk?)

Either way... its good for everyone if the US buys our oil, the faster the better. Yeehaw!

[tml12]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil.

I love how right-wing free market types sound almost like communists when it comes to Alberta and its oil.

Agreed. It's the oil rights I lease as a free-marketeer entreprenuer from the ugly beaucracy called the EUB?

(Better Sparhawk?)

Either way... its good for everyone if the US buys our oil, the faster the better. Yeehaw!

Of course they want our oil. They want (or will want) our water soon too.

And I say let's work out a deal and get something in return instead of bitching about "sovereignty."

Mulrooney was not a flawless PM and he was not one of my favourites but in all honesty, the one thing the guy understood was by working with/serving as an international bridge to the U.S. you get more done FOR CANADA than socialist Liberal pseudo-sovereign rights smugness.

[shoop]

Right indeed. I wonder where Canada would be if Turner had won in 1988...

Very tough to argue we would be in anywhere near as good a position as we are in now.

Mulroney was not a flawless PM and he was not one of my favourites but in all honesty, the one thing the guy understood was by working with/serving as an international bridge to the U.S. you get more done FOR CANADA than socialist Liberal pseudo-sovereign rights smugness.

ps, slavik I couldn't really tell if you were serious. Regardless, the notwithstanding clause wouldn't have any bearing on the way a province governs its natural resources.

[Riverwind]

Of course they want our oil. They want (or will want) our water soon too.

Water is a dangerous commodity to trade. Once you commit to provide it you can't alter the agreements even if your own people suffer extreme hardship because of the deal. It is best to tell the Americans that they will have to make do with the considerable water resources they already have but do a poor job of managing.

[newbie]

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

The last guy that said that was Trudeau. And you know what happened to the NEP. The thing I worry about is that when the U.S. enters a transaction, they tend to do it only if they get the better deal or upper hand. That's been their tradition.

[geoffrey]

Of course they want our oil. They want (or will want) our water soon too.

Water is a dangerous commodity to trade. Once you commit to provide it you can't alter the agreements even if your own people suffer extreme hardship because of the deal. It is best to tell the Americans that they will have to make do with the considerable water resources they already have but do a poor job of managing.

Your right Sparhawk. I would be very concerned with selling water, which is going to become a very valuable commodity, to anyone in a long-term arrangement. I can't see how Canada can enter into an agreement on the water commodity issue past 10-years, without exposing ourselves to shortage or very high financial exploitation/risk.

[tml12]

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

The last guy that said that was Trudeau. And you know what happened to the NEP. The thing I worry about is that when the U.S. enters a transaction, they tend to do it only if they get the better deal or upper hand. That's been their tradition.

Of course. And why shouldn't it? If I were PM, I would want to do what's best for my country, regardless who I was entering into agreement with. Even Ontario, with has the most residents who call themselves "Canadians" before Ontarians" (not surprising after 12 years of the Libs though), looks for the better end of their deals with Ottawa.

So now I say, of course the U.S. is going to look for a good end to the deal regardless of Canada. But a "good faith" negotiation shouldn't be impossible. Look, when Martin took over in early 2004, Bush invited him to the Crawford Ranch. Bush knew Martin and he disagreed on many domestic issues and perhaps Middle East issues as well, but he understood the need for good bilateral relations.

I'll never forget the Secretary of State during the Reagan years saying, "I used to hate when the president would get a call from Thatcher or Mulrooney...they'd get Reagan to do whatever they wanted!"

Think about it...the U.S. isn't preparing to invade us. But if we piss them off, instead of working with them in our common interests, I think the consequences could be dire.

[margrace]

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

The last guy that said that was Trudeau. And you know what happened to the NEP. The thing I worry about is that when the U.S. enters a transaction, they tend to do it only if they get the better deal or upper hand. That's been their tradition.

Of course. And why shouldn't it? If I were PM, I would want to do what's best for my country, regardless who I was entering into agreement with. Even Ontario, with has the most residents who call themselves "Canadians" before Ontarians" (not surprising after 12 years of the Libs though), looks for the better end of their deals with Ottawa.

So now I say, of course the U.S. is going to look for a good end to the deal regardless of Canada. But a "good faith" negotiation shouldn't be impossible. Look, when Martin took over in early 2004, Bush invited him to the Crawford Ranch. Bush knew Martin and he disagreed on many domestic issues and perhaps Middle East issues as well, but he understood the need for good bilateral relations.

I'll never forget the Secretary of State during the Reagan years saying, "I used to hate when the president would get a call from Thatcher or Mulrooney...they'd get Reagan to do whatever they wanted!"

Think about it...the U.S. isn't preparing to invade us. But if we piss them off, instead of working with them in our common interests, I think the consequences could be dire.

Sound great for today but what happens to Alberta when the oil runs out, what will your kids or grandchildren live on. The oil boom that is driving the ecomomy in their north is only expected to last 5 years.

[Slavik44]

ps, slavik I couldn't really tell if you were serious. Regardless, the notwithstanding clause wouldn't have any bearing on the way a province governs its natural resources.

No, I am not being serioius just thinking we introduce legislation claiming that natural resources belong to the federal government.

[Drea]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

And how many Albertans are really "Albertans" and how many have moved to Alberta from the rest of the country?

I'm a true-blue BC'er born and bred (and will never move) -- yet I don't believe every tree felled benefits only BCers, but the country as a whole.

I guess BCers aren't as "hoggish" with their resource, eh.

And Sask's grain and corn sales, benefit the whole country. Geez, funny how Albertans are the only ones who come across as so greedy "It's OUR oil! Not one drop will benefit an eeeevil Ontarian!"

[margrace]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

And how many Albertans are really "Albertans" and how many have moved to Alberta from the rest of the country?

I'm a true-blue BC'er born and bred (and will never move) -- yet I don't believe every tree felled benefits only BCers, but the country as a whole.

I guess BCers aren't as "hoggish" with their resource, eh.

And Sask's grain and corn sales, benefit the whole country. Geez, funny how Albertans are the only ones who come across as so greedy "It's OUR oil! Not one drop will benefit an eeeevil Ontarian!"

Ah Drea and it would be interesting to know where they buy items such as their cars.

[shoop]

So anybody who has immigrated to this country isn't a true-blue Canadian then?

I don't see BC voluntarily sharing extra money from the income it receives for stumpage fees with the other provinces. What exactly is your point?

And how many Albertans are really "Albertans" and how many have moved to Alberta from the rest of the country?

I'm a true-blue BC'er born and bred (and will never move) -- yet I don't believe every tree felled benefits only BCers, but the country as a whole.

I guess BCers aren't as "hoggish" with their resource, eh.

And Sask's grain and corn sales, benefit the whole country. Geez, funny how Albertans are the only ones who come across as so greedy "It's OUR oil! Not one drop will benefit an eeeevil Ontarian!"

[Drea]

So anybody who has immigrated to this country isn't a true-blue Canadian then?

No, that is not what I meant -- I am a proud British Columbian who DOES NOT believe that I am "better" than the rest of the people in the country by virtue of where I popped out of my mother's womb. Or that I'm "better" because I found a job somewhere. Does the Quebecker whose working in the oilfields think of himself as an chest puffed-out Albertan? Or perhaps he's just socking money away to send to his family in Quebec (and thus not benefitting Alberta at all!)

I don't see BC voluntarily sharing extra money from the income it receives for stumpage fees with the other provinces. What exactly is your point?

LOL People in Canada build houses with wood from BC. People drive cars built in Ontario, with fuel made from crude found in Alberta. We all share in our resources. We all live in a country called Canada (Albera is NOT a seperate country btw). Heck I buy Altantic salmon for my dinner table too!

I, by virtue of my birth, live in BC -- that certainly does not make me better than anyone else. Just lucky!

[fellowtraveller]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

Oh-oh, not so fast!!! Here is an excerpt from the Alberta Act of 1905 which specifically retains control of all resources -including oil- with the Federal Government!

"21. All Crown lands, mines and minerals and royalties incident thereto, and the interest of the Crown in the waters within the province under The North-west Irrigation Act, 1898, shall continue to be vested in the Crown and administered by the Government of Canada for the purposes of Canada, subject to the provisions of any Act of the Parliament of Canada with respect to road allowances and roads or trails in force immediately before the coming into force of this Act, which shall apply to the said province with the substitution therein of the said province for the North-west Territories. "

source

But that isn't the end of the story......plucky Alberta gets back all the oil later! Of course, this is a right that Olde Canada enjoyed from Day One.....

[fellowtraveller]

Alberta regained control of its resources (a right already enjoyed by the rest of Olde Canada) in the 1930s, through the vigourous lobbying of AB Premier Brownlee, an unsung hero in Alberta.

Brownlee's government was successful in negotiating a degree of control of Alberta's natural resources from the federal government, an achievement that became historically significant when oil was discovered at Leduc in 1947.

a Western hero. His nickname was not 'The Duke".

[margrace]

Ahhh, it is Alberta's oil. See we have this littlet hing called the "constitution". Which decides what belongs to the Federal Government and what belongs to the provinces.

From Constituion Act 1867 - s. 92A

(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to

(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;

(b development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and

© development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.

Sorry Drea. The law is the law.

BTW, it's not ALBERTA'S oil -- we live in a country, all together -- it's called Canada

No one answered my question, what happens when the oil and jobs run out. I have heard predictions of job only lasting five years. Isn't this what is wrong with the people we put into power. Instant Gratification and no long term plans.

Oh-oh, not so fast!!! Here is an excerpt from the Alberta Act of 1905 which specifically retains control of all resources -including oil- with the Federal Government!

"21. All Crown lands, mines and minerals and royalties incident thereto, and the interest of the Crown in the waters within the province under The North-west Irrigation Act, 1898, shall continue to be vested in the Crown and administered by the Government of Canada for the purposes of Canada, subject to the provisions of any Act of the Parliament of Canada with respect to road allowances and roads or trails in force immediately before the coming into force of this Act, which shall apply to the said province with the substitution therein of the said province for the North-west Territories. "

source

But that isn't the end of the story......plucky Alberta gets back all the oil later! Of course, this is a right that Olde Canada enjoyed from Day One.....

[tml12]

Oil isn't the future anyway...it's going to run out soon.