Tories create committee to scrap gun registry.

[cybercoma]

Hopefully they find another program for Miramichi. Losing the gun registry scraps 200 jobs in a town with a population of 18,508. This is particularly devastating considering the 2003/04 unemployment rate for the region was near 17%.

[geoffrey]

Hopefully they find another program for Miramichi. Losing the gun registry scraps 200 jobs in a town with a population of 18,508. This is particularly devastating considering the 2003/04 unemployment rate for the region was near 17%.

Then they should move. No jobs doesn't mean you have a God given right to that land. Why do Canadians believe this.

Stop wasting hard working people's money for make work programs to encourage people to live in economically unsustainable areas. Thats all the gun registry ever did.

People that register guns don't kill others with them... some people must be so thick headed to not understand such a basic idea.

[cybercoma]

Hopefully they find another program for Miramichi. Losing the gun registry scraps 200 jobs in a town with a population of 18,508. This is particularly devastating considering the 2003/04 unemployment rate for the region was near 17%.

Then they should move. No jobs doesn't mean you have a God given right to that land. Why do Canadians believe this.

Stop wasting hard working people's money for make work programs to encourage people to live in economically unsustainable areas. Thats all the gun registry ever did.

People that register guns don't kill others with them... some people must be so thick headed to not understand such a basic idea.

Moving costs money, to have money you need a job.

[Wilber]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

Huh ! How in ell can you 'freep' the gun registry site, whatever that means.

I hear rumours that say the true cost of the gun registry is up to $4 Billion, if so, this is good news, should help kill it and keep the liberal heads down for a while .

What's $4 billion amongst friends.

"A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money."

Senator Everett Dirkson.

[shoop]

If it was just meant to be welfare to residents of the city why not run a lottery. However many *jobs* were scheduled to be created in the programme, that is how many *winners* of the lottery there should have been. Every winner would have gotten the fair market value of their house, if they owned one, plus $100,000 to move their family to an area of the country with higher employment and living expenses while finding a new job. The government would still have saved at least a billion dollars with this programme alternative.

There really is no way to justify the gun registry on any level.

Moving costs money, to have money you need a job.

[rbacon]

People like Margrace are against guns and don't own them thankfully because they have problems controlling themselves, and fear that if they had one they might harm neighbours or others. That is what is at the root of the anti-gun crowd. It is all about control. Hopefully Harper can gut this Liberal bottom feeding fish out via Order in Council and it will never even have to be debated in Parliament. C-68--Repealed by Order in Council.

[margrace]

People like Margrace are against guns and don't own them thankfully because they have problems controlling themselves, and fear that if they had one they might harm neighbours or others. That is what is at the root of the anti-gun crowd. It is all about control. Hopefully Harper can gut this Liberal bottom feeding fish out via Order in Council and it will never even have to be debated in Parliament. C-68--Repealed by Order in Council.

Same old tactics rbacon, attack the poster. Yes I certainly would attack my neighbours, NOT. I grew up with guns, I learned to hunt when I was quite young, I have nothing against hunting especially when you see the amount of deer in our area, I just believe that the police should know where all the so called legal guns are for there own safety. The cost over run is debatable and who created it is debatable.

[scribblet]

People like Margrace are against guns and don't own them thankfully because they have problems controlling themselves, and fear that if they had one they might harm neighbours or others. That is what is at the root of the anti-gun crowd. It is all about control. Hopefully Harper can gut this Liberal bottom feeding fish out via Order in Council and it will never even have to be debated in Parliament. C-68--Repealed by Order in Council.

Screams for gun control usually come from the big coercive government liberal types. Why - because liberals are not lovers of freedom they believe that the average person is simply too ignorant to be free, that they need the guidance of big brother all the time.

The registry's failure to address the criminal use of firearms and the gullibility of the general public who still support it is baffling. The registry is really another step into controling the citizens and has nothing to do

with public safety.

BTW I didn't see your post as 'attacking the poster'.

[cybercoma]

If it was just meant to be welfare to residents of the city why not run a lottery. However many *jobs* were scheduled to be created in the programme, that is how many *winners* of the lottery there should have been. Every winner would have gotten the fair market value of their house, if they owned one, plus $100,000 to move their family to an area of the country with higher employment and living expenses while finding a new job. The government would still have saved at least a billion dollars with this programme alternative.

There really is no way to justify the gun registry on any level.

Moving costs money, to have money you need a job.

I'm not justifying the gun registry. Good luck finding where I said the program should continue. What I did say is that I feel bad for the people in that area which already has high unemployment. They're looking down the barrel of close to 2% of people working there being laid off. That's going to be a huge economic blow for a region already in economic shambles.

[Wilber]

People like Margrace are against guns and don't own them thankfully because they have problems controlling themselves, and fear that if they had one they might harm neighbours or others. That is what is at the root of the anti-gun crowd. It is all about control. Hopefully Harper can gut this Liberal bottom feeding fish out via Order in Council and it will never even have to be debated in Parliament. C-68--Repealed by Order in Council.

Same old tactics rbacon, attack the poster. Yes I certainly would attack my neighbours, NOT. I grew up with guns, I learned to hunt when I was quite young, I have nothing against hunting especially when you see the amount of deer in our area, I just believe that the police should know where all the so called legal guns are for there own safety. The cost over run is debatable and who created it is debatable.

The police will never know where all the so called legal guns are because the registry does not have the support of all the owners or all the provinces. The police in my town do check the registry to see if there is a registered gun at a particular residence they are going to. It makes sense to use every resource available to them but they always assume there is a gun no matter what the registry says and as a result it has limited practical value. Certianly not enough to justify the cost. They could name a dozen areas where that money would be of more use to them.

[fixer1]

I have my guns for sport and for varmint control. I live in the country roughly 45 miles from any large city. I guess I would also have to say my guns are for my family's safety because the policing of rural areas is not wht you would call fast. There are many times during a day that police responce even to an emergency could be 30-60 minutes away. Now, yes I am a bit of a do everything myself type person, and that is because I have to be. Not so long ago most Canadians were this way because they had to be as well. Our country is not fully settled and yes there are many more wild areas then there are civilized ones. Why is it that the stuffy fat headed liberal city dwellers think that only what they want counts. Maybe if some of these panty waists would learn that sometimes being a man, is also standing up to things. Those who whine run and hide, when violence is around them, should be ashamed of them selves because if people stood up to these people, they would not be in your faces all the time. Those will say it is the job of the police to catch them, forget that police can not be everywhere. The troble is everyone is afraid to act, and that is exactly why these punks get away with all they do.

So yes I have my guns, I would never use them in a criminal way, but you can be assured that id you are my neighbour and some one is attacking you, I will be running to help you defend against thius attack. Not hiding under cover waiting for it to be over with. Yes many will say, I am crazy for getting involved, but I say I would be crazier not to. Some things are worth risking your life for. Being able to be free and feel good about my life and my beliefs is one of the things I think is worth fighting for.

The gun registry was not a problem for me at first and I registered all my guns several times. It was when time after time they kept losing the data and always asked for it to be done again and again, that I had problems with it. After 4 attempts I managed to get one gun registered and the others thye could not say it they made it to the data base. 6 months later I found that they all did make it, but they again lost the data and were asking me to register again. Well, I did comply the last time, and I mean the last time. I have all the paper worlk I did for every attempt, just so I could prove I did what I was supposed to do. Now I am glad to hear the registry will be long gone. I do not care if they have a record of my guns or not. I have all the serial numbers and they are always in a gun safe and amunition is kept in a different house safe. If they are ever stolen I can give them all the information they need if they ever find my guns to identify them. Now do I sound like I am a criminal trying to subvert attempt to have weapons?

People like Margrace who think no one needs guns except the police, are only kidding themselves. The police can not protect you all the time. You do need to have a back bone some where in you to at times stand up and take control of your own fate. When people in Toronto start tackling these gunman when they start their rampages, and stand op against the neighbourhood bullies. Then you will have safer streets. If you are waiting for the police to do it all for you, then you will have what you have now. The choice is yours. But registering law abiding people with guns is not the answer. It is like taking the roaster out of the hen house when the fox comes. Then there is no protection until the farmer comes. How many hens die while they wait for the farmer? I do not know but plain old country sense is what the city people need.

[Drea]

fixer1, do you own rifles or handguns?

If one is living rurally and need to shoot "varmints" one will usually use a rifle, not a handgun.

Handguns and automatic weapons serve only one purpose -- killing humans.

Ever try to go hunting with a handgun? (If handguns were efficient tools for hunting game, rifles would've been "outdated" many many years ago. They are quite cumbersome to handle with that looong barrel...)

Handguns should be banned -- and there should be no grandfather clause. Evey handgun should be rounded up and melted down. The only people that should carry one are the police, security guards and border agents. No one else needs one.

Rifles on the other hand are a perfecly legitimate tool.

Imagine a gangster trying to hide his long barrel shotgun in his baggy pants!

[Spike22]

I think all guns unless in the hands of authority police, military, hunters, farmers, people living in rural arteas where there are problem bears or gun club members are all that require a gun.

Me living in a downtown city are have absolutely no use or purpose for having a gun. I still do not live in fear in this country that some kook is going to go on a shooting spree in my neighbourhood (maybe in a public place like downtown Toronto).

If people on the street had a gun when that girl in TO got shot on boxing day what would have happened? Did anyone know who was shooting? Would random gunfire by citizens possessing handguns ensue? Would that have resulted in more injuries/deaths?

I think handgun ownership by other than gun club members in this country is unessessary. Your thoughts?

[fixer1]

My guns are rifles, twoo 22 cal a 3.06cal and a 20 guage shot gun. Both myself and my wife are the owners and both have been members of gun clubs for many years. I have used hand guns before to target shoot and have only taken them camping in the wilds of Alberta. The hand guns were sold a while back to a games warden that wanted them for his collection.

As for the shooting in Toronto goes it seems a shame to me that hundreds were present and no one tried to tackle the shooters. Many amy say that it would be crazy to do so, but when you have a crowd whose only purpose is to flee this stuff, you can not blame the police for not catching the shooters. If people would have tackled the guy and held him this would have been a good sign that people have had enough. When these giys see that they have no where to hide and all will turn on him. He will know his time free is short.

I have been shot at in Toronto in 1980, I had the glass t top windows of my Trans Am shot out while helping a cripple guy and his girl friend, who were being attacked by this same guy. I would do it again, if the same thing happened. Ther trouble with people today is they walk away from things saying it is not their problem. Oh and yes they got the guy who shot out the windows. The worst part of it was I was the only one who signed for charges to be laid. The Crippled guy and his girlfriend were too afraid of the guy to press charges. That is why Toronto is the way it is, nobody thinks it is their problem.

[Wilber]

The gun debate will go on forever. The question is, does the gun registry do anything to remotely justify its cost? Due to changes in law, Charter of Rights etc., the amount of paper work required from police officers in order to lay a charge has increased dramatically of the past few decades. Most of them have much more pressing things to do than harass long gun owners who have done nothing illegal other than perhaps not register their rifle or shotgun. They would much rather have that money spent on such things as more officers so they can deal with real criminals who are a real threat to society and who they are in contact with every day.

One of the Ottawa registry boosters was quoted as saying a year or so ago that "if the gun registry saved only one life it would be well worth the money". I daresay that if the entire Federal Debt of say 500 B was put into the health care system and the net result was the saving of only 250 lives, Canadians would not consider it money well spent. This is a rich country but not so rich it can blow billions on stuff that doesn't work in the name of political correctness.

[IPSC STORM]

fixer1, do you own rifles or handguns?

If one is living rurally and need to shoot "varmints" one will usually use a rifle, not a handgun.

Handguns and automatic weapons serve only one purpose -- killing humans.

Ever try to go hunting with a handgun? (If handguns were efficient tools for hunting game, rifles would've been "outdated" many many years ago. They are quite cumbersome to handle with that looong barrel...)

Handguns should be banned -- and there should be no grandfather clause. Evey handgun should be rounded up and melted down. The only people that should carry one are the police, security guards and border agents. No one else needs one.

Rifles on the other hand are a perfecly legitimate tool.

Imagine a gangster trying to hide his long barrel shotgun in his baggy pants!

Well glad I found this place.

Dreas.......... I just came home from a HANDGUN shooting competition. Today we had about 40 competitors ( 40 more tomorrow) and we fired over 6000 rounds of ammo. Guess what?? NOBODY DIED!! So your "theory" that guns are only good for killing is just crap.

As to hunting with handguns? Well you really should learn about a subject before you post about it. The TRUTH of the matter is that in many areas handgun hunting is very popular. The only reason we do not hunt with handguns in Canada is because the goverment made it illegal No other reason. There are MANY MANY handguns that are designed specifically FOR hunting.

So only the police NEED guns? Hmmmm Well well.........do you NEED your computer? I would imagine not. And since we know that child molesters are now using computers to commit crimes it is LOGICAL (by your twisted logic) that YOU should turn YOURS in.

[margrace]

I have my guns for sport and for varmint control. I live in the country roughly 45 miles from any large city. I guess I would also have to say my guns are for my family's safety because the policing of rural areas is not wht you would call fast. There are many times during a day that police responce even to an emergency could be 30-60 minutes away. Now, yes I am a bit of a do everything myself type person, and that is because I have to be. Not so long ago most Canadians were this way because they had to be as well. Our country is not fully settled and yes there are many more wild areas then there are civilized ones. Why is it that the stuffy fat headed liberal city dwellers think that only what they want counts. Maybe if some of these panty waists would learn that sometimes being a man, is also standing up to things. Those who whine run and hide, when violence is around them, should be ashamed of them selves because if people stood up to these people, they would not be in your faces all the time. Those will say it is the job of the police to catch them, forget that police can not be everywhere. The troble is everyone is afraid to act, and that is exactly why these punks get away with all they do.

Evidently I grew up in a different country than you. My Dad had guns, we lived way out in a big farming area. He was in the minority big time. Most men, farmers, in our area did not own guns and had no use for them. There were people who had licenses to hunt and trap and the farmers relied on them to get rid of the varmits. I live 100 or more miles from any large city by the way.

People like Margrace who think no one needs guns except the police, are only kidding themselves. The police can not protect you all the time. You do need to have a back bone some where in you to at times stand up and take control of your own fate. When people in Toronto start tackling these gunman when they start their rampages, and stand op against the neighbourhood bullies. Then you will have safer streets. If you are waiting for the police to do it all for you, then you will have what you have now. The choice is yours. But registering law abiding people with guns is not the answer. It is like taking the roaster out of the hen house when the fox comes. Then there is no protection until the farmer comes. How many hens die while they wait for the farmer? I do not know but plain old country sense is what the city people need.

My son took a school term with the police in our area, there was one policeman who scared the devil out of him. Sometimes we are not aware of how dangerous some of them can be.

[IPSC STORM]

My son took a school term with the police in our area, there was one policeman who scared the devil out of him. Sometimes we are not aware of how dangerous some of them can be.

Sadly you are very very correct.

Many police do not even know what the name of the firearm they are carrying is!

The local police near me just recieved their new Glock G22s.

Guess what? They have only fired them ONCE!! That is right! ONCE!!

Sure they are great people. They do a not so nice job at times but PLEASE!

I bought my 15 year old daughter a 9mm Glock 17 for Christmas and she now has 10 times the trigger time than the police in town!

Many police to not really have an interest in firearms. That is fine. BUT! If you are going to carry a gun all day long and you are legally able to SHOOT PEOPLE with it. Damn it but LEARN how to use it!

My local range takes a litteral BEATING every time the police rent our range. ( but at least they pay well and cover damages)

[gerryhatrick]

So the Conservatives are already moving to scrap the hated gun registry - link.

Good for them. A good step. Appealing to their base and showing their promises will be kept.

Does a bear shit in the woods? Who cares?

[shoop]

gerry glad to see you are back. And adding as much to the conversation as usual!

Does a bear shit in the woods? Who cares?

[tml12]

gerry glad to see you are back. And adding as much to the conversation as usual!

Does a bear shit in the woods? Who cares?

Shoop,

I second you on that.

Gerry,

My hotel's computer is really slow but I was able to find a website on polar bears...

http://www.geocities.com/mikepolarbear/faq.html#bathroom

I figure the section on "How does a bear go to the bathroom?" might be helpful.

[margrace]

I have my guns for sport and for varmint control. I live in the country roughly 45 miles from any large city. I guess I would also have to say my guns are for my family's safety because the policing of rural areas is not wht you would call fast. There are many times during a day that police responce even to an emergency could be 30-60 minutes away. Now, yes I am a bit of a do everything myself type person, and that is because I have to be. Not so long ago most Canadians were this way because they had to be as well. Our country is not fully settled and yes there are many more wild areas then there are civilized ones. Why is it that the stuffy fat headed liberal city dwellers think that only what they want counts. Maybe if some of these panty waists would learn that sometimes being a man, is also standing up to things. Those who whine run and hide, when violence is around them, should be ashamed of them selves because if people stood up to these people, they would not be in your faces all the time. Those will say it is the job of the police to catch them, forget that police can not be everywhere. The troble is everyone is afraid to act, and that is exactly why these punks get away with all they do.

Evidently I grew up in a different country than you. My Dad had guns, we lived way out in a big farming area. He was in the minority big time. Most men, farmers, in our area did not own guns and had no use for them. There were people who had licenses to hunt and trap and the farmers relied on them to get rid of the varmits. I live 100 or more miles from any large city by the way.

[Drea]

Well glad I found this place.

Dreas.......... I just came home from a HANDGUN shooting competition. Today we had about 40 competitors ( 40 more tomorrow) and we fired over 6000 rounds of ammo. Guess what?? NOBODY DIED!! So your "theory" that guns are only good for killing is just crap.

As to hunting with handguns? Well you really should learn about a subject before you post about it. The TRUTH of the matter is that in many areas handgun hunting is very popular. The only reason we do not hunt with handguns in Canada is because the goverment made it illegal No other reason. There are MANY MANY handguns that are designed specifically FOR hunting.

So only the police NEED guns? Hmmmm Well well.........do you NEED your computer? I would imagine not. And since we know that child molesters are now using computers to commit crimes it is LOGICAL (by your twisted logic) that YOU should turn YOURS in.

My computer was not built with the express purpose of expelling a piece of lead or metal at unbelieveable speeds into someone's body. Your gun was built with this express purpose.

Or was the very first gun invented for a purpose other than killing -- if it was, by all means tell us. "It's a decorative accessory" (Like my earrings, 'cause earrings don't kill people, people do )

I'm glad you had fun at the shooting club.

I'm also glad to hear that hunting with a handgun is illegal.

My dad hunted moose evey year as we were growing up. Us kids (or our friends) never touched those rifles. It's not 1970 anymore though.

My sister had a foster kid a couple of years ago... we found a handgun (don't know what kind, it was a big, silver thing) in her backpack. We called the police, they came and took it away. The kid had NO consequences whatsoever. Wonder where she got it? One of her "friends" perhaps? Perhaps one of her friends father bought it for her as a gift LOL. "Here you go honey, but don't use it unless you really need to!". Couple weeks goes by..... "Hey, honey where's your gun?" "Oh Dad, I dunno, my friend Cindy was here the other day, and now my gun is gone, I just wanted to show it to her!"

Putting guns in the hands of children. I shake my head.

If you want your kid to learn to shoot why not put them in army, air or sea cadets? That way they get to learn the "tool" not the "cool".

PLUS the rifle (they use rifles in the army -- go figure) would stay at the armoury, not in the home.

Margrace:

Lovely to see you here!

[margrace]

Well glad I found this place.

If you want your kid to learn to shoot why not put them in army, air or sea cadets? That way they get to learn the "tool" not the "cool".

PLUS the rifle (they use rifles in the army -- go figure) would stay at the armoury, not in the home.

Margrace:

Lovely to see you here!

Hi Drea, good to hear you and thank Maple Leaf for letting us post here, several other forums won't let us. And I guess we though this was a free country ayr.

[Drea]

Hi Drea, good to hear you and thank Maple Leaf for letting us post here, several other forums won't let us. And I guess we though this was a free country ayr.

This is a good forum -- voices from the right, the left and the middle pretty much get equal time.