THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

[YankAbroad]

They won't have the support of family or mosque if they leave a violent husband

Lots of native women don't have the support of family or mosque if they leave a violent husband either.

I'm sure, if this is an issue of concern for you, that you support charities like Rosie's Place and their outreach efforts to Muslim women -- as well as support strong divorce laws and law enforcement protections for victims of domestic abuse, regardless of gender?

[JerrySeinfeld]

They won't have the support of family or mosque if they leave a violent husband

Lots of native women don't have the support of family or mosque if they leave a violent husband either.

I'm sure, if this is an issue of concern for you, that you support charities like Rosie's Place and their outreach efforts to Muslim women -- as well as support strong divorce laws and law enforcement protections for victims of domestic abuse, regardless of gender?

You're getting way off track here.

Your argument seems to be: "if muslim women get beaten they should leave or contact the authorities."

That's not the issue. Taking the Australian example, the "authorities" have been instructed to ignore spousal abuse and be "tolerant" of it given religious traditions and customs.

That's the danger: that as our societies become more "tolerant" of other religions we risk supporting another form of INTOLERANCE.

Got it now?

[szkw1]

The article is nonsense,

ARif

You forgot to mention that it is also full of half truths and lies.

The article fails to mention that there are many Muslim sects just like there are many Christian sects. I would hate to be judged by the actions and values of Christian fundamentalists just as amny of my Islamic friends would like to be judged on the behaviour and morals of their fellow Muslims.

Read more international news and research the topic before you make sweeping statements and become close minded and totally biased.

[robertellis]

Wow. I had never thought about it that way. I had an immediate knee jerk reaction to the intrusion of Charia Law in Canada, and felt releived when the Nationnal Assembly of Quebec took a formal stand against it.

I was thinking also about the rise of China in terms of demography. In a couple of years there will be an enormous number of Chinese man but many many less Chinese women because of the birth control policy that only let couples have one child, and most couples decided to only keep their sons.

We better start adopting a lot of Chinese baby girls

I heard that Chinese practice something called Urine Therapy. That is, they drink their own morning Urine. In the west, we are made to buy so many pharmaseudicals that we lose sight of our natural ability to heal ourselves. Two of my disciples are drinking my urine. One drank over 35.75 liters of it to date, and the second one 6.3 litres. Their colon has cleansed. One disciple, who drank a liter of my urine, reported that his carnal desires waned. We need a left leaning government to bring about progression to holistic healthcare.

[YankAbroad]

That's the danger: that as our societies become more "tolerant" of other religions we risk supporting another form of INTOLERANCE.

I'm not aware of any legal regime in Canada or the USA which allows serious crimes like assault to be explained away by "cultural differences." Until evidence of such processes is provided, I'm going to assume it's bollocks.

[theloniusfleabag]

I heard that Chinese practice something called Urine Therapy.

If you have only heard about it, then how can you say...

Two of my disciples are drinking my urine. One drank over 35.75 liters of it to date, and the second one 6.3 litres. Their colon has cleansed. One disciple, who drank a liter of my urine, reported that his carnal desires waned

It is poisonous, and they would die eventually, as their own kidneys would become compromised.

Nasa has developed microfilters for food packs that can be rehydrated with urine. However, it is for emergencies only, it is fatal over time. Try to do a little research next time, troll.

[YankAbroad]

Thelonius is right.

If you think you can survive by drinking your own pee, urine for a surprise.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Argus,

I'm surprised at you, fleabag. The article was well-written

Yes, the inspiring spelling and grammar were a treat.

and the facts it was based upon are undeniable. Europe is becoming more Islamic. The birth rates of the "european" population and its "Muslims" are very clear.

This is one of the few facts in here to dispute. Further, it is true, I won't dispute it.

Without change most European nations will become majority Muslim.

Here, Houston, we have a problem. The implication is that there is that the author fears that this change won't happen. So he appears to be trying to incite it.

Economic and socio-political actions of mostly 'the haves' created third world nations, and therefore the situation he seems to fear.

And despite your professed contempt for the article, you have said NOTHING whatsoever to contradict or dispute anything in it, including its conclusions about the growth and spread of Islam, or what that means to us all.

Actually, I did address some points, especially his contempt for, and narrow understanding of, multiculturalism.

Further, your last sentence above is intellectual bankruptcy at its worst.

I agree with you. In my opinion, it has exactly as much merit as the article itself. They are both based on sophistry, yet you seem eager to grasp one and not the other.

I must retire, for now, but there is a great deal of that article, and of what you have said, that I would like to refute. My apologies that I did not respond to this sooner, I lost track of this thread in 'the great floods' recently.

[JerrySeinfeld]

That's the danger: that as our societies become more "tolerant" of other religions we risk supporting another form of INTOLERANCE.

I'm not aware of any legal regime in Canada or the USA which allows serious crimes like assault to be explained away by "cultural differences." Until evidence of such processes is provided, I'm going to assume it's bollocks.

Here is your evidence, yank:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513206/posts

feel free to check other sources.

[August1991]

[thread hijack]

I heard that Chinese practice something called Urine Therapy.

If you have only heard about it, then how can you say...

Two of my disciples are drinking my urine. One drank over 35.75 liters of it to date, and the second one 6.3 litres. Their colon has cleansed. One disciple, who drank a liter of my urine, reported that his carnal desires waned

It is poisonous, and they would die eventually, as their own kidneys would become compromised.

Nasa has developed microfilters for food packs that can be rehydrated with urine. However, it is for emergencies only, it is fatal over time. Try to do a little research next time, troll.

Urine therapy is most widely used today in Hindu folk medicine. William Jarvis, writing in the newsletter of the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF) (March/April 1995), reported that India's former Prime Minister (1977-1979) Morarji Desai on his ninety-ninth birthday, in February 1995, attributed his longevity to a constant drinking of his own urine. In 1978 Dan Rather, on CBS's 60 Minutes, interviewed Desai, who spoke at length about the great value of drinking urine. Newsweek reported (August 21, 1995) that Mohandas Gandhi was a urine drinker, but this was later denied by India's Gandhi Institute.

Some web site

Jim Morrison and Steve McQueen also drank their own urine - but then they died early deaths.

[/thread hijack]

[August1991]

Take multiculturalism. The great thing about multiculturalism is that it doesn't involve knowing anything about other cultures--the capital of Bhutan, the principal exports of Malawi, who cares? All it requires is feeling good about other cultures. It's fundamentally a fraud, and I would argue was subliminally accepted on that basis.

Fuck Mark Steyn. I embrace multi-culturalism, and I try to learn as much as I can. I love ethnic food, clothing, and have made lots of friends that have taught me some of the languages of Cantonese, Greek, Punjabi, German and a little bit of Vietnamese. If he can't be bothered, or thinks that I shouldn't (or don't), tough toenails. I don't care what he thinks.

Thelonious, you are inadvertently proving Steyn's point. Multiculturalism amounts to eating westernized "ethnic" food and learning how to say thank you in Khmer.

[Drea]

A country where you must wear jeans and a t-shirt (or a black whaddaya callit over yer whole body), and only eat liver; or have a certain colour of skin, hair or eyes... this is uniculturalism.

Thankfully we have the opportunity to try foods from foreign lands. To learn how the people live, their history, their way of doing things. It's interesting.

Now what was it that you didn't like about multiculturalism again?

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear August1991,

Multiculturalism amounts to eating westernized "ethnic" food and learning how to say thank you in Khmer.

I disagree. My reponse was short, but not meant to be that shallow. Besides, I can't stand 'westernized ethnic food'. I discuss politics, religion and history often with Sikh and Chinese friends. Some of them are much older than me, and some are very pragmatic. I ask a lot of questions, as a general rule, and if the questions are sincere, you make friends easily. One Sikh repairman that was at my house literally beamed when I spoke a few words (including thank you) in Punjabi, and praised the fact that Canada was such a 'multicultural' society. One would become 'schizo' if he/she tried to embrace every aspect of every culture. The one thing that I found in common about them all, though, was that they were all welcoming, warm-hearted and eager to share knowledge. Only once you get to know a culture can you then begin to pick out the assholes.

[August1991]

A country where you must wear jeans and a t-shirt (or a black whaddaya callit over yer whole body), and only eat liver; or have a certain colour of skin, hair or eyes... this is uniculturalism.

Thankfully we have the opportunity to try foods from foreign lands. To learn how the people live, their history, their way of doing things. It's interesting.

Now what was it that you didn't like about multiculturalism again?

Drea, your comment too proves Steyn's point. Go back and read the section where he describes what multiculturalism is, and where it is popular and why.

[YankAbroad]

Here is your evidence, yank

An article from Australia on a right-wing American web site is evidence that the law isn't applied equally to Muslim communities in Canada and the USA?

Allllllrighty. . .

[JerrySeinfeld]

Here is your evidence, yank

An article from Australia on a right-wing American web site is evidence that the law isn't applied equally to Muslim communities in Canada and the USA?

Allllllrighty. . .

The Australian example is a fact of life - despite your attempts to deny.

Couple that with the recent national boycotts, death threats, bomb threats, etc. all based upon a cartoon are pure evidence that we are faced with a religious people who have very diffenet values than us.

It's high time we realized: it's not US with our "progressive multicultural values" who must learn to adjust, it is the muslims who will have to change their ways.

[Argus]

and the facts it was based upon are undeniable. Europe is becoming more Islamic. The birth rates of the "european" population and its "Muslims" are very clear.

This is one of the few facts in here to dispute. Further, it is true, I won't dispute it.

Without change most European nations will become majority Muslim.

Here, Houston, we have a problem. The implication is that there is that the author fears that this change won't happen. So he appears to be trying to incite it.

Economic and socio-political actions of mostly 'the haves' created third world nations, and therefore the situation he seems to fear.

I honestly have no idea what the above was supposed to convey. You do not dispute the birth rates nor the fact Europe is becoming more Muslim, that it will, in fact, if the birth rates don't change, become majority Muslim, and then what? So what? Is that what you're saying? Muslim culture is frozen in time, a thousand years back, where they still kill heretics (not to mention homos and sluts). That is not the kind of culture or value system whose spread throughout the world I can contemplate with such bland equanimity.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Argus,

So what? Is that what you're saying?

Basically, yes. I have 3 choices. Do nothing. Change people to my way of thinking. Kill all those that disagree. Then, these get tempered with..am I a capitalist? (In which case, I would look for a way to personally profit form whatever circumstances are present, taking a mooral or religious stance clouds the issues and likely lessens profit) or am I devout? (In which case, loyalty to my religion would dictate my actions, up to and including militancy, whatever side I was on)

As to the second one, I am here. I am. I have attempted to spread the truth (often my opinion is offered as a substitute when we don't have access to all the facts, I'll admit. However, I love logic.) but it is up to the individual to believe.

That is not the kind of culture or value system whose spread throughout the world I can contemplate with such bland equanimity.

That leaves choice # 3. Reducing their numbers to either less than yours or zero. Barring that, negotiating zones of isolationist and protectionist groups, be they a continent or an enclave.

[August1991]

I have 3 choices. Do nothing. Change people to my way of thinking. Kill all those that disagree.

God no. You can be just yourself and wait.

Liberal values have been successful because ordinary women and men like them. It's good to be free to choose - good for individuals, and good for society (when well organized).

The Islamic world is passionate, but I was more fearful of Soviet socialism. IMV.

The major war (Marxism, Leftism) has been won; this last one (religious, Islamic) is relatively minor (despite what Steyn says, demography is the last refuge of a demagogue).

OTOH, we don't know what it means for all, when individuals are free. This is the conumdrum.

[Argus]

That is not the kind of culture or value system whose spread throughout the world I can contemplate with such bland equanimity.

That leaves choice # 3. Reducing their numbers to either less than yours or zero. Barring that, negotiating zones of isolationist and protectionist groups, be they a continent or an enclave.

I don't think any of us are here to solve the world's problems, though some of us appear to be under some illusion in that regard. I don't like any of your choices, either. How about figuring out a way to reverse our downward birth rate trend? A very few countries are doing pretty well in that regard, incl the US and Sweden. What comonality do those two enjoy? Probably nothing. The Swedish rate is attributed to family-friendly government policies. Why is the US rate so high? Distrust of birth control and abortion or something else? How can countries which are not reproducing themselves reverse historic low fertility rates? It isn't that the Muslims are breeding so amazingly fast. It's that westerners aren't breeding at all, that they are disappearing as a people. We need to reverse that. Immigration is not the solution to low birth rates. It just replaces the Europeans with other people faster.

[YankAbroad]

The Australian example is a fact of life - despite your attempts to deny.

No it's not.

The laws and activities of the Australian authorities have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to your effort to argue that such activities also take place in North America.

Both Canada and the USA have strong laws against spousal abuse, and claims that multiculturalism undermine Canadian and American legal jurisprudence have absolutely, positively no relevance whatsoever when "proven" with an Australian example.

The article you link to clearly shows a problem with Australia's legal system. Outside of that, it has no relevance to the North American community whatsoever (despite your wish that it did).

Why is the US rate so high?

Recent migrants who believe in higher birth rates are keeping things booming for the time being.

It's that westerners aren't breeding at all, that they are disappearing as a people. We need to reverse that. Immigration is not the solution to low birth rates. It just replaces the Europeans with other people faster.

Westerners don't have to be "Europeans" (i.e. whites) in order to be westerners and uphold the values and ideals of western society -- freedom of speech, conscience, religion, business, and personal liberty.

Further, your assumption that "Europeans" only reproduce with other "Europeans" is rather silly, too. A lot of that booming birth rate in the US which you're so excited about involves mixed-race relationships -- something which makes the North American experience so invigorating and cool.

North America isn't a "European" country -- or an Asian one, or African. We have our own distinct cultural heritage which is as a migrant society founded on unique principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and which welcomes everyone -- regardless of colour, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc. -- to enjoy those blessings in their own lives.