The Murder of Ashli Babbitt

[WestCanMan]

At 44:44 of this video they tell the peculiar story of Ashli Babbitt's murder. 

From the video evidence collected she's actually surrounded by a bunch of 'alleged' Ray Epps types... People who were in the thick of the action yet remain unindicted. 

Ashli Babbitt was actually trying to get a Jan 6th rioter, one Zachary Alam, to stop smashing windows leading into the Speaker's Lobby, and she got so irate at him that she actually punched him in the face. She was also mad at the cops for not doing anything to prevent that behaviour, they were all standing there doing nothing as he smashed windows. 

In the video they claim that Alam was one of the group of people who remain unindicted, but a quick google search shows that Zach Alam was actually indicted on several felonies and misdemeanours. 

As a result I'm not sure what to make of their claim that there were all these unindicted provocateurs there. 

What is certain is that Ashli Babbitt was not a violent seditionist, she was murdered. 

[Hodad]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

In the video they claim that Alam was one of the group of people who remain unindicted, but a quick google search shows that Zach Alam was actually indicted on several felonies and misdemeanours. 

As a result I'm not sure what to make of their claim that there were all these unindicted provocateurs there. 

What is certain is that Ashli Babbitt was not a violent seditionist, she was murdered. 

Really? You've already discovered that they are spreading misinformation. You've already established that the Alam claim is false. But you're not sure what to do with their claim?

Waiting for Trump to tell you whether it's raining or not?  Perhaps try not feeding your confirmation bias with random YouTube videos and garbage news outlets.

Ashli Babbitt played stupid games and won stupid prizes. You don't have to guess what happened to her. You can see the mob trying to smash their way through the barricaded doors to our elected officials. You can see her try to climb through the window. You can see her get shot. 

She wasn't murdered. She was killed by the officer in defense of himself and the lawmakers in his charge. If she were a home invader killed during a break in, conservatives would hail the shooter as a hero. "Good guy with gun stops attacker." But because she and the rest of the howling mob were trying to reach trapped lawmakers you want to call the assailant a hero. Figures.🙄

Edited February 16, 2024 by Hodad

[robosmith]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Really? You've already discovered that they are spreading misinformation. You've already established that the Alam claim is false. But you're not sure what to do with their claim?

Waiting for Trump to tell you whether it's raining or not?  Perhaps try not feeding your confirmation bias with random YouTube videos and garbage news outlets.

Ashli Babbitt played stupid games and won stupid prizes. You don't have to guess what happened to her. You can see the mob trying to smash their way through the barricaded doors to our elected officials. You can see her try to climb through the window. You can see her get shot. 

She wasn't murdered. She was killed by the officer in defense of himself and the lawmakers in his charge. If she were a home invader killed during a break in, conservatives would hail the shooter as a hero. "Good guy with gun stops attacker." But because she and the rest of the howling mob were trying to reach trapped lawmakers you want to call the assailant a hero. Figures.🙄

Believe it or not, gnat-boy has declared here that he would "murder"anyone trying to break down HIS front door, but because he believes the Capitol is "public building" even when CLOSED, Babbitt had the right to break into the House Chamber.

I swear these MAGA CULT types have lost every sense of reality.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Really? You've already discovered that they are spreading misinformation. You've already established that the Alam claim is false. But you're not sure what to do with their claim?

Well, it's not like with CNN where all they do is lie, and yet stupid people like you just keep getting sucked in. 

I don't know the Full story of this Alam guy, how much time he spent in solitary, if he was out on bail, and if he's going to get 20 years or probabtion.

Ray Epps has actually been indicted and convicted now, just like Kevin Clinesmith was, but the charges laid against those two were complete sweetheart deals, and both of them just got probation.

People who did less than Epps did got sentenced to more than ten years in prison. Clinesmith also should have served ten years or more: not only did the guy fabricate evidence and provide it to a judge, he was part of a group that destroyed the credibility of the FBI in the process.  

A lot of the things that they said to this point in the video were 100% accurate, that's why it's still worth watching.

Oh, and regarding your vaunted CNN, here they are lying again:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/09/politics/ray-epps-sentenced/index.html 

1. First lie - there was no 'conspiracy theory'. Epps was actually blatantly guilty of sedition, and the only reason he was even charged with the lesser offence - a misdemeanour lol - is because he was living proof that Jan 6th was partly engineered as long as he remained unindicted.
2. Second lie - he wasn't "sentenced for his actions that day". He was sentenced to a far lesser offence than the actual crime he committed. Isn't it weird to you that CNN, the station that was calling people seditionists on day 1, is calling an actual seditionist a petty criminal? The crime he pled guilty to is a misdemeanour. 
3. Third lie - prosecutors never "made clear that Epps was never an undercover agent" at all. Epps got the exact treatment that Clinesmith got, and Clinesmith's picture is in the dictionary beside conspirator. 
4. Fourth lie (lie by omission) - Clinesmith said "Epps, who never entered the Capitol, also admitted during his interview with the House committee that investigated the attack that his original goal was to get “as many people” in the Capitol Rotunda “as we can and surround it” to let lawmakers “know that we’re not happy.”, and it's true that he may have said it, but he made very clear to protesters that they needed to "go into the capitol". It's in the video below.  

I knew this for a year before Epps got indicted. CNN knew it, prosecutors knew it, and the judge knew it. This is the "FED! FED! FED!" video that's famous around the world. It's at the very heart of the "conspiracy thery" that CNN referenced. Do you think it's possible that CNN knew about the theory but none of them had seen the video?

Why did prosecutors let him say that? Why did the judge let him say that - why wasn't he charged with perjury? Why did CNN post his statement without letting their brainwashed dolt horde know that it was a complete lie? 

FYI that's what a thorough reply, completely backed by facts and links looks like dipshit. 

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Perhaps try not feeding your confirmation bias with random YouTube videos and garbage news outlets.

Perhaps you need to acknowledge that this topic was another perfect example of just how much lying CNN actually does...

Isn't it weird that on every topic we touch on I can provide you with several examples of CNN lying? Why is that? 

I didn't just catch them on 1 lie, 1 caught them on several, and even proved that the central theme of their article was one huge lie.

Listen up buttplug, if someone is found to have plotted a murder and executed their plan perfectly, killing the intended victim, and then they get charged with manslaughter, and only end up with probation, that's not an example of him getting "sentenced for his actions that day". Do you understand that much? 

If people looked upon that conviction and sentence with skepticism that would be understandable. 

The sentences and convictions of hundreds of people who joined in the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6th are highly suspicious. 

In the case of Ray Epps, he definitely got the exact treatment that an undercover agent or confidential informant, etc, would have gotten.  

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Ashli Babbitt played stupid games and won stupid prizes. You don't have to guess what happened to her. You can see the mob trying to smash their way through the barricaded doors to our elected officials. You can see her try to climb through the window. You can see her get shot. 

Now that you have seen all of that footage, you know for certain that the room she was in was mostly placid, and there was a large enough police presence there to thwart any attempt at overwhelming force.

Furthermore, your characterization of the scene as a "mob trying to smash their way through the barricaded doors to our elected officials" is a total lie. 

There was one jackass smashing windows, one person yelling at him to stop and then punching him in the face, and all of the cops in that room were all chilling out with their sidearms holstered. 

You're just the same God-damned liar as always.

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She wasn't murdered...

Yes she was, stupid. Watch the video I provided from 44:44 to about the 50-minute mark and you'll know that much for certain. 

The video that you posted says "unavailable in your country" in my browser. No doubt it's a bunch of debunked CNN lies. 

53 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Believe it or not, gnat-boy has declared here that he would "murder"anyone trying to break down HIS front door, but because he believes the Capitol is "public building" even when CLOSED, Babbitt had the right to break into the House Chamber.

I swear these MAGA CULT types have lost every sense of reality.

I dunno who gnat-boy is, but I never said I'd "murder anyone trying to break down my front door". I also never said that the capitol was open to the public. 

Get your head out of your ass, loser. 

Edited February 16, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Caswell Thomas]

Ms. Babbit broke into a federal facility and continued to act against federal law as part of a gang of thugs inspired by a speech Donald Trump made an hour before to deliberately try to overthrow the Country and install himself as dictator instead of the lawfully elected person decided by the voters in accordance with federal law. Ms. Babbitt was warned not to advance aggressively inside the federal building  and instead chose to ignore the warning and when she continued to do so, was shot and died of her wounds.   That's all.  Nothing else MAGA has made of it is truthful. Nothing else Donald Trump or his various spin meisters have said about it is truthful.

[godzilla]

what is the motivation for the government to implement the Jan 6 riots? for 2024?

i mean, this is a classic conspiracy theory.

"Conspiracy theories are generally designed to resist falsification either by evidence against them or a lack of evidence for them. They are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and absence of evidence for it are misinterpreted as evidence of its truth."

anyways... influencing others to commit crimes is, in itself a crime... but the individual carrying out the crime is not suddenly innocent. no, they are guilty of a crime if they indeed committed a crime.

Babbit made a big mistake and i feel bad for her... because security had not used that kind of force up until that moment. so she probably thought that it wasn't going to happen. even if she saw that a barricade had been constructed and that there was a secret service man with his gun drawn sheltering in a doorway.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, godzilla said:

what is the motivation for the government to implement the Jan 6 riots? for 2024?

Yep.

On the one hand they say that there was so much insurrectionist chatter that they knew an insurrection was coming, but on the other, they decided not to protect the capitol. They even made it easy to get in, which is weird under those circumstances. 

Then they politicized the sh1t out of it. 

"I got PTSD! 😭"

Dems LOVED riots for the last half of 2014, all of 2015, all of 2016, and the first part of 2017. Then they went ga-ga for riots in 2020. Then on Jan 6th, when one riot affected them personally for 3 hrs, they went apoplectic. They went batshit crazy. Full-******. 

 

You could honestly say that Dems LOVE riots 99.9% of the time (when their constituents are being assaulted, killed, and losing their homes and businesses it's ok), but they abhor riots the other 0.1% of the time (when they are personally affected, briefly, it's an all-time horror). 

Change my mind. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Well, it's not like with CNN where all they do is lie, and yet stupid people like you just keep getting sucked in. 

I don't know the Full story of this Alam guy, how much time he spent in solitary, if he was out on bail, and if he's going to get 20 years or probabtion.

Ray Epps has actually been indicted and convicted now, just like Kevin Clinesmith was, but the charges laid against those two were complete sweetheart deals, and both of them just got probation.

People who did less than Epps did got sentenced to more than ten years in prison. Clinesmith also should have served ten years or more: not only did the guy fabricate evidence and provide it to a judge, he was part of a group that destroyed the credibility of the FBI in the process.  

A lot of the things that they said to this point in the video were 100% accurate, that's why it's still worth watching.

Oh, and regarding your vaunted CNN, here they are lying again:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/09/politics/ray-epps-sentenced/index.html 

1. First lie - there was no 'conspiracy theory'. Epps was actually blatantly guilty of sedition, and the only reason he was even charged with the lesser offence - a misdemeanour lol - is because he was living proof that Jan 6th was partly engineered as long as he remained unindicted.
2. Second lie - he wasn't "sentenced for his actions that day". He was sentenced to a far lesser offence than the actual crime he committed. Isn't it weird to you that CNN, the station that was calling people seditionists on day 1, is calling an actual seditionist a petty criminal? The crime he pled guilty to is a misdemeanour. 
3. Third lie - prosecutors never "made clear that Epps was never an undercover agent" at all. Epps got the exact treatment that Clinesmith got, and Clinesmith's picture is in the dictionary beside conspirator. 
4. Fourth lie (lie by omission) - Clinesmith said "Epps, who never entered the Capitol, also admitted during his interview with the House committee that investigated the attack that his original goal was to get “as many people” in the Capitol Rotunda “as we can and surround it” to let lawmakers “know that we’re not happy.”, and it's true that he may have said it, but he made very clear to protesters that they needed to "go into the capitol". It's in the video below.  

I knew this for a year before Epps got indicted. CNN knew it, prosecutors knew it, and the judge knew it. This is the "FED! FED! FED!" video that's famous around the world. It's at the very heart of the "conspiracy thery" that CNN referenced. Do you think it's possible that CNN knew about the theory but none of them had seen the video?

Why did prosecutors let him say that? Why did the judge let him say that - why wasn't he charged with perjury? Why did CNN post his statement without letting their brainwashed dolt horde know that it was a complete lie? 

FYI that's what a thorough reply, completely backed by facts and links looks like dipshit. 

Perhaps you need to acknowledge that this topic was another perfect example of just how much lying CNN actually does...

Isn't it weird that on every topic we touch on I can provide you with several examples of CNN lying? Why is that? 

I didn't just catch them on 1 lie, 1 caught them on several, and even proved that the central theme of their article was one huge lie.

Listen up buttplug, if someone is found to have plotted a murder and executed their plan perfectly, killing the intended victim, and then they get charged with manslaughter, and only end up with probation, that's not an example of him getting "sentenced for his actions that day". Do you understand that much? 

If people looked upon that conviction and sentence with skepticism that would be understandable. 

The sentences and convictions of hundreds of people who joined in the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6th are highly suspicious. 

In the case of Ray Epps, he definitely got the exact treatment that an undercover agent or confidential informant, etc, would have gotten.  

Now that you have seen all of that footage, you know for certain that the room she was in was mostly placid, and there was a large enough police presence there to thwart any attempt at overwhelming force.

Furthermore, your characterization of the scene as a "mob trying to smash their way through the barricaded doors to our elected officials" is a total lie. 

There was one jackass smashing windows, one person yelling at him to stop and then punching him in the face, and all of the cops in that room were all chilling out with their sidearms holstered. 

You're just the same God-damned liar as always.

Yes she was, stupid. Watch the video I provided from 44:44 to about the 50-minute mark and you'll know that much for certain. 

The video that you posted says "unavailable in your country" in my browser. No doubt it's a bunch of debunked CNN lies. 

I dunno who gnat-boy is, but I never said I'd "murder anyone trying to break down my front door". I also never said that the capitol was open to the public. 

Get your head out of your ass, loser. 

There certainly is an Epps conspiracy theory. You're living it! You're posting about it! Epps is just another gullible MAGA sucker--and that's all he was until you kooks invented a whole mythology around him. Friends, family, job, have all been confirmed. He's not the super secret spy next door. Just schlub like you 

And the Ashli Babbit fairy tale your buying is EXACTLY like you denying rainfall. You can literally watch video of people smashing through the windows is the barricaded doors. You can literally watch Babbitt climb through the window and then get shot. She wasn't trying to stop people, dummy. She was the first invader through the breach.

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I dunno who gnat-boy is, but I never said I'd "murder anyone trying to break down my front door". I also never said that the capitol was open to the public. 

Get your head out of your ass, loser. 

You're the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about so you're the loser here.

gnat-boy is the juvenile gnat-man. AKA NOT YOU. I wasn't referring to you, I was talking about gnat-boy.

Sorry you missed that exchange, but it's YOU who chose to put me on ignore.

Very little here is about you. Been drinking tonight? 

[godzilla]

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Yep.

On the one hand they say that there was so much insurrectionist chatter that they knew an insurrection was coming, but on the other, they decided not to protect the capitol. They even made it easy to get in, which is weird under those circumstances. 

Then they politicized the sh1t out of it. 

"I got PTSD! 😭"

Dems LOVED riots for the last half of 2014, all of 2015, all of 2016, and the first part of 2017. Then they went ga-ga for riots in 2020. Then on Jan 6th, when one riot affected them personally for 3 hrs, they went apoplectic. They went batshit crazy. Full-******. 

 

You could honestly say that Dems LOVE riots 99.9% of the time (when their constituents are being assaulted, killed, and losing their homes and businesses it's ok), but they abhor riots the other 0.1% of the time (when they are personally affected, briefly, it's an all-time horror). 

Change my mind. 

well then Trump had the ability to see right through this ruse and diffuse this blatant attempt to destroy democracy... and he failed! actually, he played along! he walked right into it! what a fool he is!

in fact, he still doesn't see it does he! he still claims that those participating that day were patriots!

Edited February 17, 2024 by godzilla

[robosmith]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Yep.

On the one hand they say that there was so much insurrectionist chatter that they knew an insurrection was coming, but on the other, they decided not to protect the capitol. They even made it easy to get in, which is weird under those circumstances. 

Then they politicized the sh1t out of it. 

"I got PTSD! 😭"

Dems LOVED riots for the last half of 2014, all of 2015, all of 2016, and the first part of 2017. Then they went ga-ga for riots in 2020. Then on Jan 6th, when one riot affected them personally for 3 hrs, they went apoplectic. They went batshit crazy. Full-******. 

 

You could honestly say that Dems LOVE riots 99.9% of the time (when their constituents are being assaulted, killed, and losing their homes and businesses it's ok), but they abhor riots the other 0.1% of the time (when they are personally affected, briefly, it's an all-time horror). 

Change my mind. 

There was a lot more than "chatter" during the insurrection when Trump had the authority to call out the National Guard and REFUSED TO DO THAT.

[Caswell Thomas]

22 hours ago, godzilla said:

what is the motivation for the government to implement the Jan 6 riots? for 2024?

i mean, this is a classic conspiracy theory.

"Conspiracy theories are generally designed to resist falsification either by evidence against them or a lack of evidence for them. They are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and absence of evidence for it are misinterpreted as evidence of its truth."

anyways... influencing others to commit crimes is, in itself a crime... but the individual carrying out the crime is not suddenly innocent. no, they are guilty of a crime if they indeed committed a crime.

Babbit made a big mistake and i feel bad for her... because security had not used that kind of force up until that moment. so she probably thought that it wasn't going to happen. even if she saw that a barricade had been constructed and that there was a secret service man with his gun drawn sheltering in a doorway.

Don't feel bad for her, feel angry. She knew breaking through doors with security guards was wrong, she did it anyway. She aggressively entered a building in which a protected part of our Democracy was occurring which she and her friends were there to obstruct, disrupt, stop, and do so violently.  She was told by a federal officer to Stop. She ignored it . Don't feel sorry for criminals.  They earn what they get. 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Don't feel bad for her, feel angry. She knew breaking through doors with security guards was wrong, she did it anyway. She aggressively entered a building in which a protected part of our Democracy was occurring which she and her friends were there to obstruct, disrupt, stop, and do so violently.  She was told by a federal officer to Stop. She ignored it . Don't feel sorry for criminals.  They earn what they get. 

Her death is at the hands of those who LIED TO HER about a "stolen" election. 🤮