Rep. Babin to Newsmax: End Birthright Citizenship

[Deluge]

This should've been done decades ago. 

"Rep. Babin to Newsmax: End Birthright Citizenship.

Rep. Brian Babin, R-Texas, told Newsmax on Tuesday that the automatic granting of American citizenship to anyone born in the U.S. is based on a "misinterpretation" of the Constitution, and that he would correct it."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/brian-babin-birthright-citizenship-constitution/2023/12/12/id/1145685/

Edited December 12, 2023 by Deluge

[Aristides]

Birthright citizenship is an America's thing. Almost no one grants it outside North and South American countries.

I agree with Babin, Canada shouldn't be doing it either.

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

Birthright citizenship is an America's thing. Almost no one grants it outside North and South American countries.

I agree with Babin, Canada shouldn't be doing it either.

I'm surprised you agree with this. 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I'm surprised you agree with this. 

Why? Birth tourism is a real issue where I live. There have been times when most of the maternity beds in Richmond general are taken up by people who are just here to get the kid citizenship and then head back home. Looking after these people has become an industry for some communities and it bothers me that we think so little of our citizenship that we give it away so easily.

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[Rebound]

“All persons born in the United States… and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

So is the argument that the children of illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Under US law, if a person is present within the US, they are subject to US jurisdiction, unless they are present as a foreign ambassador, in which case they are partially exempt from US law. 

[Deluge]

41 minutes ago, Rebound said:

“All persons born in the United States… and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

So is the argument that the children of illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Under US law, if a person is present within the US, they are subject to US jurisdiction, unless they are present as a foreign ambassador, in which case they are partially exempt from US law. 

That doesn't include children of illegal aliens. What needs to be clarified is that non-citizens do not qualify. 

[Rebound]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

That doesn't include children of illegal aliens. What needs to be clarified is that non-citizens do not qualify. 

If illegal aliens are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction, how can they be illegal?

I understand what you WANT, I’m only confused because the Constitution says what it says whether we like it or not. 

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[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

If illegal aliens are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction, how can they be illegal?

I understand what you WANT, I’m only confused because the Constitution says what it says whether we like it or not. 

Illegal aliens are subject to US jurisdiction ONLY while their asses are getting processed out of the country - their children too. 

The Constitution applies to citizens, not non-citizens.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by Deluge

[Deluge]

A simplified way for wokecrats to look at it is like this: Citizens beget citizens, and non-citizens beget non-citizens.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Deluge

[Rebound]

22 hours ago, Deluge said:

A simplified way for wokecrats to look at it is like this: Citizens beget citizens, and non-citizens beget non-citizens.

Riiiight… I completely forgot that MAGA means, “Devoid of reality.” You’re just making up the way you think the law should be, and then insulting people for having the audacity to tell you what US law actually is. And you have utterly no idea how incredibly stupid that makes you look. 

Read the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. That’s where birthright citizenship is established. 

Section 1:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

As a civics lesson to you: Pay attention to how this text distinguishes persons from citizens. I’m not a constitutional scholar; but I’m pretty sure that the whole “within its jurisdiction” thing pertains to Indian territories and foreign ambassadors and nobody else. 

[Deluge]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Riiiight… I completely forgot that MAGA means, “Devoid of reality.” You’re just making up the way you think the law should be, and then insulting people for having the audacity to tell you what US law actually is. And you have utterly no idea how incredibly stupid that makes you look. 

Read the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. That’s where birthright citizenship is established. 

Section 1:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

As a civics lesson to you: Pay attention to how this text distinguishes persons from citizens. I’m not a constitutional scholar; but I’m pretty sure that the whole “within its jurisdiction” thing pertains to Indian territories and foreign ambassadors and nobody else. 

Sorry numbnuts, that doesn't cover illegal alien newborns. There needs to be further clarification on the 14th Amendment, and it needs to be done now.  

I mean, let's be honest here: What you perverts REALLY want is instant citizenship for anyone the second he touches foot in this country, and that is yet another reason to clarify the 14th Amendment. 

[Rebound]

57 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Sorry numbnuts, that doesn't cover illegal alien newborns. There needs to be further clarification on the 14th Amendment, and it needs to be done now.  

I mean, let's be honest here: What you perverts REALLY want is instant citizenship for anyone the second he touches foot in this country, and that is yet another reason to clarify the 14th Amendment. 

It’s not what I want. I think illegal immigration and refugee immigration is way, way out of hand.

But that doesn’t mean we can ignore the US Constitution. “All persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States.” We don’t have to like it, but that is what it says.

If you believe in changing that, fine. But don’t try to work with politicians who are lying to you. Don’t you understand? It’s not about what “the libs” want to do, it’s what the US Constitution says, in black and white. If you want to amend the US Constitution, it will take a bi-partisan effort, not this, “Those evil libs are trying to destroy everything everywhere nonsense.” Kinda doesn’t get bipartisanship to work, does it?  I would probably agree with making the change, but start out by understanding that the US Constitution clearly says what it says.

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It’s not what I want. I think illegal immigration and refugee immigration is way, way out of hand.

But that doesn’t mean we can ignore the US Constitution. “All persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States.” We don’t have to like it, but that is what it says.

If you believe in changing that, fine. But don’t try to work with politicians who are lying to you. Don’t you understand? It’s not about what “the libs” want to do, it’s what the US Constitution says, in black and white. If you want to amend the US Constitution, it will take a bi-partisan effort, not this, “Those evil libs are trying to destroy everything everywhere nonsense.” Kinda doesn’t get bipartisanship to work, does it?  I would probably agree with making the change, but start out by understanding that the US Constitution clearly says what it says.

Yes it is what you want. It's why you clowns initiate zero conversations about illegal immigration. 

The 14th Amendment was written to ensure that freed slaves would have citizenship, not to ensure that sneaky f*ckers from other countries could slither in and have their offspring granted citizenship. You see, pervert, you would already understand this if you weren't so hellbent on dissolving our borders. 

The 14th Amendment must be clarified immediately, if only to shut you border erasers down.