Joe Biden is becoming a liability for the Democrats in the coming election

[myata]

It's not about his personality. In years of all-out digging his opponents could not present any credible evidence of any wrongdoing. That's something to be respected, no doubts.

It's about social dynamics though. In the times of uncertainty and challenge, people aren't looking for more fight: they need signs of a positive change; way out of the deadlocked politics; some vision that unites and offers a way forward; and hope of improvement. Biden is associated, even entrenched into the current extremely partisan status quo, that is getting worse by day. He cannot win this challenge by making it even more partisan and divided.

Fighting Trump will not be seen as a worthy cause by many common electors. Biden represents and impersonates the system that they are coming to see as failing. Trump is challenging it. Many will not look beyond that equation, this simple. It happened so many times in so many places already.

Biden could bow out and pass the responsibility to a candidate who could offer the country a direction of unity and hope. Two times in row, in the recent history Democrats bet on the system candidates and in both, words and appeals, celebrities and battle calls just weren't enough to convince the majority of citizens. Let's see if they can get it this time around.

[robosmith]

43 minutes ago, myata said:

It's not about his personality. In years of all-out digging his opponents could not present any credible evidence of any wrongdoing. That's something to be respected, no doubts.

It's about social dynamics though. In the times of uncertainty and challenge, people aren't looking for more fight: they need signs of a positive change; way out of the deadlocked politics; some vision that unites and offers a way forward; and hope of improvement. Biden is associated, even entrenched into the current extremely partisan status quo, that is getting worse by day. He cannot win this challenge by making it even more partisan and divided.

Fighting Trump will not be seen as a worthy cause by many common electors. Biden represents and impersonates the system that they are coming to see as failing. Trump is challenging it. Many will not look beyond that equation, this simple. It happened so many times in so many places already.

Biden could bow out and pass the responsibility to a candidate who could offer the country a direction of unity and hope. Two times in row, in the recent history Democrats bet on the system candidates and in both, words and appeals, celebrities and battle calls just weren't enough to convince the majority of citizens. Let's see if they can get it this time around.

IF anyone can demonstrate they can get more votes and beat Biden in the primaries, that is the ONLY demonstration of a superior candidate that counts. 

However if they lose and only weaken Biden in the process, that will be a disaster.

[myata]

41 minutes ago, robosmith said:

IF anyone can demonstrate they can get more votes a

Biden will get fewer votes, in the general election, than a younger energetic candidate that would come up with a vision of unity, cooperation and way forward. Making it about fighting Trump, from the platform of the past can become a losing strategy.

[Nationalist]

Joe Biden is an 1diot. He's always been an 1diot. But now he's an 1diot with most of his marbles lost and a son who is likely to drag him into complete disgrace.

And unfortunately for the Democrats, it's now too late. The only thing that can save the Democrats now, would be a doctor willing to declare old Joe incompetent. Even then, the twits will stack Newsome against whoever is the Republican candidate and...well...have you seen California lately?

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, myata said:

Biden will get fewer votes, in the general election, than a younger energetic candidate that would come up with a vision of unity, cooperation and way forward. Making it about fighting Trump, from the platform of the past can become a losing strategy.

Whomever has to PROVE they can GET THE VOTES in the primary. That's what they're for.

Sorry but your speculation is insufficient.

[myata]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

GET THE VOTES in the primary.

No, it's you not seemingly getting it: the primaries the parties, candidates and presidents exist for the citizens and the country. Not the other way around. It may cost dearly to fail to grasp, yet again this plain obviousness.

Edited December 9, 2023 by myata

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

No, it's you not seemingly getting it: the primaries the parties, candidates and presidents exist for the citizens and the country. Not the other way around. It may cost dearly to fail to grasp, yet again this plain obviousness.

IF your candidate cannot win the primary, he will never win the general. Name one you believe might.

Of course winning the primary is no guarantee of the latter, either.

[myata]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

IF your candidate cannot win the primary, he will never win the general

There's neither the logic, no the factual evidence behind this statement. Top candidates in the primaries are often those with the strongest support in the nomenclature. That may be far from an asset in the general election, depending on the general background.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, myata said:

There's neither the logic, no the factual evidence behind this statement. Top candidates in the primaries are often those with the strongest support in the nomenclature. That may be far from an asset in the general election, depending on the general background.

I didn't say they WOULD win the general. Duh

If they can't get THEIR Party's vote, they won't get the other Party's vote to make up for it. Independents are too wishy washy to vote in a block for anyone. 

[myata]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

If they can't get THEIR Party's vote,

Then it's the party that has to find a way to pick the best candidates for the country, not its entrenched bureaucracy. Duh.

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

Then it's the party that has to find a way to pick the best candidates for the country, not its entrenched bureaucracy. Duh.

The Party exists to get the best candidate for their constituents. Nothing is going to change that, just like the MAGA CULT will ONLY vote for Trump and his sycophants.

The thing you seem to be missing is that it takes a TEAM to govern in our system because you can't do anything without a majority of the officials being on your team. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

The Party exists to get the best candidate for their constituents.

Right. A democratic party would care to pick the right candidate to lead the constituents, who are the citizens, to success at a time of great challenge. One party is fine with putting up a patented liar, possibly soon a convicted felon. What would be your answer? A soft talking all-knowing hands-and-body-shaking at every tiny step, twenty missiles for Heavens sake, granpa, facing the Hitlers of our time?

Sure?

P.S. upgrading the threat of binary politics to democracy from grave to existential. If a party, one of the two possible, looses sanity for any reason at all and props the Devil himself for the candidate, a large part of the population would take it as a stamp of legitimacy without a moment's thought. Who do you like, just push it here, or here. Just like that, done!

Edited December 10, 2023 by myata

[Nationalist]

On 12/9/2023 at 1:59 AM, robosmith said:

IF your candidate cannot win the primary, he will never win the general. Name one you believe might.

Of course winning the primary is no guarantee of the latter, either.

There is no primary you dope!