Liberals Get It All Wrong

[rbacon]

What does this say about the intelligence of Canadians? What does this say about the intelligence of Torontonians or the morals of those who still support the Liberals.--Liberals get it all wrong and still top the polls

Go figure: The Liberal performance throughout the campaign has been lacking focus, substance, ideas or even basic dignity.

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Published: Sunday, January 01, 2006

If the daily election polling has been accurate, then it looks like the Liberal Party of Canada has a darn good shot at winning another minority government.

How bizarre is that?

For the past month, the Liberals have seemingly gone out of their way to lose votes. Add to the glut of gaffes that this election was forced as a result of Liberal corruption and a reasonable assumption might be that the governing party would be wiped right off the electoral map.

Yet, there the Liberals sit atop poll after poll after poll.

Consider these events:

Scott Reid, a senior adviser to Prime Minister Paul Martin, insults hard-working Canadian parents by suggesting that they would squander money given to them for daycare on "popcorn and beer."

Mike Klander, a senior Liberal organizer in Ontario, quits the party executive after posting on his blog pictures of Asian-Canadian NDP candidate Olivia Chow and a Chinese chow dog under the deplorable caption "Separated at birth." He also described Chow's husband, NDP leader Jack Layton, as an "asshole."

Then Liberal Industry Minister David Emerson is forced to defend his observation that Jack Layton wears a smile like a "boiled dog's-head."

In the televised debates, Paul Martin says he will fight Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe on every corner and in every lane of Quebec; yet when Duceppe challenges Martin to a one-on-one debate in Quebec, the PM declines.

Martin argues to Canadians that his party is the only one that will slay the sovereignist dragon, conveniently forgetting that it was his party that gave the dragon its big teeth and fiery breath.

Martin brandishes the meaningless pledge to ban handguns in Canada; the only tangible result of this was a sudden upsurge in handgun sales.

In an unprecedented act during an election campaign, the RCMP have launched a criminal investigation of the federal finance ministry.

Martin is forced to spend his holiday break defending Finance Minister Ralph Goodale against allegations his department leaked notice of the government's income-trust plans.

The Liberal performance throughout this campaign has been lacking focus, substance, ideas or even basic dignity.

In comparison, the NDP and, in particular, the Conservatives under Stephen Harper, have run flawless, textbook campaigns.

Yet, the Liberals lead in the polls.

How bizarre is that?

© The Vancouver Province 2006

[Cameron]

All I can say after reading that is....quoting from Mr. James...

"You poor misguided Canadian bastards"

[newbie]

What does this say about the intelligence of Canadians? What does this say about the intelligence of Torontonians or the morals of those who still support the Liberals.--Liberals get it all wrong and still top the polls

Go figure: The Liberal performance throughout the campaign has been lacking focus, substance, ideas or even basic dignity. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It works both ways fellow. But to imply anyone who wishes to employ his democratic right as someone is somewhat who lacks intelligent is a huge insult, and a very common practice of Converstative posters on this forum. Disagreeing is one thing, but lay off the "tarring all lefites" crap. Theses are opinions on this website and let's keep it that way. No one's is better than anyone else's. Can we not leave it there?

[rbacon]

I think it says something about the morals and intelligence of anyone who would vote Liberal after all the racial slurs, attacks against the disabled, corruption and theft by Liberals and the rewarding of friends from the public purse. If you know all those facts and still vote Liberal, yah you have a problem in my opinion, both intellectually and morally.

[Guest eureka]

What it does say is that Canadians have a greater level of political sophistication and maturity than I have given them credit for in the past.

It says that they are not taken in by the blandishments of this Conservative (?) Party and it tax obsessed leader.

It says that they are looking for the best government for Canada; not for a self interested, self regarding elitist domination,

[daniel]

It seems as if it were not for the Sponsorship Scandal, there would be absolutely no reason - even for the Conservatives - to not support the Liberals. If it weren't for the Auditor General to discover this, of course we would have never known. So likewise, how is anybody to know before it would be discovered of any Conservative Government scandal? And you know it will eventually happen as it did so many times before with other Conservative governments.

Yes, we would like to punish the Liberals but what does that mean? Only to replace them with somebody else who is just as likely to be corrupted? So the argument really is moot.

As in philosophy 100, when all things are equal, flip a coin. But things aren't equal, we have to know with each party running, aside from their feel-good policy announcements that are just as easily broken and spoken, where their true interests lie.

[newbie]

I think it says something about the morals and intelligence of anyone who would vote Liberal after all the racial slurs, attacks against the disabled, corruption and theft by Liberals and the rewarding of friends from the public purse. If you know all those facts and still vote Liberal, yah you have a problem in my opinion, both intellectually and morally.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So if we vote liberal we are stupid and void of morals. Can't get much lower than that. But of course I consider the source.

[fellowtraveller]

Yes, we would like to punish the Liberals but what does that mean? Only to replace them with somebody else who is just as likely to be corrupted? So the argument really is moot.

Liberal strategists must clap their little hands in glee when they realize how many voters actually think that demonstrated corruption somehow equates to possible corruption.

I could vomit when I read such claptrap. Our education sytem has utterly failed when it produces 'logic' like this example.

[shoop]

Eureka, I thought you supported the Liberal Party of Canada?

self-interested = (at least) $1.14 million dollars of taxpayer money illegally given to party insiders

elitist dominated = giving money to parents to make their own daycare choices (while creating 150,000 institutional spaces) will be spent on beer and popcorn

self-regarding = I don't understand that. Does that term really exist?

It says that they are looking for the best government for Canada; not for a self interested, self regarding elitist domination,

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[shoop]

Hey newbie, is your indignation reserved only for when Liberals are attacked?

So if we vote liberal we are stupid and void of morals. Can't get much lower than that. But of course I consider the source.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where was your support when canuckcat went after me for quoting Warren Kinsella?

You coward, you shameless hater of the country I love.

[newbie]

Hey newbie, is your indignation reserved only for when Liberals are attacked?

So if we vote liberal we are stupid and void of morals. Can't get much lower than that. But of course I consider the source.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where was your support when canuckcat went after me for quoting Warren Kinsella?

You coward, you shameless hater of the country I love.

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Shoop, this is a political forum. But there are supposed to be rules. Canuckcat attacked you personally - not allowed supposedly. Take it up with Greg. I was responding specifically to rbacon's post. It's that same "tarring all Liberals" crap all over again. Shouldn't have got my dander up, but I think that's understandable since it mostly from the right side of the fence and totally unnecessary.

[kimmy]

It works both ways fellow. But to imply anyone who wishes to employ his democratic right as someone is somewhat who lacks intelligent is a huge insult, and a very common practice of Converstative posters on this forum. Disagreeing is one thing, but lay off the "tarring all lefites" crap. Theses are opinions on this website and let's keep it that way. No one's is better than anyone else's. Can we not leave it there?

Conservatives aren't the only ones ridiculing the intelligence of other voters-- refer to eureka's message for an example.

-k

[shoop]

Where is the *mostly from the right side* coming from?

There are whacko posters from all over the spectrum here.

No reason to bother Greg during the holidays...

Shouldn't have got my dander up, but I think that's understandable since it mostly from the right side of the fence and totally unnecessary.

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[Montgomery Burns]

Not so fast. I saw an Ipsos-Reid poll on Global TV yesterday. It had the Conservatives leading the Liberals nationwide by 1 percentage point and leading in Ontario by 2 points.

I tend to favor the Ipsos-Reid polls (having a slight Liberal lead in past polls) over the Strategic Counsel polls--which always have the Liberals at about a 10 point lead. It never made sense that a crooked govt could have such a big lead--surely Canadians aren't that brainwashed.

[Guest eureka]

shoop. $1.14 million to political campaigning vs. Billions to the class that is onside and as has been pointed out, many millions diverted to Conservative supporters and campaigns by every Conservative government we have suffered.

A childcare scheme that will build no childcare but will buy votes vs. a childcare scheme.

And, yes, there is such a term as self regarding. It is usualy found in a different context, but I think it is appropriate for the navel gazers who can't think beyond a tax cut.

Kimmy, you should measure intelligence in this circumstance by the comparison between a party dedicated to the reduction of Canada to Trudeau's "Head Waiter" and a party that still wants to keep Canada whole; however poor its record in that area is. Intelligence is demonstrated by understanding that.

We have not had a conservative who wants to "stand for Canada" since Diefenbaker.

[daniel]

....We have not had a conservative who wants to "stand for Canada" since Diefenbaker.

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How was it that he stood for Canada? He scrapped the Avro Arrow (probably under the pressure of the US Militaty) and he was opposed to Canada's new flag because it made no reference to Britain's Union Jack.

The latest Conservative I recall standing up for Canada was John A MacDonald who had the CPR built to secure the west before the Americans could take it.