scribblet Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists...04/1336349.html This election could be really scary By JOHN CROSBIE This will be Canada's most important and significant election of the 20th or 21st centuries. It will determine whether we can return to a healthy and competitive political system. Since 1935, the Liberal party has governed for 56 of the 71 years, with the Conservatives governing for 15. We have had 12 years of Liberal rule since 1993. As a result, our political system is badly skewed without the competition necessary for a properly functioning and healthy democracy. Already Paul Martin has commenced a campaign concentrating on arousing fears about Stephen Harper's Conservatives. Rather than discussing policy or what his government has done, Martin demonizes Harper. This negative strategy to paint Harper as "scary" is intended to divert public attention away from what is really scary, namely the Liberal failures and mistakes in governing. I find "scary" Martin's government and its Liberal predecessor, which not only failed to properly administer government programs, but permitted AdScam's fraudulent diversion of funds to Liberal friends and party coffers. Two-tier fear Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
JerrySeinfeld Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 I agree. It's not really even a matter of opinion, but rather fact. Martin is a joke - I can't believe Ontarians keep buying his bullsh*t. Quote
normanchateau Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 I agree.It's not really even a matter of opinion, but rather fact. Martin is a joke - I can't believe Ontarians keep buying his bullsh*t. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ontarians? Even Westerners now support Martin over Harper according to the December 8th SES poll. And so do Atlantic Canadians. And in Quebec, while the BQ is in first place, at least three times as many Quebecers support Martin as Harper. Even though Martin now leads Harper in ALL regions of the country, this should not be taken as an endorsement of Martin. Rather, it's the non-endorsement and perhaps even outright rejection of Harper from coast to coast. Quote
tml12 Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists...04/1336349.htmlI find "scary" Martin's government and its Liberal predecessor, which not only failed to properly administer government programs, but permitted AdScam's fraudulent diversion of funds to Liberal friends and party coffers. Two-tier fear <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No doubt Chretien was bad but I mean seriously people, in Ontario, seem to swear by the Liberals because they can't think for themselves. I mean, why face the facts? The Liberals govern by divine right! I was so happy when Martin just took over because I figured he would be honest about his conservative economic policies and move on with it. Apparently that is not the case... Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
normanchateau Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 No doubt Chretien was bad but I mean seriously people, in Ontario, seem to swear by the Liberals because they can't think for themselves. It's not just Ontario. Martin leads Harper in the Atlantic provinces, Quebec and even now in Western Canada. Quote
August1991 Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 No doubt Chretien was bad but I mean seriously people, in Ontario, seem to swear by the Liberals because they can't think for themselves.It's not just Ontario. Martin leads Harper in the Atlantic provinces, Quebec and even now in Western Canada.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Norman, you forgot to mention that Harper also wants to institute capital punishment for marijuana-smokers. Quote
Guest eureka Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 What Norman says is accurate. And, evidence that Ontarians can think for themselves is abundant on this forum. Not so sure that Quebeckers and Albertans can, though. To blindly accept the decades of propaganda of the Bloc and PQ; or to swallow Harper's bogus economic expertise and social indignation does not speak well of the use of what grey matter they may have. Quote
justcrowing Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists...04/1336349.htmlI find "scary" Martin's government and its Liberal predecessor, which not only failed to properly administer government programs, but permitted AdScam's fraudulent diversion of funds to Liberal friends and party coffers. Two-tier fear <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No doubt Chretien was bad but I mean seriously people, in Ontario, seem to swear by the Liberals because they can't think for themselves. I mean, why face the facts? The Liberals govern by divine right! I was so happy when Martin just took over because I figured he would be honest about his conservative economic policies and move on with it. Apparently that is not the case... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We are in deep "doo-doo" if we have another term of Liberals. I guess Ontarians won't wake up until it is all over for this country. What a shame!! Quote
sharkman Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 This election could be really scaryBy JOHN CROSBIE ...Already Paul Martin has commenced a campaign concentrating on arousing fears about Stephen Harper's Conservatives. Rather than discussing policy or what his government has done, Martin demonizes Harper. This negative strategy to paint Harper as "scary" is intended to divert public attention away from what is really scary, namely the Liberal failures and mistakes in governing. I find "scary" Martin's government and its Liberal predecessor, which not only failed to properly administer government programs, but permitted AdScam's fraudulent diversion of funds to Liberal friends and party coffers. Two-tier fear This article is right on, the Liberals have done way more negative campaigning than positive and I think with this extra long campaign, people will tire of the same old scaremongering. Give it time to sink in. Meanwhile, the Liberal scandals are not going away. Quote
normanchateau Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 It's not just Ontario. Martin leads Harper in the Atlantic provinces, Quebec and even now in Western Canada.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Norman, you forgot to mention that Harper also wants to institute capital punishment for marijuana-smokers. Caricaturing Harper's untenable position, which is to jail people for simple possession of less than 30 grams, does not make it any more credible or any more rational. Nor does it make it any less credible or rational. But for now, it does indeed look like Martin leads Harper in Ontario, Quebec, the Atlantic provinces and even Western Canada. Sorry CPC supporters. Quote
Yaro Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Wow, overflowing maturity is evident everywhere. I mean why actually bother arguing points when you can simply point out that the other end of the country can't think for themselves, I mean it’s simply not possible to hold a different viewpoint on exactly what the facts are or to believe that the nation should head in a different direction in general. Quote
Montgomery Burns Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Do you ever get the feeling that Normanchateau is Bill Clinton in disguise? Such an obsession with polls. Why do we bother with elections? Just do a poll instead. Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.
shoop Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 An ounce is still a *ton* of weed. Favouring the status quo is not favouring possession for under 30 grams. Why must you continually distort the positions of the CPC? Possessing what quantity of weed would be sufficient to warrant incarceration in your world normie? Caricaturing Harper's untenable position, which is to jail people for simple possession of less than 30 grams, does not make it any more credible or any more rational.Nor does it make it any less credible or rational. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote
normanchateau Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Favouring the status quo is not favouring possession for under 30 grams. Why must you continually distort the positions of the CPC? Shoopie: Harper has said he opposes decriminalization for simple possession and will not reintroduce the decriminalization legislation tabled by the Liberals. Simple possession in Canada is defined as possession of less than 30 grams. Approximately 65% of Canadians arrested for marijuana-related crimes are arrested for simple possession. More than 30,000 Canadians are charged with simple possession annually. Of these, 5% go to jail. Source: http://frankdiscussion.netfirms.com/info_statistics.html The NDP, BQ, Liberals and Greens support decriminalization as do 69% of Canadians. Harper favours the status quo. Where's the distortion? Quote
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