Trudeau conintues to divide: Trudeau Liberals propose ripping up Constitution on oil, mining (taking resources away from western provinces)

[CdnFox]

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeau-libs-propose-ripping-up-constitution-on-oil-mining

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“I obviously can’t pronounce on that right now, but I do commit to looking at that,” Lametti said. “It won’t be uncontroversial, I would say with a bit of a smile.”

Controversial would be an understatement. Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe was first out the gate with a statement.

“This is an outrageous and ill-informed comment, as those agreements and the province’s control over natural resources have been entrenched in the Canadian Constitution since 1930,” Moe said in a statement.

Moe wasn’t alone in condemning Lametti’s comments.

“This would pose an unprecedented risk to national unity and Alberta condemns this federal threat in the strongest possible terms,” Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said on Twitter.

 

So basically the quick version is that in 1930 the gov't transferred control of natural resources to Alberta Manitoba and Saskatchewan.  Now they're looking seriously at revoking that and taking control of natural resources away from those provinces.

Western separation has never been a terribly serious threat, but it's gotten close to being so a few times. This however might very well end in an absolute crisis. You're going to tell alberta they don't get oil anymore? Or sask that it can't control it's potash?

This guy is the absolute worst prime minister in our history. At a time when he should be looking to heal wounds, he's trying to drive a wedge and seperate Canadians and encourage them to fight each other so he can make the next election 'east vs west for the environment' and try to win based on support in ontario and quebec.

[ExFlyer]

Another opinion piece form uber conservative Brian Lilley. (who even got punted off Ottawa talk radio for being too radical)

While I don't support Trudeau, the gist of the piece is about aboriginal chiefs wanting more. There is not a leader in this country that will say no to the aboriginals.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Another opinion piece form uber conservative Brian Lilley. (who even got punted off Ottawa talk radio for being too radical)

While I don't support Trudeau, the gist of the piece is about aboriginal chiefs wanting more. There is not a leader in this country that will say no to the aboriginals.

Tonnes of people have said no to the aboriginals - including trudea (that's for the donation!!)

ANd this is one of many such pieces.  You can dislike lilley all you want - but that is an actual quote from the minister and the responses are actual responses from the premiers.

Are you honestly saying you DON'T think the prarie provinces will react negatively to this?

Don't make excuses for the liberals - this is bad. This is the kind of stuff that rips the country apart. And justin has NEVER had trouble saying no to the first nations before.

[ExFlyer]

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Tonnes of people have said no to the aboriginals - including trudea (that's for the donation!!)

ANd this is one of many such pieces.  You can dislike lilley all you want - but that is an actual quote from the minister and the responses are actual responses from the premiers.

Are you honestly saying you DON'T think the prarie provinces will react negatively to this?

Don't make excuses for the liberals - this is bad. This is the kind of stuff that rips the country apart. And justin has NEVER had trouble saying no to the first nations before.

They (all political parties and leaders) never say no, they just let them talk and nod their heads and rarely do anything (fortunately in my opinion).

It is not that I do not like him, Lilley is just a bit too extreme for me, like a few posters on this forum. He does make some points but, he does tend to ramble.

Of course I am not saying prairie provinces won't react, resources are their only income.

I never make excuses for liberals (or conservatives or ndp or even greenies), I just like balanced reporting and effective action.

To add, Lametti is a finger puppet and would not make any comment until it is vetted by Justins mouthpiece, Telford.

As even Lilley said "he would commit to “looking at that” would be controversial. Instead of telling those assembled the truth, he tried to make it sound like he would do something, anything, regarding their concerns.

Lametti was pandering to the crowd at best."

Edited April 12, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

They (all political parties and leaders) never say no, they just let them talk and nod their heads and rarely do anything (fortunately in my opinion).

well making an announcement like this is indeed 'doing something'.  It creates division and tension even if they don't take another step towards it. It's bad for the country.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

It is not that I do not like him, Lilley is just a bit too extreme for me, like a few posters on this forum. He does make some points but, he does tend to ramble.

Fine, but in this case the meat of the article is legit.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Of course I am not saying prairie provinces won't react, resources are their only income.

I never make excuses for liberals (or conservatives or ndp or even greenies), I just like balanced reporting and effective action.

i feel you kind of are downplaying what the liberals are doing here. It's bad. Even if this is as far as they go.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

To add, Lametti is a finger puppet and would not make any comment until it is vetted by Justins mouthpiece, Telford.

As even Lilley said "he would commit to “looking at that” would be controversial. Instead of telling those assembled the truth, he tried to make it sound like he would do something, anything, regarding their concerns.

Lametti was pandering to the crowd at best."

If that's all it is- and thats best case - it's STILL divisive and harmful.  Having the provinces at each others throats is BAD for canada.  Like - really bad. And this dumps a whole bucket of gasoline on that.

There is NO call to be this divisive and tear canada apart like this.

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well making an announcement like this is indeed 'doing something'.  It creates division and tension even if they don't take another step towards it. It's bad for the country.

Fine, but in this case the meat of the article is legit.

i feel you kind of are downplaying what the liberals are doing here. It's bad. Even if this is as far as they go.

If that's all it is- and thats best case - it's STILL divisive and harmful.  Having the provinces at each others throats is BAD for canada.  Like - really bad. And this dumps a whole bucket of gasoline on that.

There is NO call to be this divisive and tear canada apart like this.

 

Not downplaying at all. The provinces are already giving and kowtowing to the aboriginals, as is the federal government. The aboriginals have figured this out, how to double dip LOL.

The unfortunate thing is that provinces are always in disagreement with each other. Be it Quebec against all of Canada and the other provinces or BC against Alberta's pipelines etc. Canada and it's provinces are sort of becoming like the US vs the individual states. The power struggle between the feds and provinces is just growing.

Like I said, Lametti is a lame duck, he would not say anything of value without permission from Telford, and he didn't say or announce anything. Saying we will look into it is a below zero response.

As for Lilley, in my mind, he is like Peter Doocy of Fox news, they are the story more than the actual news they are reporting by their extremism..

Edited April 12, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

The provinces are already giving and kowtowing to the aboriginals, as is the federal government.

How?

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The unfortunate thing is that provinces are always in disagreement with each other.

Not really.  Most of the time they don't even really care what the others are doing. Quebec might be an exception - and sure that causes a lot of problems but it's only one province. So - why turn it into open hostility with ALL the provinces?

This is just bad politics and despite you saying you're not trying to downplay it, downplaying it by saying 'well provinces are always mad and this guy won't really follow through" is still downplaying it. This will make provinces far more hostile and will create far worse tensions between the first nations and both levels of gov't.

This is far more serious than you're suggesting.

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

How?

Not really.  Most of the time they don't even really care what the others are doing. Quebec might be an exception - and sure that causes a lot of problems but it's only one province. So - why turn it into open hostility with ALL the provinces?

This is just bad politics and despite you saying you're not trying to downplay it, downplaying it by saying 'well provinces are always mad and this guy won't really follow through" is still downplaying it. This will make provinces far more hostile and will create far worse tensions between the first nations and both levels of gov't.

This is far more serious than you're suggesting.

The provinces are making land deals and payments to aboriginal groups, as are the feds. On top of all the federal and provincial payments being made regularly, which I call indigenous welfare. Double dipping.

I mentioned BC's stand against Alberta oil pipelines. Inter provincial trade barriers come to mind as well.

Bad politics? Well, that depends on how you are feeling that day. One day saying nothing is bad politics, another day saying nothing is smart politics.

I am not suggesting anything. What I can say is politicians say all sorts of things, some trial balloons, some just to appease to an audience with no intent of doing anything except to get out of the meeting unharmed. LOL

I do feel comfortable in saying that the liberals (or any sitting government) would not tear apart a 1930's constitutional resource right.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The provinces are making land deals and payments to aboriginal groups, as are the feds.

Wait - what land deals have happened recently?

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

On top of all the federal and provincial payments being made regularly, which I call indigenous welfare.

you mean the spending that's been going on forever? That's not really new.

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Bad politics? Well, that depends on how you are feeling that day.

No, this is always bad politics. Dividing the people of a country and pitting one group against another is bad politics.

Well - it would seem we're going to disagree here.  I think ripping the country apart and dividing people is bad. You very clearly are more comfortable with it. I guess it's another case of agree to disagree.

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Wait - what land deals have happened recently?

you mean the spending that's been going on forever? That's not really new.

No, this is always bad politics. Dividing the people of a country and pitting one group against another is bad politics.

Well - it would seem we're going to disagree here.  I think ripping the country apart and dividing people is bad. You very clearly are more comfortable with it. I guess it's another case of agree to disagree.

BC  and Ontario have been making deals.

Yup, the ongoing Indian welfare payments from the feds and provinces.

Have politics ever been good??? I guess if you are a supporter it is all good LOL

Yup, especially if one believes supposition, innuendo, rumour and opinion pieces. Personally, I wait for real action and then react.

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

BC  and Ontario have been making deals.

I haven't heard of any new ones

48 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup, the ongoing Indian welfare payments from the feds and provinces.

well that's kind of mandated by law.

48 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Have politics ever been good??? I guess if you are a supporter it is all good LOL

Sure - there's lots of good politics. politcs that seek to unite, or to empower the people instead of empowering the gov't. etc etc.

48 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup, especially if one believes supposition, innuendo, rumour and opinion pieces.

Or, y'know, govt announcements that they're considering something

While i find the idea that "We can trust the liberals to be lying" somewhat believable, it's still bad politics

[myata]

Maybe they can see something looming in the air. The mindless party has been going on for a while need new sources of revenue you know. And what can be new around here? Think, think.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Maybe they can see something looming in the air. The mindless party has been going on for a while need new sources of revenue you know. And what can be new around here? Think, think.

Sure, nationalize the oil production.  Sort of a national energy pro....  whoooops.

[myata]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sort of a national energy pro....  whoooops.

Genius! It will last us a few decades, no?