NDP to be deciding factor in Commons vote to require Katie Telford testimony on interference

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/news/ndp-vote-katie-telford-testify-interference

Who whoooooo - so he could continue to back the libs be forever labelled as their lapdog OR he can turn on them but POSSIBLY paint himself into a corner where there's an election that he does not want right now.

It'll be interesting to see which way he leaps. If he's smart he'll compel telford.  But he does have to be very careful not to be cast as being 'anti chinese'

[myata]

In what kind of democracy the right of citizens to know what's going on in their country depends on a whim of minor political functionaries? A mirror, sore and shameful. Hello, China North.

Edited March 21, 2023 by myata

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, myata said:

In what kind of democracy the right of citizens to know what's going on in their country depends on a whim of minor political functionaries?

The kind where voters make bad decisions.

[myata]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The kind where voters make bad decisions

In this setting, there are no good decisions. Limiting choices to the minimum is not going to produce best results; and nobody promised even satisfactory ones. The law of negative selection. "Voters" cannot be blamed for obvious flaws of the system.

Edited March 21, 2023 by myata

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, myata said:

In this setting, there are no good decisions. Limiting choices to the minimum is not going to produce best results; and nobody promised even satisfactory ones. The law of negative selection. "Voters" cannot be blamed for obvious flaws of the system.

There are always good decisions. Including participating in the party to select candidates and leaders and set policy and priority. those are good decisions. Also forming lobby groups to pressure for what you want is not a bad idea - gun owners certainly learned that.  Then they kind of forgot it and now look.

It's too easy to say 'oh, i don't like the system so i give up'.  Sorry - if you want democracy you have to work at it

[CdnFox]

Also it looks like trudeau took the issue off the table by ordering her to appear rather than take the hit of being forced to. This just isn't going away easily for him

[PIK]

She has 2 options. Throw Trudeau under the bus or lie threw her teeth. She's been a disaster since the day she showed up in Ont politics.

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, PIK said:

She has 2 options. Throw Trudeau under the bus or lie threw her teeth. She's been a disaster since the day she showed up in Ont politics.

Ima go ahead and put my money on 'lie through teeth"

Well that and i suspect she'll filibuster a lot and also claim security issues and refuse to answer  a number of things.  And the usual deflection tricks - claiming she can't speak on behalf of others when asked what they were told, not fully understanding the question and having to ask for clarification 100 times, etc.

[myata]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's too easy to say 'oh, i don't like the system so i give up'.  Sorry - if you want democracy you have to work at it

Look, for me democracy is an important, conscious matter not a quick spit, stick and hope for the best thing. If it doesn't make sense  and cannot work for me as a citizen why should I bother to play into it, and more importantly, give it credibility by participating?

Edited March 22, 2023 by myata

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, myata said:

Look, for me democracy is an important, conscious matter not a quick spit, stick and hope for the best thing.

It's SOOOO important to you that you'll give up and let others run it for you   Lol.  C'mon. That's not a real answer.

And democracy is by it's very nature a patchwork in progress. Spit stick and hope is it's wheelhouse and always has been

BTW - your comment reminded me of a great humourous quote from an american politician so i'll share it - "Democracy is WAY too important to be left to the people."

Anyway - in a democracy the world is run by those who show up. So show up.

39 minutes ago, myata said:

If it doesn't make sense  and cannot work for me as a citizen why should I bother to play into it, and more importantly, give it credibility by participating?

In the hopes that like minded people will join you and bring change. Welcome to democracy.

[PIK]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ima go ahead and put my money on 'lie through teeth"

Well that and i suspect she'll filibuster a lot and also claim security issues and refuse to answer  a number of things.  And the usual deflection tricks - claiming she can't speak on behalf of others when asked what they were told, not fully understanding the question and having to ask for clarification 100 times, etc.

I hope she does.