Aid Group blames U.S. U.K. for Abductions

[scribblet]

How about blaming the abductors, note they also blame the US for it's "occupation" but on the other hand they say they are there help the Iraqi people "build a new society" Really !! How hypocritical

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Aid group blames U.S., U.K. for Iraq abductions

CTV.ca News Staff

The aid group whose four members were abducted at gunpoint in Baghdad on Saturday blames U.S. and British aggression in Iraq for the hostage-taking.

In a statement, Christian Peacemakers Teams said it was outraged that the four pacifists, including a pair of Canadians, are now suffering for a war they didn't create.

"We are angry because what has happened to our teammates is the result of the actions of the U.S. and U.K. governments due to the illegal attack on Iraq and the continuing occupation and oppression of its people," the Toronto- and Chicago-based organization wrote in the statement posted online.

Earlier in the day, CPT confirmed that a video aired on Arab television does indeed show its four members who were abducted over the weekend.

"We were disturbed by seeing the video and believe that repeated showing of it will endanger the lives of our friends," the group wrote in its statement.

[Argus]

How about blaming the abductors, note they also  blame the US for it's "occupation" but on the other hand they say they are there help the Iraqi people "build a new society"  Really !!  How hypocritical

Well, let's face it; these people aren't there because they're geniuses.

Hands up all who really give a damn about them.

I see Martin making stern pronouncements on this issue, faithfully quoted by the idiots in media.

"You can rest assured that we are doing everything in our power to bring these men home."

Uh, like what? Well, nothing, actually. There isn't a damn thing we can do. We have no embassy in Iraq and no contacts there. Of course, you can't go on TV and say that. Not good optics, y'know.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear scriblett,

In a statement, Christian Peacemakers Teams said it was outraged that the four pacifists, including a pair of Canadians, are now suffering for a war they didn't create.

Sadly, I think they are suffering for their own stupidity. Prosetylizing is punishable by death in some Muslim countries, and is therefore inherently dangerous, especially in one that is currently under strife and where the invaders have been accused of being 'crusaders'.

[Black Dog]

Sadly, I think they are suffering for their own stupidity. Prosetylizing is punishable by death in some Muslim countries, and is therefore inherently dangerous, especially in one that is currently under strife and where the invaders have been accused of being 'crusaders'.

They weren't prosetylizing. They were asking questions about treatment of detainees and human rights abuses. The wrong questions, I expect. The Iraqi government is carrying out extrajuduicial kidnappings and murders: it's quite possible these people were grabbed by elements within the Iraqi security forces (the group that claims to have kidnapped them was unheard of before this incident).

Here's some background:

What Hostages Were Doing in Iraq

Killings Linked to Shiite Squads in Iraqi Police Force

[moderateamericain]

more proof that the terrorist in Iraq are nothing more than thugs, those people if anything wanted to help iraq then hurt it, but these terrorist dont care, they are just thugs. The kill indiscrimanetly, it does not matter. those of you who defend their actions would do well to remember that if it were you, it wouldnt matter anymore to them than if it were a US soldier.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Black Dog,

They weren't prosetylizing.

Thanks for correcting me here. What I should have said (or at least implied better)was 'that it would be easy to make the accusation of prosetylizing' against activists who happen to be Christian.

Moderateamericain claims:

The kill indiscrimanetly, it does not matter.

but this is false.

[Black Dog]

more proof that the terrorist in Iraq are nothing more than thugs, those people if anything wanted to help iraq then hurt it, but these terrorist dont care, they are just thugs. The kill indiscrimanetly, it does not matter. those of you who defend their actions would do well to remember that if it were you, it wouldnt matter anymore to them than if it were a US soldier.

Who's defending these actions?

[tml12]

How about blaming the abductors, note they also  blame the US for it's "occupation" but on the other hand they say they are there help the Iraqi people "build a new society"   Really !!   How hypocritical

Well, let's face it; these people aren't there because they're geniuses.

Hands up all who really give a damn about them.

I see Martin making stern pronouncements on this issue, faithfully quoted by the idiots in media.

"You can rest assured that we are doing everything in our power to bring these men home."

Uh, like what? Well, nothing, actually. There isn't a damn thing we can do. We have no embassy in Iraq and no contacts there. Of course, you can't go on TV and say that. Not good optics, y'know.

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Totally agreed.

[August1991]

They weren't prosetylizing. They were asking questions about treatment of detainees and human rights abuses.

In a curious way, these two Canadians are suicide bombers.

I feel no obligation to anyone who goes to Iraq now, or in fact many other difficult countries. Welcome to Extreme Tourism. Been there, done that. Should the rest of us suffer for your lifestyle choice?

I do not want any western government to negotiate anything for their release. If you drive fast, you enjoy the fun and take your risk. These kids choose to go to oogy-boogy countries where the CBC phones them on the cell, makes them feel important and asks them "how do you feel about your choice to help humanity".

Well, it's their choice, their fifteen minutes.

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More pertinent. These Christian Peacekeepers are against all forms of violence.

So, how would they have dealt with someone like Marc Lepine? Would these two guys now hostages in Iraq have prevented the deaths of fourteen women if they had gone to the Poly when Lepine arrived?

Is this how we deal with psychos like Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Marc Lepine? Stand in front of them and get shot?

The whacko Left are suicide bombers too. The Todd Beamer approach is different. Why?

Someone who dies trying to take out Clifford Olsen is not the same as someone who dies to defend Clifford Olsen in a police take-out.

There are Muslim Clifford Olsens in this world, they even live in the Middle East and they rise to political importance. Should we feel sympathy for someone who protects a Clifford Olsen arguing that his incarceration solves nothing since violence solves nothing? Will Olsen's imprisonment only perpetuate the cycle of violence,?

[PocketRocket]

Here's the way I see this.

Imagine this scenario......

There's a vicious turf-war between two street gangs. One night it excalates to the point where the police cordon off several blocks.

People are prevented from entering, and told the danger that is raging within.

Somebody sneaks past the police cordon.

They get hurt.

They then say it's the fault of ONE of the gangs, but not the gang that attacked them.

Well, duh!!!!!

Another twist.....

An amusement park is closed down.

Signs are posted "Do not enter!!!!! Danger!!!! Area unsafe!!!!"

Someone sneaks in, turns on the electricity, and decides to try out the rides, which are old and delapitated.

The ferris-wheel breaks, and the joy-riders are hurt.

They blame the ferris-wheel manufacturer.

Well, duh again!!!!!

When you've been warned by your own government, and the world community, and the USA, and Great Britain, and just about everyone under the sun, to stay OUT of Iraq because THERE'S A BLOODY WAR GOING ON and the insurgents are KNOWN FOR KIDNAPPING INDESCRIMINATELY, and then you decide to go on in anyway, WITHOUT any special military protection......

Well, freakin' DUH!!!!!

They want to know whose fault it is that they're in serious trouble????

Send them a mirror!!!!!

[Black Dog]

I feel no obligation to anyone who goes to Iraq now, or in fact many other difficult countries. Welcome to Extreme Tourism. Been there, done that. Should the rest of us suffer for your lifestyle choice?

And you're suffering how?

I do not want any western government to negotiate anything for their release. If you drive fast, you enjoy the fun and take your risk. These kids choose to go to oogy-boogy countries where the CBC phones them on the cell, makes them feel important and asks them "how do you feel about your choice to help humanity".

Yeah: these punk kids were just looking for fame:

Canadians James Loney, 41, and Harmeet Singh Sooden, 32, were kidnapped at gunpoint on Nov. 26 in Baghdad, along with Briton Norman Kember, 74, and American Tom Fox, 54.

There are Muslim Clifford Olsens in this world, they even live in the Middle East and they rise to political importance. Should we feel sympathy for someone who protects a Clifford Olsen arguing that his incarceration solves nothing since violence solves nothing? Will Olsen's imprisonment only perpetuate the cycle of violence,?

I know facile analogies are something of a specialty with you, but this one takes the cake. Individuals living under oppressive and violent regimes are not the regime.

The whacko Left are suicide bombers too.

[Montgomery Burns]

The MSM and the left are giving so much attention to the 4 "peace activists" being held hostage in Iraq, but they barely gave any attention to Ronald Schulz who was murdered by terrorists 5 days ago.

This is just another example of the moral bankruptcy of the left. Schulz being taken hostage and then killed merited little attention because he was trying to help rebuild Iraq. The "peace activists" lives are more valuable than Schulz's because they were in Iraq to document American "abuses" and they were anti-war.