Finally Some Sense on Health Care

[scribblet]

I don't know, there's 54 days left in the campaign and it's going to be during the worst of winter.  Martin may just overdue it and have a health emergency.  This might just play into the CPC hands.

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I thought he looked older, this kind stress would be hard on anyone, and he's no spring chicken any more. I wonder if there is a leadership review will run again?

Harper has made it patently clear that private health care is definitely not an issue. A good move on his part and he is very clear on that. Party positions change, this is a new party, new policies. The issue is now what will each party promise or assure us of, today.

He actually is saying that these private businesses are appearing because the public system has broken down, so obviously if we fix the system, private care wouldn't be an issue. I believe at least 50% of Canadians agree with him on this

Harper is the only leader speaking honestly with us on this issue, as opposed to Martin's fibs and duplicity, and Layton.... Mind you I am still in favour of having a choice, I still would like the option of purchasing a diagnostic procedure for instance, if I needed one and didn't want to wait. I suppose if allk parties are saying no to private care, then all the publicly funded abortion clinics would have to close down, and Shouldice surgery in Toronto. That would be a shame.

[normanchateau]

Mind you I am still in favour of having a choice, I still would like the option of purchasing a diagnostic procedure for instance, if I needed one and didn't want to wait.  I suppose if allk parties are saying no to private care, then all the publicly funded abortion clinics would have to close down, and Shouldice surgery in Toronto.  That would be a shame.

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You're in luck scriblett. Harper has numerous positions on health care and they keep shifting. One of his former positions included giving us choice and I'm sure he'll bring that position back if he's elected. There's no need for him to tell us everything he'll do just now. Best to save his best ideas unrtil after he's elected.

[willy]

. Harper has numerous positions on health care and they keep shifting. One of his former positions included giving us choice and I'm sure he'll bring that position back if he's elected. There's no need for him to tell us everything he'll do just now. Best to save his best ideas unrtil after he's elected.

Hey that sounds worse than what we have now. Be in pain or risk dieing in a line up or be in pain and risk dieing in a line up.

[normanchateau]

. Harper has numerous positions on health care and they keep shifting. One of his former positions included giving us choice and I'm sure he'll bring that position back if he's elected. There's no need for him to tell us everything he'll do just now. Best to save his best ideas unrtil after he's elected.

Hey that sounds worse than what we have now. Be in pain or risk dieing in a line up or be in pain and risk dieing in a line up.

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Harper saving his best ideas until after he's elected "sounds worse than what we have now."?

[shoop]

Politicians having health issues during elections tend to get sympathy support.

Best case situation is he gets laryngitis and has to croak out his standard campaign speech.

I don't know, there's 54 days left in the campaign and it's going to be during the worst of winter.  Martin may just overdue it and have a health emergency.  This might just play into the CPC hands.

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[sharkman]

Harper is trying to fix the Health problem created by the Liberals in the nineties when they cut transfer payments to the provinces. Martin supporters are surprised that no one believes him about his health care plans since he caused it in the first place.

Add to that Martin's personal doctor works in a private clinic and you have more Liberal hypocrisy.

[normanchateau]

Harper is trying to fix the Health problem created by the Liberals

Harper is trying to get elected and his constantly shifting position on health care reflects that. The problem is he's lost so much credibility with his shifts that there's no reason to believe him now.

[sharkman]

Martin supporters are surprised that no one believes him about his health care plans since he caused it in the first place. 

Add to that Martin's personal doctor works in a private clinic and you have more Liberal hypocrisy. 

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Martin looks bad in this issue. He actually uses private health care while trying to defend his 'solution' for public health care. Well, all the more votes for the CPC!

[normanchateau]

Martin looks bad in this issue.  He actually uses private health care while trying to defend his 'solution' for public health care.  Well, all the more votes for the CPC!

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The question is will Martin's use of private health care trump Harper's shifting position and credibility on health care? I know you have your opinion and I have mine. We'll know on January 23rd.

[sharkman]

The question is will Martin's use of private health care trump Harper's shifting position and credibility on health care?  I know you have your opinion and I have mine. We'll know on January 23rd.

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Well, you'll have to add to the Martin side his cutting of transfer payments in the mid nineties and doing nothing about the long health care line ups that even our Supreme Court said was unconstitutional. The Liberal Romanov Report also previously said our health care system needed change. The Liberals did nothing for about a decade, and now they start making all kinds of promises during a campaign.

Harper, on the other hand, doesn't have all that baggage.

[normanchateau]

Harper, on the other hand, doesn't have all that baggage.

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No Harper doesn't have the baggage of turning Canada into an economic leader among all G-8 nations. His only baggage is Reform, NCC, Alliance, social conservatism, religious conservatism, complete inability to unite the right, dismissal by Klein, Campbell, Clark and most every other former PC supporter.

[sharkman]

And a right handsome set of baggage it is.

Btw, Martin did his thing during a prolonged growth cycle in the nineties and still had to gut the military and our health care system to do it.

[justcrowing]

Harper is trying to fix the Health problem created by the Liberals in the nineties when they cut transfer payments to the provinces.  Martin supporters are surprised that no one believes him about his health care plans since he caused it in the first place. 

Add to that Martin's personal doctor works in a private clinic and you have more Liberal hypocrisy. 

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Martin had to make cuts and grabs for how else could he create a surplus. He even threw in the civil servants pension fund into his surplus funds. Nice guy while he registers CSL in a foreign country, builds ships in China; gets loans from Canada; pays slave labour wages; and avoids paying his share of Canadian taxes. Now there's someone to worship as a leader of our country.

[normanchateau]

And a right handsome set of baggage it is.

Are you referring to Harper's baggage?

[sharkman]

And a right handsome set of baggage it is.

Btw, Martin did his thing during a prolonged growth cycle in the nineties and still had to gut the military and our health care system to do it.

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yep. I'd vote for that set of baggage in a heart beat, and so would 31% of Canadians as of today. We're gettng closer!

[normanchateau]

And a right handsome set of baggage it is.

Btw, Martin did his thing during a prolonged growth cycle in the nineties and still had to gut the military and our health care system to do it.

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yep. I'd vote for that set of baggage in a heart beat, and so would 31% of Canadians as of today. We're gettng closer!

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Fortunately 69% of Canadians still support parties to the left of CPC. CPC will never form a majority government with Harper as leader. they will need to adopt a leader with moderate policies like Joe Clark, Diefenbaker and the PCs did.

[justcrowing]

And a right handsome set of baggage it is.

Btw, Martin did his thing during a prolonged growth cycle in the nineties and still had to gut the military and our health care system to do it.

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yep. I'd vote for that set of baggage in a heart beat, and so would 31% of Canadians as of today. We're gettng closer!

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Hey so will I give him my vote and I wasn't polled.

[normanchateau]

Hey so will I give him my vote and I wasn't polled. 

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Well I was polled and said I was undecided. I am undecided as to who I'll vote for but I've decided who I won't vote for...CPC.

[scribblet]

Harper is trying to fix the Health problem created by the Liberals in the nineties when they cut transfer payments to the provinces.  Martin supporters are surprised that no one believes him about his health care plans since he caused it in the first place. 

Add to that Martin's personal doctor works in a private clinic and you have more Liberal hypocrisy. 

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Martin had to make cuts and grabs for how else could he create a surplus. He even threw in the civil servants pension fund into his surplus funds. Nice guy while he registers CSL in a foreign country, builds ships in China; gets loans from Canada; pays slave labour wages; and avoids paying his share of Canadian taxes. Now there's someone to worship as a leader of our country.

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Just an all round sweety isn't he. Its Time for a Change

[normanchateau]

Its  Time for a Change

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Yes it is. Time for CPC to change leaders so they can get a shot at forming government.

[Guest eureka]

Uou just may have the option of buying diagnostic procedures, Scribblet, of Harper wins. Though how you do that when, as I think you said, you are on a fixed income.

It seems to have passed unnoticed that Harper's announcement called for private insurance to pay for reduced waiting times. He wanted reduced waiting times in the public system with the option of private insurance if the times should not meet prescribed minimums.

That means private clinics and private insurance since, as has been shown repeatedly in these discussions, private care can only lead to reduced inputs in public care.

For the poster who wants the private element here instead of having our money go to the US: private here means that our money will go to the US, for, under Free NAFTA rules, once they are allowed in in the smallest way, they cannot be kepy out.

[justcrowing]

Australia rated as the #1 best country in the world in which to live and rated higher than Canada regarding medicare, has a two-tier system - people in OZ are very happy with their medicare system. How do I know, cuz I have a lot of relatives there.

http://www.medicare.gov.au/

I have extended medicare for which I pay which covers things that are not covered in our public system or is partially covered. So if you think that Canada does not already have a two-tier system, think again.

I also pay for out of country medical treatment when I travel and this amount is deducted off my medical claim on my Income Tax.

No, I & my spouse are not rich by any matter of means and on a fixed income and we can manage.

Many other countries in the world have a two-tier system and it works well for their citizens. Canadians abused our system along with dumping hundreds of thousands of immigrants/refugees on a system that was unprepared for this influx of people. Liberals gutted it, so welcome to the new world that was created for you by the Liberals so stop whining since the complainers elected the Liberals.

[normanchateau]

Australia rated as the #1 best country in the world in which to live and rated higher than Canada regarding medicare, has a two-tier system - people in OZ are very happy with their medicare system.  How do I know, cuz I have a lot of relatives there.

You'll have to convince Harper. He now opposes a two-tier system even though he previously favoured it.

[justcrowing]

Australia rated as the #1 best country in the world in which to live and rated higher than Canada regarding medicare, has a two-tier system - people in OZ are very happy with their medicare system.  How do I know, cuz I have a lot of relatives there.

You'll have to convince Harper. He now opposes a two-tier system even though he previously favoured it.

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Well the socialist herd have been yapping negatively and he is simply trying to give you socialists what you want since you appear to be in the majority. Can't blame him but you know, it'll cost every citizen big time.

[normanchateau]

he is simply trying to give you socialists what you want since you appear to be in the majority.  Can't blame him but you know, it'll cost every citizen big time.

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I'm not a socialist and CPC supporters are mistaken if they think that every Harper opponent is a socialist. What I oppose is social conservatism, not fiscal conservatism. I'd have no problem voting for a Progressive Conservative or any other party that was not full of social conservatives.

Besides, for all his faults, I'd never accuse Harper of trying to give people what they want.