199 Questions For Your Liberal Candidate

[rbacon]

This is just a short quick list of things to ask your Liberal Candidate at the door or at a forum if you get the mike. Be sure to copy and paste on as many forums as you can, also print and hand them out to friends and neighbors.----199 Things Liberals Need to Answer For

A.K.A: 199 Reasons to NOT vote Liberal

1. Cancelling the Sea King replacement

2. Sponsorship scandal

3. Gun Registry

4. HRDC boondoggle

5. Problems with Transition Job Funds program

6. Tainted blood

7. Radwanski Spending Affair

8. Pearson Airport

9. GST Flip Flop

10. Airbus Investigation

11. Voting against Red Book promise of independent Ethics Commissioner

12. Irving fishing lodge stays/travel on Irving jets for cabinet ministers

13. Martin traveling on private corporate jets as Finance Minister

14. Don Boudria’s stay at Boulay owned chalet

15. Denis Coderre staying with Boulay

16. Alfonso Gagliano being appointed Ambassador to Denmark

17. Shawinigate

18. Claude Gauthier (PM’s friend)’s Transelec getting CIDA grant that was questioned by the Auditor General and even CIDA.

19. Liberal fundraiser Pierre Corbeil charged with fraud by RCMP after he approached several Quebec companies seeking federal job training grants and asking for payments to Liberal Party, having gotten the names from senior Quebec Liberal Minister, Marcel Massé.

20. Michel Dupuy, Heritage Minister, lobbying the CRTC.

21. Tom Wappel refusing to help blind veteran

22. Gagliano’s son benefiting from contracts from his father’s department

23. Gagliano’s former speechwriter, Michèle Tremblay was on a $5,000 a month retainer with the Canada Lands Company to provide speeches for the Minister. Former President John Grant let her go saying “we got nothing in return.” Grant claimed that all Crown Corporations reporting to Mr. Gagliano were told to put Ms. Tremblay on a monthly retainer.

24. Iltis replacement

25. Purchase of new Challenger jets for the Prime Minister and cabinet

26. NATO Flying Training program contract

27. Liberal friends appointed as IRB judges being investigated by RCMP

28. Hedy Fry’s imaginary burning crosses

29. Maria Minna’s improper municipal vote

30. Minna giving contracts to two former campaign staffers for public relations work for a conference that had already been held

31. Lawrence MacAulay and contracts directed to Holland College

32. Lawrence MacAulay and Tim Banks

33. Lawrence MacAulay hired his official agent, Everett Roche, for $70K, but Roche never did any work for it. (Oct 2002)

34. Art Eggleton and contracts to his ex-girlfriend

35. Copps’ aide Boyer’s spending habits

36. Collenette resigns for breach of ethical guidelines involving a letter he wrote to the Immigration and Refugee Board

37. APEC Inquiry

38. Andy Scott's 1998 resignation that came eight weeks too late, after a media circus wore him down for indiscreetly shooting his mouth off on an airplane.

39. Anti-American comments by Liberal MPs, officials, and the former Minister of Natural Resources.

40. Rock and the Apotex/Cipro affair

41. Rock giving Health Canada contract to car cleaning company.

42. Manley lobbying CIBC on behalf of Rod Bryden

43. Manley’s fundraiser suggesting donors to his leadership write it off as a business expense.

44. Manley using his pre-budget consultations as Minister of Finance to solicit support for his leadership bid.

45. Coderre’s relationship with Group Everest

46. Martin’s fundraiser/employee of Finance Jim Palmer

47. Martin’s “blind trust” and his relationship with CSL.

48. Gerry Byrne requesting fundraising money be sent to his home address, with no records kept.

49. Gerry Byrne pouring bulk of ACOA money into his own riding.

50. Virginia Fontaine Addictions Foundation

51. Prime Minister’s former assistant, Denise Tremblay’s huge travel expenses on Veterans Review and Appeal Board as Minister pleaded poverty to veterans’ widows.

52. Chrétien appointing Hon. Roger Simmons (former Trudeau minister convicted of income tax evasion) as Consul-General in Seattle

53. Chrétien trying to bring hit-and-run driver Carignan back into caucus.

54. The RCMP is investigating possible fraud and bribery within Industry Canada, involving possible "overpayments" to recipients of federal business grants. The probe centres on the National Research Council, which hands out federal grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.

55. More than half a dozen bureaucrats have been "removed" from their jobs at a Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) in Toronto following a police investigation into projects funded under one of the department's grants and contributions programs

56. Revenue Minister Elinor Caplan called in the RCMP and ordered a sweeping security review after four tax department computers were stolen containing confidential personal information on more than 120,000 Canadians.

57. More than $7 billion stashed in Foundations by Finance Minister Paul Martin with little or no accountability

58. Dhaliwal overseing Richmond-airport-Vancouver transit line while being owner of the airport limousine service

59. Tom Rosser, former Dhaliwal advisor lobbying Natural Resources department and minister on environmental issues only months after leaving government.

60. $5.3 million GG northern travel

61. GG budget doubles in 5 years

62. Robert Thibault giving a grant as ACOA minister to a wharf and boatyard where his brother-in-law has a monopoly.

63. Royal LePage contract, which the government was forced to cancel in the wake of serious concerns being raised.

64. Shutting down the Somalia Inquiry

65. Home heating rebate, which was sent to prisoners and deceased.

66. Martin firing Bernard Dussault, Chief Actuary of CPP

67. Ethel Blondin-Andrew buys fur coat on government credit card

68. Chrétien’s imaginary homeless friend.

69. Liberal MP Rick Laliberte’s extensive travel budget

70. Liberal Senator Thompson living in Mexico

71. Vendetta against former BDC President François Beaudoin

72. The flag give-away – which estimates suggest might now have cost $45 million instead of the promised $6 million, and reportedly involved fake invoices.

73. Gagliano’s two week trip, at taxpayers’ expense, for a two day event with the head of the Royal Canadian Mint and Maurizio Caruso.

74. Secretary of State for multiculturalism and status of women Sheila Finestone using government car (which junior ministers are only allowed to use for government business) to drive home to Montreal, which even Sheila Copps criticized. (Ottawa Citizen, May 22, 1994)

75. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria’s hate mail to his former employers, wishing that they had been shot by killer Marc Lepine

76. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria making false claims about his academic qualifications.

77. Paul Martin and Maria Minna attending fundraising dinner for group linked to Tamil Tigers in May 2000 (National Post, Sept. 8th, 2001).

78. David Anderson, as National Revenue Minister, suing the government for lost wages after being removed as IRB appointee by Conservative government seeking $454,000 from a deficit-ravaged federal treasury. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004). Anderson eventually agreed to drop the suit.

79. David Anderson suggesting that the BC doesn’t need extra House of Commons seats, because they wouldn't be worth much given the poor quality of most West Coast MPs. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004)

80. A consultant on an executive interchange program persuaded Natural Resources to undertake a $700-million reorganization of its research facilities for which no business case had been made. The program was fast-tracked because he had developed a social relationship with the deputy minister. He was eventually charged with diverting $525,000 to a numbered company he controlled. (Globe and Mail, May 30, 2005)

And the list continues under Prime Minister Martin:

81. Raid on reporter Juliet O’Neill’s home by RCMP

82. Permanent Resident Cards

83. Judy Sgro going on vacation as cards became mandatory and landed immigrants were left stranded

84. Minister Frulla’s renovations

85. Pay raises for chiefs-of-staff in ministers offices, while spending is frozen for public service.

86. The government’s changing numbers on how much money has gone to CSL

87. Lobbyists in Paul Martin’s transition team being allowed to return to lobbying immediately, after being involved in process of picking new cabinet and senior staff.

88. Minister Comuzzi’s anti-Quebec comments

89. Martin government using closure after only six days in the House of Commons, followed by using time allocation in the Senate.

90. Problems with DND’s contracts with Compaq Computers that may have cost taxpayers up to $159 million for work not performed.

91. Martin using government jets to tour the country campaigning before election, spending up to $1 million for air travel alone.

92. Martin’s relationship with Earnscliffe

93. Questionable contracts to Earnscliffe

94. The appointment of former Liberal MLA Howard Sapers as the Correctional Investigator of Canada

95. Pierre Pettigrew’s flip flopping on health care

96. David Dingwall’s expenses as head of Royal Canadian Mint

97. Liberals planning to give David Dingwall a severance package after he resigned

98. The secret National Unity Fund reserve

99. Calling an early election after earlier promising first to get to the bottom of the sponsorship scandal

100. Martin suggesting changes to legislation and introducing bill that benefited CSL, despite concerns from his own Deputy Minister that he was in a conflict-of-interest (Ottawa Citizen, May 26, 2004)

101. $99 million Public Works contract that went to company overseen by Liberal fundraiser and future Senator Paul Massicotte (Montreal Gazette, June 26, 2004)

102. Parliamentary Secretary Dan McTeague’s 3-person, $224 trip to a Pizzeria

103. Immigration Minister Judy Sgro’s staff being allowed to stay on “extended travel” benefits, letting them bill taxpayers’ for thousands of dollars in hotel rooms and meals, because they didn’t want to move from Toronto to Ottawa until after the election.

104. Correctional Service of Canada Commissioner Lucie McClung’s travel expenses

105. Contracting irregularities on more than two dozen projects at DND worth tens of millions of dollars, showing over-billing, profit excesses, unauthorized additional work, lack of accounting records, spiralling cost overruns, etc. (Globe and Mail, July 14, 2004).

106. ACOA Minister Joe McGuire canceling ACOA loan and grant to ABL Industries Inc. because it would compete with company in his riding. (Fredericton Daily Gleaner, July 17, 2004).

107. Andy Mitchell’s chief of staff’s $22,000 in expenses to commute to Ottawa (Toronto Star, August 2, 2004).

108. André Ouellet’s travel and hospitality expenses at Canada Post.

109. Government delaying release of audit on Ouellet until after the election (Globe and Mail, July 31, 2004).

110. Martin’s principle secretary Francis Fox’s sister getting untendered contracts (The Province, July 27, 2004).

111. Continuing problems in advertising files at Public Works (Ottawa Sun, July 26, 2004).

112. A Liberal Party of Canada fundraising letter signed by Paul Martin, asking potential contributors to offer $7,000, $7,100 or $7,200 in contributions – far in excess of donation limits passed by the very same Liberal government

113. Liberal Senator Raymond Lavigne violating municipal bylaws. Municipality pursuing legal action against him. (Ottawa Citizen, August 19, 2004).

114. Spa Days for inmates approved by the Correctional Service of Canada, which on Aug. 21 invited inmates at the Grand Valley Institution for Women in Kitchener, Ont., to dabble with manicures, pedicures and aromatherapy, not to mention cups of tea served in fine china, all accompanied by a harp serenade. (National Post, September 9, 2004).

115. Five employees in the ''overwhelmed'' immigration section of Canada's embassy in Iran have been fired over the past year after they each were caught breaching federal ethics rules (National Post, September 13, 2004).

116. Questionable contracts and spending from the Canada Investment and Savings group set up by Martin in 1996 (Globe and Mail, September 13, 2004)

117. Questionable contracting practices at Canada Information Office (The Hill Times, September 13, 2004).

118. A top Canadian diplomat based in China has resigned amid reports he is being investigated for allegedly taking bribes to help Chinese nationals enter Canada illegally. (Vancouver Sun, September 22, 2004).

119. Abuse of government credit cards by staff at Fisheries Department (CP Wire, September 24, 2004).

120. Canada’s questionable hiring of the niece of Syria's foreign affairs minister to work at the embassy in Damascus (Globe and Mail, October 5, 2004)

121. Hélène Scherrer using Challenger to fly to Banff during election to give partisan speech

122. Abuse of Challengers by Paul Martin and various ministers (eg. Andy Mitchell, Claudette Bradshaw)

123. Abuse of Challenger jets for political business instead of government business (Le Devoir, October 4, 2005)

124. Paul Martin taking Challenger jets to Liberal fundraisers

125. Challenger food bill of $508 per flight

126. Expenses during election filed by aide to Ralph Goodale

127. Questionable expenses during election filed by aides to Judy Sgro

128. Ongoing problems and safety concerns with the submarine program

129. Various federal departments reported in excess of $1.1 million in theft of computers in 2003, but the information is potentially more valuable than the hardware (Vancouver Sun, October 14, 2004).

130. According to the latest public-accounts-of-Canada reports for the period March 2004 and March 2005, over 700 laptops, desktops and central processing units went missing from 35 federal government agencies -- worth $6 million. (The Province, October 19, 2005)

131. Federal government has lost track of $587 million a year in EI overpayments and underpayments at the Department of Human Resources. (Ottawa Citizen, October 12, 2004). However, the government defends itself by stating that in fact it has only lost track of $25 million a year and collects the other overpayments. (Ottawa Citizen, October 13, 2004)

132. $133,000 grant to a Toronto film company that used classified ads to search for the "perfect" penis. (National Post, October 14, 2004).

133. Man convicted of fraud against government hired to teach ethics course to public servants (National Post, October 20, 2004).

134. Public Works selling confiscated grow-op equipment to drug traffickers. (National Post, October 21, 2004).

135. Pressure by Liberal MPs and ministers on ACOA to make funding decisions based on politics (New Brunswick Telegraph Journal, October 25, 2004).

136. Paul Martin’s Director of Communications Scott Reid insulting Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador (Toronto Star, October 28, 2004)

137. The Martin government spent $127,223 on a poll last February testing ways to diffuse negative reaction to the bombshell auditor-general's report -- which included the finding the Liberals ignored their own rules prohibiting the use of tax dollars on partisan polls (Vancouver Sun, November 8, 2004).

138. Judy Sgro’s campaign volunteer (a stripper) getting ministerial permit

139. Sgro’s senior policy advisor going to strip club to meet with owner to discuss bringing more strippers into Canada. (National Post, November 25, 2004). Subsequent revelations indicate that he went to at least one other strip club to conduct similar meetings (Toronto Sun, December 7, 2004)

140. Sgro giving out details of private immigration files, violating Privacy Act

141. Allegations that Sgro broke the elections law in failing to properly identify the source of a campaign contribution. (Toronto Star, December 8, 2004).

142. Revelations that the program to bring in foreign exotic dancers was created under pressure from organized crime (National Post, December 18, 2004)

143. Irwin Cotler appointing his former chief-of-staff to federal court (National Post, November 23, 2004).

144. Heritage Minister Liza Frulla giving grant to magazine that put her on the cover and made her honourary president (Ottawa Citizen, November 25, 2004)

145. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing Liberal MP John Harvard as Lt-Governor of Manitoba, in order to get him to step aside for “star” candidate Glen Murray.

146. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing Liberal MP Yvon Charbonneau to UNESCO, in order to get him to step aside for Martin crony Pablo Rodriguez.

147. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing former Liberal MP Karen Kraft-Sloan as Ambassador for the Environment. (Department of Foreign Affairs Press Release, February 16, 2005).

148. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing defeated Liberal candidate Dave Haggard as the chair of a newly created Advisory Committee on Apprenticeship. (OIC 2005-0001)

149. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointed his friend Dennis Dawson to the Senate

150. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointed his former Principal Secretary Francis Fox to the Senate

151. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointed disgraced former cabinet minister Art Eggleton to the Senate

152. Martin and his wife complaining about having to live in 24 Sussex (Edmonton Journal, November 17, 2004)

153. Millennium Bureau spending done with same lack of controls and oversight of sponsorship program

154. The RCMP has charged a senior Immigration Canada manager and four accomplices in an alleged bribes-for-status scheme in which Arab immigrants paid up to $25,000 to have their claims fast-tracked and approved (National Post, December 17, 2004)

155. Making widows of RCMP officers killed in the line of duty pay for their husbands’ funerals (Under pressure from the Conservative Party, the government reversed this policy)

156. Martin patronage-appointee Jim Walsh breaking ethics guidelines and attending Liberal Christmas Party (St. John’s Telegram, January 20, 2005).

157. Port authority losing more than $60,000 in public funds on the stock market. When Central Cape Breton Community Ventures took over the port in Iona in 2000, the private agency deposited only $5,000 of the $245,000 it received from Transport Canada into a designated bank account. The federal funding was meant to cover the port's maintenance, insurance and professional services costs (Chronicle-Herald, January 31, 2005).

158. Canadian flag lapel pins being made in China. Only under pressure, Scott Brison flip flops and agrees to have them made in Canada again.

159. Questionable dealings around the privatization of the Digby Wharf, which even Liberal MP Robert Thibault wants the RCMP to investigate (Chronicle-Herald, February 10, 2005).

160. Adrienne Clarkson spending $17,500 to evaluate cleaning at Rideau Hall (Ottawa Sun, February 19, 2005)

161. Martin patronage appointee Glen Murray breaking ethics guidelines and attending Liberal Convention as delegate

162. Martin ignoring parliamentary committee and appointing Glen Murray as chair of the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy

163. Marlene Jennings, the Parliamentary Secretary for Canada-U.S. relations, making anti-American remarks

164. Government knowing about details of torture and murder of Zahra Kazemi back in November and still sending ambassador back to Iran

165. Government knowing about details of torture and murder of Zahra Kazemi back in November but doing nothing

166. Tens of thousands of dollars were spent on questionable acquisitions at CFB Borden (Ottawa Sun, April 18, 2005).

167. Joe Volpe keeping stripper visa program operating, despite having promised to shut it down (CTV.ca, March 5, 2005)

168. Jean Lapierre acting as lobbyist without registering

169. Joe Volpe trying to intimidating Sikh community

170. In the spring of 2003, the RCMP investigated allegations that Liberal MP Gurbax Malhi had requested favours and financial support for Paul Martin's 2003 leadership campaign in exchange for helping Indian nationals get these temporary resident permits (Globe and Mail, March 10, 2005).

171. Liberals spending $443,237 to change the name Passport Office to Passport Canada (Montreal Gazette, April 21, 2005).

172. Ken Dryden’s chief of staff charged with careless driving (Ottawa Citizen, March 22, 2005)

173. Liberals trying to buy off Conservative MPs with offers of patronage positions

174. Liberals handling of the submarine program

175. Public Service Integrity Officer’s travel expenses (Ottawa Sun, May 4, 2005)

176. Liberal Senator Michel Biron going to hearing to support killer Karla Homolka (CTV News, June 9, 2005)

177. Public Works contract watchdog Consulting and Audit Canada violating contracting rules (Toronto Star, July 4, 2005)

178. Technology Partnerships Canada rules being violated to pay lobbyists (Globe and Mail, June 24, 2005)

179. Former Indian and Northern Affairs Minister Robert Nault is working as a paid lobbyist for Nelson House First Nation in what some allege is an apparent violation of a federal code of conduct. Among the federal departments Nault is lobbying is the Indian and Northern Affairs department he headed until December 2003, according to a lobbying report Nault filed with the federal government. Nault registered as a lobbyist for Nelson House, now known as Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation, on July 18, 2005 -- one year and seven months after leaving his cabinet post. Under the Conflict of Interest and Post-Employment Code for Public Office Holders, Nault is barred from working for any entity with which his department had "direct and significant official dealings" for two years after leaving office. He is also barred for two years from lobbying his former department or any of his former cabinet colleagues (Winnipeg Free Press, September 14, 2005)

180. According to documents obtained by the Globe and Mail, Pierre Pettigrew billed Canadian taxpayers for $10,000 for trips for his driver in 2001 and 2002. Pettigrew took his driver to South America and Europe, even though the driver didn’t do any driving on the trips. (Globe and Mail, September 14, 2005)

181. Joe Volpe’s questionable hospitality expenses (Globe and Mail, September 21, 2005)

182. According to media reports, Industry Canada has frozen federal financing for research projects by an Ontario biotechnology firm pending the outcome of an investigation into the company's agreement to pay $350,000 in lobbying “success” fees to former Liberal cabinet minister David Dingwall. Such contingency fee payments violate Technology Partnership Canada rules. (Globe and Mail, September 23, 2005)

183. Expenses of chairman of the Royal Canadian Mint Emmanuel Triassi, who also approved David Dingwall’s expenses (Globe and Mail, October 4, 2005)

184. Last week, Public Works was also silent on details of another case involving forensic accounting. Government accounts published on Thursday showed a department employee had embezzled $3.45 million from Public Works office in Koblenz, Germany. Even though the employee was convicted and jailed in Germany, Public Works will not name him or give any details of the crime (Ottawa Citizen, October 4, 2005)

185. The federal government inadvertently revealed yesterday that it is conducting a large-scale forensic accounting probe into "possibly criminal matters" when it published details of a contract intended for a Quebec accounting firm. The notice awarding a $2-million contract for forensic accounting services was published on the government's tendering website, MERX. It gave notice that Consulting and Audit Canada was planning to award the sole-source contract to Leclerc Juricomptable, a Quebec City firm specializing in forensic work and litigation support. The contract award notice said the work had to be sole-sourced to Leclerc because it is "not in the public interest to jeopardize the current investment in the investigation or to significantly increase the risk to a successful completion of the investigation into possibly criminal matters." A spokesman for the Department of PublicWorks and Government Services said yesterday that the notice was published "prematurely" and would be withdrawn last night. He could not say, however, what is under investigation, but said the contract was not tied to another scandal that has kept Quebec forensic accountants busy over the past years. "It's not related to sponsorship or Gomery, that I can tell you," said spokesman Pierre Teotonio (Ottawa Citizen, October 4, 2005). It was subsequently revealed that the department involved was CIDA (CP Wire, October 4, 2005)

186. Questions about campaign funds from Raymond Chan’s campaign going to his companies (Vancouver Sun, October 7, 2005)

187. Questions about a possible conflict-of-interest between Chan’s activities as minister on behalf of possible business associates (Vancouver Sun, October 7, 2005)

188. Questions about the report that Chan filed with the Ethics Commissioner (Vancouver Sun, October 7, 2005)

189. Government giving out contract that specifies no paper trail to be left in government offices (Vancouver Province, October 11, 2005)

190. Questionable travel expenses at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (CP, October 16, 2005)

191. Two employees at DFO fired for making fraudulent travel claims (CP, The Province, October 18, 2005).

192. Lobbyist registrar Michael Nelson has launched investigations of four people for eight possible breaches of the ethics guidelines for lobbyists, the first such investigations ever launched under the code. (Globe and Mail, October 18, 2005)

193. According to media reports, the federal government has terminated two contracts with a consulting firm that used to be run by Liberal MP David Smith and now run by his wife, following a forensic audit of the contracting practices at a federal agency (Globe and Mail, October 19, 2005)

194. ATI requests by prisoners for information on prison system and guards, when information is actually disclosed

195. Liberal candidate Richard Mahoney lobbying for satellite radio company for a month before registering (Ottawa Citizen, October 19, 2005)

196. Delays and ballooning costs mean a giant software project at National Defence will eclipse its original budget and won't meet its goals until 2011 -- if at all. An internal audit obtained by Canadian Press raises red flags about a new system designed to streamline computer tracking of military inventory and purchases. MASIS -- or Materiel Acquisition Support Information System -- started in 1997 as a $147-million undertaking. What began as a focused effort to cover a single equipment category in each of the navy, army and air force soon mushroomed. By 2003, Defence officials estimated MASIS would be in place by 2006 at a cost of $325 million, more than twice its forecast budget. A full introduction of the complex software has now been extended to 2011. The heavily censored May 2005 internal audit, released under the Access to Information Act, catalogues a litany of "revised planned milestones.'' "The prime contract has been amended six times, each time increasing amounts for professional service fees,'' it says. (CP, The Record, October 24, 2005)

197. Hospitality and travel expenses of executives at CMHC (Journal de Montréal, October 24, 2005)

198. Questions about Squamish land deal lease (The Province, October 26, 2005)

199. Liberals handling of tainted water at Kashechewan First Nation

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[PocketRocket]

199 Questions For Your Liberal Candidate

Well, I carefully read through your post, but did not see any questions, only statements. Where are these 199 questions???

And wasn't Airbus one of Mulrony's boondaggles??? I seem to remember him taking a lot of flak over Airbus issues.

[Minimus Maximus]

199 Questions For Your Liberal Candidate

Well, I carefully read through your post, but did not see any questions, only statements. Where are these 199 questions???

And wasn't Airbus one of Mulrony's boondaggles??? I seem to remember him taking a lot of flak over Airbus issues.

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I found that adding the prefix *What about* and replacing the periods at the end of the statements with question marks resolved this issue for me.

I also assumed that RBCON's referal to Airbus was in referance to Chretien's supposed smear campaign against Mulroney during the investigation by the RCMP. Removing this from the list still leaves 198 questions/statements. You may not agree with everything here, but some exellent points to consider.

[rbacon]

The Liberals have ruled Canada longer than the Communists ruled Russia. The Liberals have been in power over 80 years of the last 110 years. How can any one blame the Conservatives for what has befallen us. The average middleclass taxpayer in Canada now pays more in taxes than they do for food, shelter, clothing and transportation combined. If you cannot figure out your paycheque by yourself I guess you are doomed to slavery.

[rbacon]

True Liberal Canadian Value. And a secret Liberal agenda. Chastise Harper over Alberta's healthcare plans, while Quebec Privatises all Healthcare. The True Liberal Canadian Values are THEFT THEFT THEFT THEFT of Taxdollars.

[PocketRocket]

The Liberals have ruled Canada longer than the Communists ruled Russia.

Have you ever asked yourself WHY the Liberals have continued to get voted into power again and again and again and again and.......??????

Hmmmmm?????

Perhaps if there was a better alternative out there they would not.

I mean let's face it, there HAS to be a conservative who has some charisma, AND some common sense about how to sway a voter's opinion.

Unfortunately, whoever those conservatives may be, they are never voted in as party leaders, so we're stuck with choices like, well, like Harper, a cold fish if ever I've seen one.

Mulrony, one of the few Cons who DID get in had just that, charisma, and a sense of what the public wanted to hear from a leader.

Harper has neither.

Joe Clark had a fair bit of both, but had the misfortune to be pitted against PET, who was a walking charisma machine.

CPC shoulda stuck with Preston Manning.

I voted reform several times before the party, sadly, metamorphosized into something totally other than what it was.

Want votes for Conservative???

The answer is simple, get a credible party leader.

And just to pick on one more point....

9. GST Flip Flop

....if the Libs were "bad" for flip flopping on their promise to remove the GST, then what were the Cons for putting it in place in the first place???

(Translation of #9: If I shit on the floor, it's okay, but if you don't clean it up, you're bad.)

[PocketRocket]

The True Liberal Canadian Values are THEFT THEFT THEFT THEFT of Taxdollars.

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*ahem* who originated gst??? *ahem*

But hey, if you want to sling childish generalizations, the how's this; the Conservatives are all about WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE because nobody wants them back in after Brian screwed up, and then in true Conservative fashion, jumped ship and left the mess squarely in Kim Campbell's lap.

Too bad, too.

HER I would vote for.

[tml12]

The True Liberal Canadian Values are THEFT THEFT THEFT THEFT of Taxdollars.

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*ahem* who originated gst??? *ahem*

But hey, if you want to sling childish generalizations, the how's this; the Conservatives are all about WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE because nobody wants them back in after Brian screwed up, and then in true Conservative fashion, jumped ship and left the mess squarely in Kim Campbell's lap.

Too bad, too.

HER I would vote for.

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Sadly she teaches at Harvard now...

[rbacon]

Let's clarify your values and your stand. You would vote for thieves who have charisma and have stolen from you before, over a plain ordinary man who lacks charisma but who is squeaky clean honest and has never stolen from you. I think it says it all about two things, your intelligence and your ethics.

[shoop]

Hell no. The Liberals won in 1993, in part, due to their promise to abolish the GST. They were lying and knew they could never get rid of it, too much revenue involved.

Their bad was lying about it. The Conservatives did nothing wrong. The GST is a much better tax than the MST it replaced...

9. GST Flip Flop

....if the Libs were "bad" for flip flopping on their promise to remove the GST, then what were the Cons for putting it in place in the first place???

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[PocketRocket]

Let's clarify your values and your stand. You would vote for thieves who have charisma and have stolen from you before,  over a plain ordinary man who lacks charisma but who is squeaky clean honest and has never stolen from you. I think it says it all about two things, your intelligence and your ethics.

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Ah, I see. The well is dry, so now it'll be personal attacks???

Sorry, I'm trying to stay away from that kind of behaviour.

But let's look at the only thing you said in this post that is relevant.

You suggested I'd "vote for thieves".

You have assumed that I would be voting Lib.

You must have missed the point where I said I voted Reform several times.

During those times, Reform was barely more than a fringe party, and had yet made no inroads in Ontario, where I live.

I did so NOT thinking they would necessarily get in, or even that they would win any Ontario seats, but to send a message that "Hey guys, yet another person has voted for someone other than the traditional 3 (Lib, Con, NDP) parties".

I will probably do so again, just have to figure out for whom.

There's not exactly a huge list of viable alternatives out there.

Happy now???

Oh, BTW, when I was pointing out the "charisma" thing, you'll notice, if you reread it, that I never said I voted for them, nor did I suggest they were the best people for the job.

Go have another look.

For the record, since it seems important to you, in the course of 28 years as a voter, I have voted for Libs, Cons, NDP (once, seemed like a good idea at the time) and, as previously stated, Reform.

Each time, I took each leader at face value, and also considered the local MP who would be representing my area directly.

Hopefully this clarifies things to your satisfaction.

And, you'll notice, without any personal attacks about your "ethics" or "intelligence".

[Shakeyhands]

So if the CPC win this election I will see my taxes drop by thousands and thousands of dollars and the GST will be repealed?

[Army Guy]

I think part of the problem is people are voting for parties because they traditionally done so, regardless of party policiesor agendas. or because there is simply no one else to vote for.

Maybe we should look at adjusting the regulations that govern the creation of parties.

[Biblio Bibuli]

I voted Reform several times.

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Same here! Same several times!

WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

[Biblio Bibuli]

So if the CPC win this election I will see my taxes drop by thousands and thousands of dollars and the GST will be repealed?

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The aim of the CPCs is to keep up with the Jonses, so yes, we SHOULD see more money in our pockets with each passing year.

And, unless the Americans unexpectadly warm up to that ugly tax that is SO clearly favoring the rich called the "GST", I can already see Stephen Harper, NOT only lowering it, but, over time, scrapping it all together.

Give CPCers 7 years in power and their, AND OUR, favored chant will be ... "another tax bites the dust, another tax bites the dust".

Just you wait and see.

[Canuck E Stan]

Pocket,

I mean let's face it, there HAS to be a conservative who has some charisma,

You must have missed the point where I said I voted Reform several times.

During those times, Reform was barely more than a fringe party, and had yet made no inroads in Ontario, where I live.

I did so NOT thinking they would necessarily get in, or even that they would win any Ontario seats, but to send a message that "Hey guys, yet another person has voted for someone other than the traditional 3 (Lib, Con, NDP) parties".

I will probably do so again, just have to figure out for whom.

There's not exactly a huge list of viable alternatives out there.

So Pocket,you voted Reform(a couple of times to boot) to send a message to the Big Three Parties that you voted for someone other than the traditional parties.

Wow,sounds like you voted for all the right reasons.

Now the very important reason you won't vote for the Conservatives is because Harper doesn't have any charisma.

I'm starting to see why some are saying voters in Ontario are stupid.

[Biblio Bibuli]

Pocket,

Now the very important reason you won't vote for the Conservatives is because Harper doesn't have any charisma.

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Pocket said, just a post or so ago, that Joe Clark has lots of charisma, and with Christmas aproaching I think I know why he's thinking that.

You see, Joe's "HO HO HOs" always sounded like what many of us imagine Santa Claus to sound like ... and Santa DOES have a lot of charisma.

So many of us are bound to make that mistake while in the Christmas spirit.

It's still too early but some children just can't wait, I guess.

[PocketRocket]

Pocket,

CANUCK

So Pocket,you voted Reform(a couple of times to boot)  to send a message to  the Big Three Parties that you voted for someone other than the traditional parties.

Well, between you and I, I don't think they were saying "Oh no, PR has voted for an alternative party, Let's rethink our strategies", which seems to be the way you're trying to make my post sound.

Sorry.

But with more and more people voting Reform each election, eventually the message started getting through that there was a new kid on the block, and he could be a contender.

In the end, Reform became a contender.

Then they morphed into first the CRAP, then, with a bit of clarity of thought, into the CPC.

Wow,sounds  like you voted for all the right reasons.

A wise man (whose name I cannot recall) once said that you should always vote. He went on to elaborate that there may not be anyone you want to vote for, but you can always find someone to vote against.

Now the very important reason you won't vote for the Conservatives is because Harper doesn't have any charisma.

Please point to where I said that.

If you re-read the post carefully, you will see that I was addressing the question of why the Libs seem to get voted in repeatedly.

Never ANYWHERE mentioned that the charisma issue had any effect on my own voting habits.

I was simply pointing out (in a way which I thought everyone could understand) that a large portion of the electorate will vote for style over substance.

Packaging over product.

It's extremely unlikely that I will vote for Harper, but hardly because of the charisma thing.

I simply find him to be an annoyingly shrill little man who has little or no idea how to play on the political stage.

In his case, the CPC has neither the packaging, nor the product.

IMHO.

Other people have other opinions. They are welcome to them.

We have heard, and will continue to hear, such opinions here.

I'm starting to see why some are saying voters in Ontario are stupid.

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An infered slur???

Now CANUCK, after reading many of your posts, I thought these sort of attacks were beneath you.

Especially when you base the attack on something I never said.

Shame on you, young man.

You go straight to bed without dinner.

[PocketRocket]

Pocket,

Now the very important reason you won't vote for the Conservatives is because Harper doesn't have any charisma.

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Pocket said, just a post or so ago, that Joe Clark has lots of charisma, and with Christmas aproaching I think I know why he's thinking that.

You see, Joe's "HO HO HOs" always sounded like what many of us imagine Santa Claus to sound like ... and Santa DOES have a lot of charisma.

So many of us are bound to make that mistake while in the Christmas spirit.

It's still too early but some children just can't wait, I guess.

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Now BB, whatever happened to.......

I voted Reform several times.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Same here! Same several times!

WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

With friends like this, who needs enemas?????

[Biblio Bibuli]

With friends like this, who needs enemas????? 

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I'm sorry, it was presumptious of me to think that, just because we voted alike, you would also share my Yuletime feelings for Joe Clark.

To make it up to you, I've decided to give you all the rights to my recent discovery of how to turn a bottle of Gatorade into a toy.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.p...422entry77422

The easiest way to make a quick buck would be to call the Gatorade people and point out this dual use & advise them how, if they advertised this dual use, their sales would increase.

But please don't mention your idea, the neck of that bottle is a bit too wide for that.

YOU'RE WELCOME!

[PocketRocket]

BB: Thank you very much.

Unfortunately, not being a Gatorade drinker, now I'll have to go out scavenging other people's recycle bins for this simple source of amusement.

I hope you're happy.

You've turned me into a garbage scavenger. :angry:

Hey, maybe once I gain a little expertise in trash-digging, I can get a job with a major tabloid paper.

Hilarious post. Thanks.

[Canuck E Stan]

BB: Thank you very much. 

Unfortunately, not being a Gatorade drinker, now I'll have to go out scavenging other people's recycle bins for this simple source of amusement. 

I hope you're happy. 

You've turned me into a garbage scavenger.  :angry:

Hey, maybe once I gain a little expertise in trash-digging, I can get a job with a major tabloid paper. 

Pocket,...you...a freegan? Where do go, back of the Prospect?

Freegans

[Canuck E Stan]

freegans

Sorry, site bad connection.