How Canada Could Go About Herd Immunity

[Guest ProudConservative]

Ok, first off... A little legal Disclaimer here... I'm not a Dr. I don't know everything on epidemiology. So for the sake of discussion, this is just my opinion.

I believe that the white elephent in the room... Is the "Viral Load" theory.

If you were to take people of the same age, in the same health, and one person gets 100 million virions, and another gets a 100 billion virions? Who's more likely to die?

If infectivity were black and white, it wouldn't matter how many virons you breath in.... It would matter if you were standing 1 foot a way from a person coughing or 10 feet... You're risk of getting seriously sick, would all be the same.

Well the good news, is that sciences say otherwise Some research papers say that, the person who breaths in more virions, is more likely to seriulsy get ill.

this could explain why healthy Dr's have been dying of covid, whereas you would find a bunch of protesters asymptomatic?

So why can't we do controlled infections, to bring on herd immunity?

If you told me to stand 10 feet away from someone who had covid... and that person was to breath normally... maybe I could get just enough Covid to build up some immunity, while not putting myself at risk for serious lung damage.

Maybe that's what this 6 feet social distancing is all about... They want us to gradually become infected, so we build up immunity.

Well if this is the cure to covid, why on earth do we have to wait for a vaccine?

There is actual science to backup this theory.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/getting-healthy-now/202004/coronavirus-the-importance-viral-load

Edited May 29, 2020 by ProudConservative

[dialamah]

How long do you think it would take to infect 26,000,000 people slowly enough that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed by serious and critical cases?  I think that will take longer than "waiting for a vaccine".  

[Guest ProudConservative]

34 minutes ago, dialamah said:

How long do you think it would take to infect 26,000,000 people slowly enough that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed by serious and critical cases?  I think that will take longer than "waiting for a vaccine".  

Well it could be that scaring seniors half to death, so they shelter in their homes 24/7 is putting them more at risk in the long run. If we had them out and about every day, and wearing a mask to block higher concentrations of covid, they would gradually be building up immunity to tail-end exposure.

Now that it's summer, it could be smarter to get more people out, and exposed in a sensible way though social distancing... to build up some herd immunity before the winter returns.

The problem with a vaccine, is it injects you with a one time... super concentrated dose, whereas casual exposure could be a lot safer... because your body gets smaller doses over a long period of time, to build up immunity.

Also why are so many seniors from nursing homes dying from covid... I bet they never take them outside to get sunlight, so they have almost no vitamin D in their body.

Now with hyper sanitation... You never get the chance to build up immunity. You might dodge covid 19, hundreds of times... but if you randomly walk by someone directly coughing into your face, it could kill you.

Edited May 29, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Shady]

30 minutes ago, dialamah said:

How long do you think it would take to infect 26,000,000 people slowly enough that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed by serious and critical cases?  I think that will take longer than "waiting for a vaccine".  

I believe that herd immunity begins at around 30%.  So there’s no need to infect 26,000,000 people.  Besides, if it’s low risk healthy people, hospitalization rates would be extremely low, so overwhelmed hospitals wouldn’t be an issue.  However, you are correct that vaccines may be ready as early as September or October, so there wouldn’t be a point of pursuing herd immunity.

[Guest ProudConservative]

I wont be taking a vaccine... So i'm consider walking around outside without a mask, hoping someone infects me from a distance. At this point, i'm more scared of what the globalist with put in the vaccine, than getting the tail-end exposure from people, so I can build up some immunity.

Why do you think it will take 18 months for the Vaccine to come out? Because they can't allow a newly discoverer vaccine, to come before the chosen vaccine. It's a Plandemic, because when all is said and done, and millions of lives are lost, and trillions of dollars in economic damage... Those who refuse vaccines, will be labeled as enemies of mankind.

If you want to see censorship, at it's finest here you go. Bigtech is not apart of this plandemic. If you make a video called "Don't Take the Covid Vaccine". It won't show up on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=don't+take+covid+vaccine

And nothing related pops up, if you search "Don't Take the Coronavirus Vaccine"

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=don't+take+coronavirus+vaccine

And nothing related pops up, if you search "Don't Take Vaccines"

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=don't+take+vaccines

 

Edited May 30, 2020 by ProudConservative

[dialamah]

17 minutes ago, Shady said:

I believe that herd immunity begins at around 30%

What you believe is wrong. Herd immunity requires a significant percentage of people be immune; the exact percentage depends on how contagious the virus is.

21 minutes ago, Shady said:

Besides, if it’s low risk healthy people, hospitalization rates would be extremely low, so overwhelmed hospitals wouldn’t be an issue

About 10% of infected people require hospitalization.  So yeah, it would be an issue.

And what about the high risk people these barely sick people would inevitably infect?  Or is the plan that we physically separate people based on age.

Even if the plan worked, the end result would be "herd immunity" for young people (under 60?  Under 50?  Whats the cut-off?) and no immunity for those older - so contact between the age groups would have to remain curtailed.  I don't know what age category you'd fall into, but it's either your parents/grandparents or your kids/grandkids you'd have to avoid for the indefinite future.

31 minutes ago, Shady said:

However, you are correct that vaccines may be ready as early as September or October, so there wouldn’t be a point of pursuing herd immunity.

I hope so.  There's all kinds of stuff being claimed; just read a sciency article making the claim that certain strains of cannabis can prevent the virus from entering cells.   "More study is needed" of course, but by tomorrow I expect all kinds of anecdotes about how someone was saved by smoking pot or how only the non-pot smokers got sick.  

[dialamah]

32 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

I wont be taking a vaccine... So i'm consider walking around outside without a mask, hoping someone infects me from a distance. At this point, i'm more scared of what the globalist with put in the vaccine, than getting the tail-end exposure from people, so I can build up some immunity.

Good luck with that; seek out crowds. 

Remember to wear a mask around vulnerable people, even if you feel fine, cause you could kill someone before you even know you're sick.  

[Guest ProudConservative]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

About 10% of infected people require hospitalization.  So yeah, it would be an issue.

Please define infected, because if you have 1 covid viron in your body, than technically you're infected. Also if you have 1 covid antibody, than technically you have some immunity.

The viral tests, can't pickup low viral loads in the bloodstreem. I believe you need billions of them, before they even show up in a test.

Edited May 30, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Good luck with that; seek out crowds. 

Remember to wear a mask around vulnerable people, even if you feel fine, cause you could kill someone before you even know you're sick.  

It wouldn't matter if I didn't wear a mask... as long as I don't go in public for 2 weeks before I go out... When I get infected, I'm not going to spread it to someone else within hours of my first infection, but I will get some antibodies a week later.

Anyways, why hasn't every Canadian been given the Antibody kit yet? Plandemic prehaps?

Edited May 30, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

We got to get back to work.

 

[OftenWrong]

13 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

So why can't we do controlled infections, to bring on herd immunity?

Yes I agree. Injecting people with Covid-19 is the answer.

[Rue]

On 5/29/2020 at 8:00 PM, dialamah said:

What you believe is wrong. Herd immunity requires a significant percentage of people be immune; the exact percentage depends on how contagious the virus is.

About 10% of infected people require hospitalization.  So yeah, it would be an issue.

And what about the high risk people these barely sick people would inevitably infect?  Or is the plan that we physically separate people based on age.

Even if the plan worked, the end result would be "herd immunity" for young people (under 60?  Under 50?  Whats the cut-off?) and no immunity for those older - so contact between the age groups would have to remain curtailed.  I don't know what age category you'd fall into, but it's either your parents/grandparents or your kids/grandkids you'd have to avoid for the indefinite future.

I hope so.  There's all kinds of stuff being claimed; just read a sciency article making the claim that certain strains of cannabis can prevent the virus from entering cells.   "More study is needed" of course, but by tomorrow I expect all kinds of anecdotes about how someone was saved by smoking pot or how only the non-pot smokers got sick.  

You and Shady are both right. The actual percentage does not have to be higher than what Shadh said but what you said is also true. Som ed viruses mutate like Sars and become very difficult to catch but become more deadly. For some reason this particular covid strain seems to be completely unpredictable. You can have as we know people with immunity issues, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, arthritis, cancer, age all fatally killed by it but sometimes health people too. They are still trying to figure out why it makes blood clot.