marcus Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: What does that have to do with Maxime Bernier or the PPC? It's a response to: "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, marcus said: It's a response to: So it has nothing to do with PPC. Extreme elements are not even a large portion of PPC voters, the media just tries to smear the PPC by finding the obvious outliers and pretending they are the base of the party and pretending real conservatives are just "White Supremacist Nazi's". You are falling for obvious propaganda and projecting the views of vocal minorities on the PPC. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: So it has nothing to do with PPC. Extreme elements are not even a large portion of PPC voters, the media just tries to smear the PPC by finding the obvious outliers and pretending they are the base of the party and pretending real conservatives are just "White Supremacist Nazi's". You are falling for obvious propaganda and projecting the views of vocal minorities on the PPC. What is even extreme about the PPC? It's only "extreme" because it doesn't fall in line with the far left dogma propagated by the commie Canadian state propaganda arms.
marcus Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Posted October 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: So it has nothing to do with PPC. Extreme elements are not even a large portion of PPC voters, the media just tries to smear the PPC by finding the obvious outliers and pretending they are the base of the party and pretending real conservatives are just "White Supremacist Nazi's". You are falling for obvious propaganda and projecting the views of vocal minorities on the PPC. How do you know what the percentage of 'extreme elements' are? Two of the most vocal supporters of PPC on this forum are racist and bigoted: Argus and taxme. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: What is even extreme about the PPC? It's only "extreme" because it doesn't fall in line with the far left dogma propagated by the commie Canadian state propaganda arms. It's not within Canada's extremely narrow overton window, and the far left and the media pushing their nonsense think that is extreme. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: It's not within Canada's extremely narrow overton window, and the far left and the media pushing their nonsense think that is extreme. Soviet Canada and its Iron Curtain desperately trying to stave off the tide of American freedom spreading over the border. Speech banning, gun grabbing, totalitarian thought police, who knew?
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Soviet Canada and its Iron Curtain desperately trying to stave off the tide of American freedom spreading over the border. Speech banning, gun grabbing, totalitarian thought police, who knew? We Knew. We Knew. *sings*
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: We Knew. We Knew. *sings* You knew maybe, took me awhile to come around, I used to be Master Corporal Canada ready to die for these commies. But when I got out of the military, I looked around and realized that this wasn't what I signed up for. Never thought I would need to invoke my American citizenship in the face of a totalitarian Canada.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: You knew maybe, took me awhile to come around, I used to be Master Corporal Canada ready to die for these commies. But when I got out of the military, I looked around and realized that this wasn't what I signed up for. Never thought I would need to invoke my American citizenship in the face of a totalitarian Canada. You came around eventually. Yzermandias got your six, Dougie. My dad warned me that these commies weren't worth dying for, he just didn't call them commies, so I had to figure that out for myself, but enough of the groundwork had been layed to make that transition fairly seamless. Once I heard the pitch that "One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results", and I started to dig deeper into which policies and programs produced the best results for the causes the left champions, that's what turned me from the from my early-mid teenage left to the late teenage right real quick. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: You came around eventually. Yzermandias got your six, Dougie. My dad warned me that these commies weren't worth dying for, he just didn't call them commies, so I had to figure that out for myself, but enough of the groundwork had been layed to make that transition fairly seamless. Once I realized that "One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results", and then I started looking into which policies and programs produced the best results, and that's turned me from the left to the right real quick. My old man was a Canadian Nationalist, being raised in America during Vietnam shaped his views, he recoiled from the excesses of LBJ. This ain't the Canada he came back to tho. He would be broken hearted to see what Canada has become.
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 Canadian totalitarianism is like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. On the surface it presents itself as Sunny Ways, but it's just decadent anesthetic to make the rubes swallow the poison pill.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: My old man was a Canadian Nationalist, being raised in America during Vietnam shaped his views, he recoiled from the excesses of LBJ. This ain't the Canada he came back to tho. He would be broken hearted to see what Canada has become. Vietnam helped shaped my dad's views as well, but he didn't just blame America, he blamed authoritarian government in general, and it sowed a deep distrust of the military into him, even the Canadian military. I picked that up from him and that ingrained a left libertarian view in me. But eventually, The House of Cards came crashing down, my libertarian streak helped me realize the left was getting high as giraffe pussy on good intentions, and the right was actually better at delivering the free society I so desired, despite the left wing propaganda that they were the only one's who cared about that, when it simply was not true. I also came to realize the military wasn't all that bad, it was the politicians who were the issue, so I dropped the military hater thing, and stopped displacing my anger on those who didn't deserve it and directed it at those who did. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Vietnam helped shaped my dad's views as well, but he didn't just blame America In the end it was a just cause, poorly executed by the Democrats. They got baited into chasing the NLF into the jungle and trying to fight the NVA in the highlands. If they had just listened to the South Vietnamese and stuck to defending the coastal cities, they could have waited Hanoi out without suffering the attrition of Search & Destroy.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Canadian totalitarianism is like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. On the surface it presents itself as Sunny Ways, but it's just decadent anesthetic to make the rubes swallow the poison pill. In many ways, Huxley was actually closer to the mark than Orwell. I should probably get around to re-reading both of Brave New World and 1984 at some point, it's been awhile. My dad was always a big Orwell fan, he'd bring it up quite often well before I ever read the 1984 or Animal Farm. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: In many ways, Huxley was actually closer to the mark than Orwell. Orwell was right about the mechanism, wrong about Big Brother. It's not top down like Big Brother, people enslave themselves for a bag of socialist magic beans and virtue signalling Tickets to Heaven. Martin Luther knew.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Orwell was right about the mechanism, wrong about Big Brother. It's not top down like Big Brother, people enslave themselves for a bag of socialist magic beans and virtue signalling Tickets to Heaven. Martin Luther knew. That's the part that Huxley nailed to a tee. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: That's the part that Huxley nailed to a tee. Yeah, Telescreen is not force, it's anesthetic. Telescreen doesn't shout at you, barking orders, it beckons you with candy and clickbait.
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) You can see the dividing line, those of us who remember the world before Telescreen, and the kids who were born with Telescreen and can't even conceive of a world without it. There's no need to impose Telescreen on them, they can't live without it, they have to carry it around in these smart phones, staring into the abyss at all times like junkies. Talk about bizarre; they are actually growing little horns out the back of their skulls, because they are constantly hunched over staring at the screen. Edited October 24, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: There's no need to impose Telescreen on them, they can't live without it, they have to carry it around in these smart phones, staring into the abyss at all times like junkies. Talk about bizarre; they are actually growing little horns out the back of their skulls, because they are constantly hunched over staring at the screen. Soma is The Telescreen. The Telescreen is Soma. A Huxley-Orwellian Dystopic Fusion. Edited October 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Soma is The Telescreen. The Telescreen is Soma. A Huxley-Orwellian Dystopic Fusion. See how they only care about what candy they get from Telescreen? What candy is the national helicopter mommy going to give them, do they get a discount on Telescreen? Do they get their academic accreditation scam for free from mommy? Is mommy going to buy a house for them? Is mommy going to pay their debts of for them? There's no economic crisis of the middle class, that's a total fabrication, the crisis is that the middle class just expects Telescreen to provide them with unlimited candy. Bankrupt the nation? Not an issue. Rule of law? Not an issue. Due process? Not an issue. Autonomy from the state? That's actually frightening to them Equality before the law? They think that is injustice. National security? That's America's problem. Foreign trade and diplomacy? They are isolationist against it. Brave New World babies can't conceive of a free country, they don't even know what that looks like, it's not Big Brother, it's Big Mother.
scribblet Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, marcus said: You're reaching really hard. The PPC was a non-factor. For the most part, but the CPC lost 6 seats because of the PPC - Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Argus Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 3 hours ago, marcus said: If you think racism and bigotry is correct, then I guess there is nothing wrong with your racism and bigotry from your perspective. So you can't even challenge the factual basis of my statement. You can't point out exactly who it's racist to. But you're still gonna throw in that old "R-word" because that's all you got. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Posted October 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, Argus said: So you can't even challenge the factual basis of my statement. You can't point out exactly who it's racist to. But you're still gonna throw in that old "R-word" because that's all you got. There is no factual basis in calling a group of people goat herders, you bigot. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Dougie93 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, marcus said: There is no factual basis in calling a group of people goat herders, you bigot. Bigot means a person who is intolerant of other people's opinions, so technically, you're the bigot.
Argus Posted October 25, 2019 Report Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, marcus said: There is no factual basis in calling a group of people goat herders, you bigot. What if they're goat herders? You let in a bunch of rural third world types with no education or modern job skills and you set them up for a lifetime of poverty and welfare. And then you think you're being kind... Edited October 25, 2019 by Argus 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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