Argus Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 You might or might not have heard of the various nobodies proudly declaring they're running for president down south. It unfortunately looks like the Democratic party is in something of the same sort of flux the Republican party was in a few years ago, when about a dozen people declared they were running to lead the party. It's two years from the next election and there are already five declared candidates for the Democrats, none of them people of any substance, most of them (all the women) from the far fringes of the Left. Names like Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris and John Delaney do not exactly resonate as experienced, veteran politicians. The reason this is a bad thing is because with a whole host of candidates the crazy ones can slip through without the proper degree of attention being focused on them. Witness Donald Trump. There is an ongoing theme that a woman deserves to be the candidate because Hillary Clinton was supposed to be the first female president, and #metoo. That, of course, is bloody idiocy. Clinton was an experienced veteran, and in spite of her attachment to identity politics, could have made a decent president. No one else is in her league. Also, the best candidate to defeat Trump is clearly a moderate centrist, not a fringe leftist. The Democrats are on the path to choosing the latter and handing Trump another term in office. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46947839 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Please cite some Dems that aren't "nobodies". Derision from "any" Democrat candidate will come. I'm sure Obama faced similar derision. The 2016 race suffered from a lack of candidates. Good or otherwise. We talking Biden, Sanders, O'Rourke? Only white men need apply? How about Corey Booker? Fringe Leftist is certainly subjective. I'm sure Obama is seen as a Fringe Leftist and he would have served Trump his lunch if he could have run again. Edited January 21, 2019 by Boges
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Please cite some Dems that aren't "nobodies". Derision from "any" Democrat candidate will come. I'm sure Obama faced similar derision. The 2016 race suffered from a lack of candidates. Good or otherwise. We talking Biden, Sanders, O'Rourke? Only white men need apply? How about Corey Booker? Why don't you have a go? There are so many household names... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Why don't you have a go? There are so many household names... Are there any you wouldn't scoff at?
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Are there any you wouldn't scoff at? So nobody? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: So nobody? You didn't answer the question. So I'll get out ahead of all this and accept your surrender. Edited January 21, 2019 by Boges
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Argus said: The reason this is a bad thing is because with a whole host of candidates the crazy ones can slip through without the proper degree of attention being focused on them. Witness Donald Trump. Actually, Donald Trump received an abundance of attention by design, part of his strategy to dominate media and take all the oxygen away from the other candidates. Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: You didn't answer the question. So I'll get out ahead of all this and accept your surrender. I was asking YOU for names. That's not how it works, General Grant. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Just now, DogOnPorch said: I was asking YOU for names. That's not how it works, General Grant. My post previous to your cited four names. Which fit the criteria set by Argus. Edited January 21, 2019 by Boges
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Oh...you were serious when you listed them...okay. I support any of those heh...leaders...trying. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Oh...you were serious when you listed them...okay. I support any of those heh...leaders...trying. Oh God yes...please let them try...especially the most extreme socialists....they deserve the nomination ! 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Oh God yes...please let them try...especially the most extreme socialists....they deserve the nomination ! I was hoping for somebody fun like Ashley Judd or Linda Sarsour. Where's the Dem's Trump? Who will fire-up the proletariat? Bernie Sanders?? He had better hope for more birds landing on podiums... Edited January 21, 2019 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Again, I repeat, are there any Dems you wouldn't scoff at? Seth Moulton perhaps? Edited January 21, 2019 by Boges
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Who? (and that's what the voters will ask) Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Who? (and that's what the voters will ask) Exactly...there are only 16 Democrat governors, as an example of how dominant the GOP has been at the state level since Obama's first term. 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Who? (and that's what the voters will ask) "Who?" could have been said about Barack Obama. Obama would have comfortably beaten Trump should he been able to run for a third term. A "Far Left" Bi-Racial man with a Muslim sounding name. So forgive me in disagreeing that a woman like Kamala Harris would be a non-starter. IN FACT there's not a more mushy middle candidate I can think of than Hilary and she lost. And it's not even that Trump really beat her, it's that she didn't garner any excitement and people stayed home. Also, it's not like Trump's interested in expanding his base or anything.
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Boges said: "Who?" could have been said about Barack Obama. Obama would have comfortably beaten Trump should he been able to run for a third term. A "Far Left" Bi-Racial man with a Muslim sounding name. So forgive me in disagreeing that a woman like Kamala Harris would be a non-starter. IN FACT there's not a more mushy middle candidate I can think of than Hilary and she lost. And it's not even that Trump really beat her, it's that she didn't garner any excitement and people stayed home. Also, it's not like Trump's interested in expanding his base or anything. Yes...go for this nobody. Do it. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes...go for this nobody. Do it. I'll repeat, are there any that aren't nobodies in your mind?
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Boges said: I'll repeat, are there any that aren't nobodies in your mind? Show me one that isn't and I'll let you know. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Show me one that isn't and I'll let you know. I'll accept your surrender.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: I'll repeat, are there any that aren't nobodies in your mind? There are plenty....all easily beaten by Trump....Biden, Clinton, Michelle Obama, McAuliffe, Winfrey, etc. Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: There are plenty....all easily beaten by Trump....Biden, Clinton, Michelle Obama, McAuliffe, Winfrey, etc. In your mind.
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Boges said: I'll accept your surrender. I haven't surrendered, though. Still waiting for a real choice. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: In your mind. In my mind ? Dude, I actually get to vote on such matters...do you ? Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: In my mind ? Dude, I actually get to vote on such matters...do you ? Like Oprah...a real chance at taking-on Trump...but she enjoys being beloved by all...not just half the population. Not likely to run, now. Edited January 21, 2019 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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