Cindy Sheehan

[BHS]

Cindy Sheehan's ditch campout has attracted a lot of media attention, but no one in this forum seems to have noticed. Oh well. I discovered tonight that a fellow named Larry Northern drove his truck through a roadside memorial Cindy and her supporters had set up:

Larry Northern story

And here's the blog entry that lead me to the story:

Hog On Ice

Just stirring the pot.

[kimmy]

If her intention was to provoke public discussion, I'd say she's succeeded.

If her intention was to built a memorial to her son and all the others, I have to think there must have been a better place than a ditch.

She is demanding a meeting with the President about the death of her son Casey, a 1st Cavalry Division soldier who was killed last year in Iraq.

I'm sure she'll get a meeting... from what I've seen, Pres. Bush likes to have a soldier's grieving mother or widow on hand at speaking events. They make great props.

-k

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear kimmy,

I'm sure she'll get a meeting... from what I've seen, Pres. Bush likes to have a soldier's grieving mother or widow on hand at speaking events. They make great props

I highly doubt it. You'll see Micheal Moore down there before you'll see Bush. Only Pro-USA photo-ops, please.

[BHS]

President Bush has already met with her, last year. She's demanding another meeting to she can have him "answer" her questions, which of course he's already answered many times. Unfortunately, for people like Sheehan and her supporters (the anti-war left) an answer isn't an answer until they hear what they want to hear. There's a lot of that going around these days.

[crazymf]

It's sad that anyone has to get killed in the military. Why, when they signed up, all they wanted was a free college education and a guaranteed job until they're experienced enough to ditch and go private. How dare the military go to war and get people killed.

That mentality just makes me shake my head. Are you listening Moorites?

THE DUDE SIGNED UP VOLUNTARILY! FOR MILITARY DUTY! IT'S PART OF THE JOB!

Sad to be sure, but true.

[Black Dog]

It's sad that anyone has to get killed in the military. Why, when they signed up, all they wanted was a free college education and a guaranteed job until they're experienced enough to ditch and go private. How dare the military go to war and get people killed.

I don't think anyone would dispute that notion, least of all those with loved ones in th emilitary. the question is, however, whther they died for a good reason. Did Casey Sheehan's death make his country safer? Did he help stop the threat of WMD (oops!) ? And don't give me any bunk about turning Iraq into a beacon for democracy in teh region balah blah blah. The government isn't even buying that.

The Bush administration is significantly lowering expectations of what can be achieved in Iraq, recognizing that the United States will have to settle for far less progress than originally envisioned during the transition due to end in four months, according to U.S. officials in Washington and Baghdad.

The United States no longer expects to see a model new democracy, a self-supporting oil industry or a society in which the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges, U.S. officials say.

"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."

[BHS]

Did Casey Sheehan's death make his country safer? Did he help stop the threat of WMD (oops!) ?

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These questions were definitively answered in November 2004..

[Black Dog]

These questions were definitively answered in November 2004.

[BHS]

Black Dog:

What a piece of crap that article was. You'd think a major media outlet like the WaPo would have learned by now not to trust anonymous sources. All of the quotes that back up the writers' conclusions are from unnamed and unverifiable sources, other than White (who presumably is paid to play down any progress).

[BHS]

These questions were definitively answered in November 2004.

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Go ahead and post your stupid smilies. We both know that you've got nothing more to reply with.

[Black Dog]

What a piece of crap that article was. You'd think a major media outlet like the WaPo would have learned by now not to trust anonymous sources. All of the quotes that back up the writers' conclusions are from unnamed and unverifiable sources, other than White (who presumably is paid to play down any progress).

Oh right, I forgot your mantra "Don't worry, be happy."

Go ahead and post your stupid smilies. We both know that you've got nothing more to reply with.

Aw diddums: did the widdle smiley hurt your feewings?'

I think the rolly-eyes was actually more of areply than your vacuous response deserved.

Dubya's sinking feeling.

[BHS]

Aw diddums: did the widdle smiley hurt your feewings?'

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Posting a smiley with no other text is trolling and you know it. Troll.

[Black Dog]

Posting a smiley with no other text is trolling and you know it. Troll.

Nonsense. Your contention that Bush's election win vindicated the reasons for the Iraq war is utterly fatuous and I gave it the response it deserved. If you are prepared to expand on it, do so, but don't cry when your empty conclusions are treated with contempt.

You'd think a major media outlet like the WaPo would have learned by now not to trust anonymous sources. All of the quotes that back up the writers' conclusions are from unnamed and unverifiable sources... 

We didn't calculate the depths of feeling in both the Kurdish and Shiite communities for a winner-take-all attitude," said Judith S. Yaphe, a former CIA Iraq analyst at the National Defense University.

In the race to meet a sequence of fall deadlines, the process of forging national unity behind the constitution is largely being scrapped, current and former officials involved in the transition said.

"We are definitely cutting corners and lowering our ambitions in democracy building," said Larry Diamond, a Stanford University democracy expert who worked with the U.S. occupation government and wrote the book "Squandered Victory: The American Occupation and the Bungled Effort to Bring Democracy to Iraq."

"Under pressure to get a constitution done, they've lowered their own ambitions in terms of getting a document that is going to be very far-reaching and democratic. We also don't have the time to go through the process we envisioned when we wrote the interim constitution -- to build a democratic culture and consensus through debate over a permanent constitution," he said.

other than White (who presumably is paid to play down any progress).

That's a serious allegation. Can you back it up?

[Greg]

BHS, Blackdog - both of you better cool down. Take a deep breath and quit treating each other with disrespect.

Also, I am the only one who has the right to label someone a troll. So get back to the topic of the thread and avoid disrupting everyone's discussions with your petty infighting.

[mirror]

Vigils to support Sheehan protest

More than 1,000 anti-war vigils have been held around the United States in support of a bereaved mother protesting outside President Bush's Texas ranch.

It appears that Cindy Sheehan is getting huge support for her vigil across the nation. This could not come at a worse time for President Bush, who is at an all-time low in the polls, and facing the possibility of indictments for some of his staff from the grand jury investing the outing of Valerie Plame.

[mirror]

Can Cindy Sheehan end the war?

You can tell in five minutes channel surfing how Cindy Sheehan frightens the pro-war crowd. One bereaved mom from Vacaville, Calif., camped outside Bush's home in Crawford, reproaching the vacationing president for sending her son to a pointless death in Iraq has got the hellhounds of the Right barking in venomous unison.

Good on her and shame on both mainstream parties in the US.

[Montgomery Burns]

It's sad that anyone has to get killed in the military. Why, when they signed up, all they wanted was a free college education and a guaranteed job until they're experienced enough to ditch and go private. How dare the military go to war and get people killed.

I don't think anyone would dispute that notion, least of all those with loved ones in th emilitary. the question is, however, whther they died for a good reason. Did Casey Sheehan's death make his country safer? Did he help stop the threat of WMD (oops!) ? And don't give me any bunk about turning Iraq into a beacon for democracy in teh region balah blah blah. The government isn't even buying that.

The Bush administration is significantly lowering expectations of what can be achieved in Iraq, recognizing that the United States will have to settle for far less progress than originally envisioned during the transition due to end in four months, according to U.S. officials in Washington and Baghdad.

The United States no longer expects to see a model new democracy, a self-supporting oil industry or a society in which the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges, U.S. officials say.

"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."

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Why do you persist in linking to liberal newspapers that refuse to give any names of these "US officials"?

There is not one name from the Bush administration in that article.

[Montgomery Burns]

Cindy Sheehan is exploiting her son's death. She is despicable. She is linked up with anti-semites and the loathsome Code Pink(os) group - which raised $600,000 for the Islamofascists in Fallujah just before the US went in and whipped their asses.

Then Code Pink(os) were caught on videotape by CNS News at Walter Reed Hospital with mock caskets and protesting with obnoxious signs like "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton."

The liberal media had refused to report this.

She said that the Islamofascists who were coming in from other countries to subvert Iraq's attempt at building a democracy are "freedom fighters".

Her anti-Israel remarks have put neo-nazi groups (Stormfront and Vanguard) on her side, as both have went down to Crawford to throw their support behind her.

Her group has taken crosses of soldiers to use for their political agenda. Many families of fallen soldiers have had to pull the crosses out of the ground and take them back. She is not content ot exploit her son; she is exploiting other people's sons and daughters.

Hence Fort Qualls being set up at Crawford

And the liberal media is silent.

There are not that many people at Camp Casey and the media has said little about the thousands of counter-protesters at Crawford.

Cindy Sheehan is a phony as these two pictures prove.

[Black Dog]

Cindy Sheehan is a phony as these two pictures prove.

Hey is there a mural of her in Baghdad?

[Montgomery Burns]

Cindy Sheehan is a phony as these two pictures prove.

Hey is there a mural of her in Baghdad?

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There never were any links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Indeed, there never was even a link.

Honest.