US Alaska oil drilling plan "big mistake" - Canada

[I Miss Trudeau]

Actually, as long as you do not strike someone with it, you can do what ever you want with it including sticking it in private places.

Point. Made. Mine.

[I Miss Trudeau]

I could care less what you do with it.

Excellent. Should make living in Alberta much less stressfull for me in the future.

Perhaps like your mentor who you seem to miss, i suspect a one finger salute would be the best you could muster.

[caesar]

QUOTE (B. Max @ Mar 15 2005, 01:34 AM)

They don't share that area at all. The US owns it outright. Canada has no business telling the americans jack shit what to do with it. Most especially with a silly excuse like this. 

It is part of the same calving ground for the caribou that is shared by the USA and Canada. Nature recognizes no borders nor do the Gwich'in Indians that depend on this herd.

Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in northeast Alaska would ruin the calving ground of the Porcupine caribou herd, on which native Gwich'in Indians in Alaska and Canada have depended on for thousands of years.

[B. Max]

QUOTE (B. Max @ Mar 15 2005, 01:34 AM)

They don't share that area at all. The US owns it outright. Canada has no business telling the americans jack shit what to do with it. Most especially with a silly excuse like this. 

It is part of the same calving ground for the caribou that is shared by the USA and Canada. Nature recognizes no borders nor do the Gwich'in Indians that depend on this herd.

Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in northeast Alaska would ruin the calving ground of the Porcupine caribou herd, on which native Gwich'in Indians in Alaska and Canada have depended on for thousands of years.

That is nonsense. It wouldn't ruin anything. The same claims were made when they built the first alaskan pipeline and none of it was true. Nor has it ever made any difference in alberta or BC with the deer moose or elk. As for the eskimos, they do very little hunting anymore and prefer to live more like the whiteman. In fact i read a story the other day that said these eskimos are in favor of new drilling which will also mean a new major pipeline coming all the way down through alberta and beyond. Which will also mean a big boost to pipeline construction, construction in general and the petro chemical industry in alberta. Once again we have the damn feds interfering in alberta's business and everyone elses.

[caesar]

Yes, right. Ignore environmental damage as long as that oil keeps flowing. Greed and denial

[Fortunata]

BMax

Eskimo is a term that only the uninformed and ignorant use to identify northern aboriginals. And, yes, they do continue many of their traditions including hunting caribou, whale and seal for food.

Very good insights the past two nites on the National of life in the north. They were at Cape Dorset on Baffin Island.

[B. Max]

Yes, right. Ignore environmental damage as long as that oil keeps flowing. Greed and denial

What damage, what greed.

[Fortunata]

The US Senate has voted 51 to 49 to allow drilling in the ANWR. Congress still has to ok it, which they will, as it is all tied to the budget. Very smart of the Bushies to bring it in that way.

[I miss Reagan]

That is good news. Now we can start moving away from reliance on Saudi Oil.

ANWR contains between 5 and 16 billion barrels of oil, according to government figures. At peak production, it could yield more than 1 million barrels per day — nearly as much as the United States imports from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela combined.

As for the environment:

ANWR represents a small portion of Alaska and the oil exploration area is even smaller. Drilling pads total 2,000 acres, or less than one-tenth of 1 percent of the refuge.

Last Stand for Environment or First Step to Energy Independence?

Today, ANWR is as much a symbol as it is a place. To environmentalists, it is a last stand and the first step toward an alternative energy economy. To supporters, it is the most logical, sensible thing to do to reduce our dependence on unstable foreign countries.

The Gwich'in Indians, who live near the refuge, are concerned that drilling for ANWR's oil will hurt migrating caribou.

But experience suggests a different story. Since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay began pumping oil 30 years ago, the caribou herd there has grown from 3,000 to 36,000 animals.

Story

[B. Max]

That is good news. Now we can start moving away from reliance on Saudi Oil.

ANWR contains between 5 and 16 billion barrels of oil, according to government figures. At peak production, it could yield more than 1 million barrels per day — nearly as much as the United States imports from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela combined.

As for the environment:

ANWR represents a small portion of Alaska and the oil exploration area is even smaller. Drilling pads total 2,000 acres, or less than one-tenth of 1 percent of the refuge.

Last Stand for Environment or First Step to Energy Independence?

Today, ANWR is as much a symbol as it is a place. To environmentalists, it is a last stand and the first step toward an alternative energy economy. To supporters, it is the most logical, sensible thing to do to reduce our dependence on unstable foreign countries.

The Gwich'in Indians, who live near the refuge, are concerned that drilling for ANWR's oil will hurt migrating caribou.

But experience suggests a different story. Since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay began pumping oil 30 years ago, the caribou herd there has grown from 3,000 to 36,000 animals.

Story

Canada will most likey replace saudi arabia in the near future as the leading exporter of oil to the US. The oil industry in alberta BC and the northwest terriorties is booming and expected to grow every year. As long as the dough heads in ottawa don't throw a wrench in it. If they do i expect secession of the west will be automatic and come to reality very quickly. We will then be able to get on with business as it should, without the eastern yoke of socialist tyranny around our neck.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html

[Fortunata]

That is good news.  Now we can start moving away from reliance on Saudi Oil.

Rape and pillage no matter the cost eh? Halliburton stocks go up yet?

As far as Saudi Arabia goes, the USA has been in bed with them for so long, there will be a continued relationship. But with all that oil under occupied Iraq, who needed ANWR? Every American should have a hummer.

[I miss Reagan]

That is good news.  Now we can start moving away from reliance on Saudi Oil.

Rape and pillage no matter the cost eh? Halliburton stocks go up yet?

As far as Saudi Arabia goes, the USA has been in bed with them for so long, there will be a continued relationship. But with all that oil under occupied Iraq, who needed ANWR? Every American should have a hummer.

[caesar]

That is good news. Now we can start moving away from reliance on Saudi Oil.

I do believe that the USA imports most of its oil from Canada; probably, mainly Alberta.

World supply, however, is what dictates prices.

Probably one of the main reasons so many Albertans are pro American and anti Kyota.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear caesar,

You are correct. The US imports oil from:

Canada (17%)

Saudi Arabia (14.5%)

Mexico (13%)

Venezuela (11%)

As consumers, they lead the way big time:

USA (20 million barrels per day)

China (5.6)

Japan (5.5)

However, they do produce some of their own,

IN 1994, U.S. OIL IMPORTS EXCEEDED 50% OF CONSUMPTION FOR THE FIRST TIME. In 1999, US imports were about 11 million barrels per day, compared to our domestic production of 6 million barrels per day

and recently

2004 UPDATE: US Imports total about 61% of consumption: 13.12 million barrels per day in July 2004, out of total consumption of 21.4 million barrels per day.

source:http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html

However, China's economy, consumption etc is exploding. They will soon and easily surpass the US for consumption, and are becoming a major player in the oil world. China is probably the biggest threat to the US in this regard, for if push comes to shove, the US dollar is almost worthless, and oil producing countries might opt to take hard currency vs. the new clothes off of the emperor's back.

[Black Dog]

The issue is not a simple one of environment versus development. Drilling in ANWR won't do much to alleviate dependence on foreign oil or lower prices: according to the Energy Information Administration, there's only about 10 billion barrels of oil there which is about what the U.S. consumes in one year. That figure is itself misleading, as it covers the entire area, including large portions of ANWR that lie outside the coastal plain and are not part of the current exploration proposal.

Also, ANWR will take about 10 years to come online. Once it does, its production will peak at 875,000 barrels per day: but not till the year 2025, by which point the US is projected to need a 35 million barrels per day.

So, even if ANWR drilling was ecologically sound, its doesn't make much sense economically. Unless you're in the oil business or have friends who are...

[B. Max]

That is good news. Now we can start moving away from reliance on Saudi Oil.

I do believe that the USA imports most of its oil from Canada; probably, mainly Alberta.

World supply, however, is what dictates prices.

Probably one of the main reasons so many Albertans are pro American and anti Kyota.

Alberta has more in common with states like montana and texas than we do with the east, and that extends to more than oil.

[Black Dog]

Alberta has more in common with states like montana and texas than we do with the east, and that extends to more than oil.

You might think so. In that sense, you're no different from a generation of Alberta politicians who have taken the concept of western alienation and the stock Alberta identity and turned it into a caricature. people like Ralph Klein have a good reason for pushing that rubbish: the fear of the eastern "others" keeps him and his ilk in power. What's your excuse?

[B. Max]

Alberta has more in common with states like montana and texas than we do with the east, and that extends to more than oil.

You might think so. In that sense, you're no different from a generation of Alberta politicians who have taken the concept of western alienation and the stock Alberta identity and turned it into a caricature. people like Ralph Klein have a good reason for pushing that rubbish: the fear of the eastern "others" keeps him and his ilk in power. What's your excuse?

Ralph is a song and dance man for the eastern corrupt elite. It's not alienation, it's eastern extortion and the tyranny of the eastern government who get their marching orders from the equally corrupt UN. Albertans want out. It's only a matter of time and when that happens the corrupt house of cards will collapse. All the quebec ass kissing will be for not and we will have our revenge.

[Black Dog]

Ralph is a song and dance man for the eastern corrupt elite. It's not alienation, it's eastern extortion and the tyranny of the eastern government who get their marching orders from the equally corrupt UN. Albertans want out. It's only a matter of time and when that happens the corrupt house of cards will collapse. All the quebec ass kissing will be for not and we will have our revenge.

Oooookay. I thought you were a crank, but I had you pegged as a garden variety prairie malcontent, not a full-on black helicopters/new world order kook. As for "Albertans want(ing) out", is that why support for seccession hovers below 10 per cent? The separation option appeals mainly to rural cranks. Everyone else knows that, while Alberta may be a big fish in the small pond of Canada, it would have a hard time swimming on its own.

One other thing: when the "corrupt house of cards collapses" what makes you think Alberta would be spared?

[B. Max]

Ralph is a song and dance man for the eastern corrupt elite. It's not alienation, it's eastern extortion and the tyranny of the eastern government who get their marching orders from the equally corrupt UN. Albertans want out. It's only a matter of time and when that happens the corrupt house of cards will collapse. All the quebec ass kissing will be for not and we will have our revenge.

Oooookay. I thought you were a crank, but I had you pegged as a garden variety prairie malcontent, not a full-on black helicopters/new world order kook. As for "Albertans want(ing) out", is that why support for seccession hovers below 10 per cent? The separation option appeals mainly to rural cranks. Everyone else knows that, while Alberta may be a big fish in the small pond of Canada, it would have a hard time swimming on its own.

One other thing: when the "corrupt house of cards collapses" what makes you think Alberta would be spared?

Spare me the eastern nonsense. There are two contributing provinces left. Alberta and Ont. Ont is running up debt faster than anyone and at this rate will soon begin to faulter. With alberta gone, the only one left for quebec to tap would be Ont. I can't see the people of Ont. willing to be tapped for the extra ten billion or more a year that is now extorted out of the pockets of albertans. One of two things would happen. Either quebec will pull the pin or the hoady totes in Ont. will finally wake up and revolt. Either way the scam will be over and the whole thing can be carted off to histories failed social experiments pile. Alberta does not need the east, if you have that impression you will be sadly disappointed.

[Black Dog]

SO Alberta is a have province now. How, pray tell, wopuld Albert ahandle all the extra responsibilities soverignty would foist upon them (such as defence)? Even better: what would happen to Alberta when the oil runs out?

[B. Max]

SO Alberta is a have province now. How, pray tell, wopuld Albert ahandle all the extra responsibilities soverignty would foist upon them (such as defence)? Even better: what would happen to Alberta when the oil runs out?

Alberta would handle defense just fine. The oil won't be running out anytime soon. However if we stay in this country until it does, and continue to have the feds extort away our dollars up to the end we'll really be in trouble.

[Black Dog]

Alberta would handle defense just fine. The oil won't be running out anytime soon. However if we stay in this country until it does, and continue to have the feds extort away our dollars up to the end we'll really be in trouble.

Glad to see you have a solid plan.