bush_cheney2004 Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Machjo said: Just impose quality standards. Done. Maybe, but Canadian "standards" led to the poisoning of millions of pets back in 2007 (Menu Foods, Ontario). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_pet_food_recalls Edited August 29, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 29, 2018 Author Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. has excess production of milk, not beans and nuts. Vegans don't matter as much. So? US dairy farmers could shift their production to more beans and nuts. I really would much appreciate it. By the way, maybe the reason the US doesn't export as much as it would like is because it subsidizes the wrong stuff. Milk tastes gross. Subsidize cherries and other fruits and expect to grow your trade surplus real fast. Edited August 29, 2018 by Machjo Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Machjo said: So? Us dairy farmers could shift their production to more beans and nuts. I really would much appreciate it. By the way, maybe the US doesn't export as much as it would like is because it subsidizes the wrong stuff. milk tastes gross. Subsidize cherries and other fruits, and expect to grow your trade surplus real fast. Not likely...the lacteal fluid extracted from the female of the bovine species is a food staple and is also used in many other, higher margin products. Mammals like milk. The vegans who want to eat more healthy produce will always be a smaller, fringe market. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not likely...the lacteal fluid extracted from the female of the bovine species is a food staple and is also used in many other, higher margin products. Mammals like milk. The vegans who want to eat more healthy produce will always be a smaller, fringe market. Whatever happened to supporting minority privileges... er... I mean rights? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Machjo said: Whatever happened to supporting minority privileges... er... I mean rights? Ask Justin Trudeau how that has worked out so far. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Ask Justin Trudeau how that has worked out so far. But on a more serious note, should the vegan minority be subsidizing the omnivorous majority's food consumption? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Machjo said: But on a more serious note, should the vegan minority be subsidizing the omnivorous majority's food consumption? Yes, because the vegan minority benefits more from the much larger capital investment and farming/distribution infrastrusture paid for by the omnivores. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes, because the vegan minority benefits more from the much larger capital investment and farming/distribution infrastrusture paid for by the omnivores. Proportionately, omnivores use up more land than vegans do. Our food goes straight from field to mouth, yours goes to the ranch first. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Machjo said: Proportionately, omnivores use up more land than vegans do. Our food goes straight from field to mouth, yours goes to the ranch first. But there is no separate vegan distribution channel, not even for local growers. Vegans are a boutique side-show. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But there is no separate vegan distribution channel, not even for local growers. Vegans are a boutique side-show. You eat the same stuff we do and then some. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Machjo said: You eat the same stuff we do and then some. No I don't...when I stroll my cart past the tiny section dedicated to "organics" and "vegan", I just laugh at the much higher prices and think, "Suckers !" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No I don't...when I stroll my cart past the tiny section dedicated to "organics" and "vegan", I just laugh at the much higher prices and think, "Suckers !" I don't even shop in that section. Do you shop in the produce section? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Machjo said: I don't even shop in that section. Do you shop in the produce section? I don't shop per se, knowing exactly what I want and where it is. "Vegan" is a higher margin, niche market for those who will pay....most won't. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't shop per se, knowing exactly what I want and where it is. "Vegan" is a higher margin, niche market for those who will pay....most won't. The best part is that it's not subsidized. Edited August 30, 2018 by Machjo Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, Machjo said: The best part is that it's not subsidized. If that makes your day, that is great....most people just don't care. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If that makes your day, that is great....most people just don't care. And that's why we're drowning in government debt. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, Machjo said: And that's why we're drowning in government debt. ...and we always will be. May as well have cheap milk and ice cream. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ...and we always will be. May as well have cheap milk and ice cream. I guess so. May as well max it out before declaring bankruptcy too. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
mowich Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 1:51 PM, Machjo said: Supply-management does not affect me directly as a vegan shopper in Canada far as I know. As far as I know, the Government does not subsidies milk products but rather just limits competition. This means that the buyers of milk products bear the full brunt of the cost of milk-production in Canada. If Canada should adopt the US policy of subsidizing milk products, then I would be subsidizing other people's milk purchases even though I don't buy milk products myself. looking at it from the standpoint of user-pay, supply-management far surpasses subsidies both economically and morally. Should push come to shove, Canada should propose that the US adopt a North-American supply-management system and stop subsidizing its milk products. I'm not saying that supply-management is a good thing, but just that subsidies are even worse and I don't want us to jump from the frying pan of supply-management into the fire of subsidies. Well hello there Machjo or as you are known in Canadian Content forums - White Unifier. Found this post and decided to share it with other members on CC - just so you know. Quote
Machjo Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, mowich said: Well hello there Machjo or as you are known in Canadian Content forums - White Unifier. Found this post and decided to share it with other members on CC - just so you know. Thanks for that. So, what are your thoughts on supply-management vs. subsidies? Though both are harmful, do you see one as worse than the other? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Army Guy Posted August 31, 2018 Report Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 2:47 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Apparently many Canadians near the border do not agree with you, as they are more than willing to drive across the U.S. border to buy a lot more than just dairy. Consumers in Canada get hosed by many provincial and federal policies that go far beyond milk, and it has nothing to do with morals. I know many people who will drive to Houlton Maine to pick up dairy products, chicken and turkey, plus a shit tonne of other things , plus they take advantage of the coupons making it even cheaper...... a drive of over 120 KM....is worth the drive.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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