Trudeau denies funding for student summer jobs.

[Omni]

Just now, taxme said:

Read it all over again. You clearly have not done so. 

Don't have to, I read it once and that's all I need to understand it. However you maybe ought to give it another go. Get back to us.

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, Omni said:

Don't have to, I read it once and that's all I need to understand it. However you maybe ought to give it another go. Get back to us.

Judging by all the conversations that I have had with you all have shown me that you really are a waste of good time. If you are to stunned to figure out as to what was really said well that is your stupidity, not mine. Your problem is that CNN and MSNBC have brainwashed your tincy-wincy brain for so long now that common sense and logic have been long ago been removed thru their communist brainwashing. But then again who really cares about you anyway except maybe Impact. Wow, what a backup. 

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Judging by all the conversations that I have had with you all have shown me that you really are a waste of good time. If you are to stunned to figure out as to what was really said well that is your stupidity, not mine. Your problem is that CNN and MSNBC have brainwashed your tincy-wincy brain for so long now that common sense and logic have been long ago been removed thru their communist brainwashing. But then again who really cares about you anyway except maybe Impact. Wow, what a backup. 

well talk about brainwashed, you seem quite obviously to be a breitbart or fox fan. But btw, what makes you think cnn cares about our Canadian attestation. You should re read it and try to understand. I've explained it a number of times but apparently you don't get it. But I'll give you a hint, if you're looking for a summer job, don't spout off about abortion rights.

[taxme]

14 minutes ago, Omni said:

well talk about brainwashed, you seem quite obviously to be a breitbart or fox fan. But btw, what makes you think cnn cares about our Canadian attestation. You should re read it and try to understand. I've explained it a number of times but apparently you don't get it. But I'll give you a hint, if you're looking for a summer job, don't spout off about abortion rights.

Indeed I am a FOX fan. You are a CNN fan. So, what's your point?  

 

[Omni]

Just now, taxme said:

Indeed I am a FOX fan. You are a CNN fan. So, what's your point?  

 

If you have to ask you're not paying attention very well. Even the owner of Faux agrees that his channel is not news but simply entertainment.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, ?Impact said:

You are focused on abortion, that is your problem.

Well, the question is about abortion, so that would seem like a logical thing to focus on.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Omni said:

 If you want access to public funds to hire summer workers you can't deny them based on their religious beliefs.

Quite simple actually.

From the Globe article:
"Religious leaders are calling on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to reverse a policy requiring organizations to pledge their respect for abortion rights and the rights of LGBTQ Canadians before receiving federal funding to create summer jobs for youth."

That doesn't say anything about denying jobs based on religious beliefs - it says that funding can be denied to organizations hiring summer students.  Religions are allowed to discriminate based on religious beliefs - they can even refuse to hire people who are not of their faith.

This seems like a side-door into banning religion.  If they want to do it, they need a constitution change first.

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

From the Globe article:
"Religious leaders are calling on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to reverse a policy requiring organizations to pledge their respect for abortion rights and the rights of LGBTQ Canadians before receiving federal funding to create summer jobs for youth."

That doesn't say anything about denying jobs based on religious beliefs - it says that funding can be denied to organizations hiring summer students.  Religions are allowed to discriminate based on religious beliefs - they can even refuse to hire people who are not of their faith.

This seems like a side-door into banning religion.  If they want to do it, they need a constitution change first.

Church groups can't discriminate if they want access to the public purse. Simple enough, and I agree with it. If a pro choice gal wants a summer job she should have equal access as the gal who is pro life. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Except that is not what it said, not even in the slightest. Why do you continue to tell the same lie again and again, do you expect people to believe your lie?

I don't.  I just disagree with your interpretation of what is being asked.  I just have too much class to accuse you of lying.  I truly think you believe what you say.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't.  I just disagree with your interpretation of what is being asked.  I just have too much class to accuse you of lying.  I truly think you believe what you say.

Do you think federal job funds should be denied to people who believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion?

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Omni said:

Do you think federal job funds should be denied to people who believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion?

I don't think federal job funds should be denied to people who believe anything.

Under normal circumstances, is that acceptable?  I ask out of genuine curiosity, as I do not know what the rules are.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I don't think federal job funds should be denied to people who believe anything.

Under normal circumstances, is that acceptable?  I ask out of genuine curiosity, as I do not know what the rules are.

A lot of the associations who apply for the government funding program are church's or religious organizations. All the attestation (tick the box) does is to agree to accept a respective applicant regardless of their religious beliefs, even if they disagree with the particular organization.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

A lot of the associations who apply for the government funding program are church's or religious organizations. All the attestation (tick the box) does is to agree to accept a respective applicant regardless of their religious beliefs, even if they disagree with the particular organization.

That's where we differ.  Unless there is more to it than what I have seen written, it looks like an affirmation of belief.  An agreement with the principle, not an agreement to adhere to rules based on the principle.  If it is purely there for the reasons you say, it is so poorly written as to make me think it was a deliberate attempt to cause friction.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

That's where we differ.  Unless there is more to it than what I have seen written, it looks like an affirmation of belief.  An agreement with the principle, not an agreement to adhere to rules based on the principle.  If it is purely there for the reasons you say, it is so poorly written as to make me think it was a deliberate attempt to cause friction.

Let's say you represent an anti abortion church and you want to hire a summer student to do some work. And let's say a girl applies for the job. You can question her qualifications as to how she might be qualified for the job, you just can't disqualify her because she happens to be pro choice.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Let's say you represent an anti abortion church and you want to hire a summer student to do some work. And let's say a girl applies for the job. You can question her qualifications as to how she might be qualified for the job, you just can't disqualify her because she happens to be pro choice.

Of course not.  I went back and re-read the article I posted and this passage illustrates well what I say here:

Trudeau's government has said organizations seeking summer job funding will have to affirm that neither their "core mandate" nor the job itself oppose human rights, including those related to abortion, sexual orientation and gender identity.

It's fine, in my opinion, to seek an affirmation that the job itself does not oppose human rights.  It is not fine, in my opinion, to request an affirmation of anything regarding their core mandate.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Of course not.  I went back and re-read the article I posted and this passage illustrates well what I say here:

Trudeau's government has said organizations seeking summer job funding will have to affirm that neither their "core mandate" nor the job itself oppose human rights, including those related to abortion, sexual orientation and gender identity.

It's fine, in my opinion, to seek an affirmation that the job itself does not oppose human rights.  It is not fine, in my opinion, to request an affirmation of anything regarding their core mandate.

So you'd be comfortable giving money to the KKK regardless of their "core mandate"?

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, Omni said:

So you'd be comfortable giving money to the KKK regardless of their "core mandate"?

Sure, why not. All they are is just a bunch of great guys who occasionally get together and play a game called guess who is hiding under the sheets today.  Sheesh. Where is your sense of humor that is if you have any? 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

So you'd be comfortable giving money to the KKK regardless of their "core mandate"?

If they were providing decent summer jobs for students, without requiring them to burn crosses on black people's lawns, sure.

Surprising as it may be, I really do not care what someone believes.  I care what they do.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

If they were providing decent summer jobs for students, without requiring them to burn crosses on black people's lawns, sure.

Surprising as it may be, I really do not care what someone believes.  I care what they do.

You're finally getting the point.

[Guest]

Just now, Omni said:

You're finally getting the point.

No, I've always known the point.  I'm just still disagreeing with yours.  Your whole argument rests on actions, not beliefs, when the attestation is an affirmation of beliefs, with no reference to actions.

At least, that's based on what I've read.  If I'm wrong, and there is some reference to actually discriminating when awarding jobs to applicants, please post it and I'll reassess my position.

[Omni]

45 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, I've always known the point.  I'm just still disagreeing with yours.  Your whole argument rests on actions, not beliefs, when the attestation is an affirmation of beliefs, with no reference to actions.

At least, that's based on what I've read.  If I'm wrong, and there is some reference to actually discriminating when awarding jobs to applicants, please post it and I'll reassess my position.

You can hire whoever you want, you just can't force your beliefs on them if they happen to differ.

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Omni said:

You can hire whoever you want, you just can't force your beliefs on them if they happen to differ.

We agree on that.  We disagree on the relationship the attestation in question has to that.

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

We agree on that.  We disagree on the relationship the attestation in question has to that.

You tick the box agreeing to the aforementioned and you get that public money. Simple.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

You tick the box agreeing to the aforementioned and you get that public money. Simple.

That's where the disagreement occurs, yes. 

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

That's where the disagreement occurs, yes. 

When you tick the box you are simply agreeing not to infringe on an individuals rights.