PIK Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Topaz said: R U saying Harper never lied?? Because I'm pretty sure MOST Canadians believed he did. It happens to most but show me all the blatant lies he said compared to trudeau. Trudeau lied to everyone. Now harepr I guess lied about income splitting and it turned out he was right in not doing what he said he was going to do. But with trudeau , it is lies after lies. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
taxme Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 4 hours ago, ?Impact said: You obviously have a comprehension issue with first nation. Not me, fella. All I am saying here is that I have had enough of their whining and crying about how hard they are still being done by today. It is you who appears to not get the picture yet. They have been given billions of tax dollars over the decades to make their lives a lot better and still they can never get enough from old whitey. Their constant complaining about white people stealing their land is racist because I had nothing to do with it. I never stole their land from them. Others who did are long gone now. Hello, it's wakey-wakey time. Quote
taxme Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Argus said: Maybe he just understands that a few hundred people living in the woods off Canada's native welfare system don't constitute a 'nation'. This coming from another apologist who keeps listening to the whining and crying from Indians all the time who cannot get over what happened to them hundreds of years ago. They are land owners, they are not a nation. A nation is a country like Canada, and the Indians all live in that nation called Canada. Live with it Mr. expert on Trump and Russia. Quote
?Impact Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, taxme said: They are land owners, they are not a nation. A nation is a country like Canada, What defines a nation? Does one have to have a lot of money, and an army to become a nation? Quote
Gingerteeth Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, taxme said: Not me, fella. All I am saying here is that I have had enough of their whining and crying about how hard they are still being done by today. It is you who appears to not get the picture yet. They have been given billions of tax dollars over the decades to make their lives a lot better and still they can never get enough from old whitey. Their constant complaining about white people stealing their land is racist because I had nothing to do with it. I never stole their land from them. Others who did are long gone now. Hello, it's wakey-wakey time. The government signed treaties that are enshrined in our constitution that gaurantees services equivalent to what all Canadians recieve on reservations. Something our government has dragged their feet on. Quote
Argus Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Gingerteeth said: The government signed treaties that are enshrined in our constitution that gaurantees services equivalent to what all Canadians recieve on reservations. Something our government has dragged their feet on. Can you cite one of these treaties that guaranteed them services equivalent to what Canadians receive? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Gingerteeth Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Argus said: Can you cite one of these treaties that guaranteed them services equivalent to what Canadians receive? http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100032291/1100100032292 Pre confederation They surrendered their interest in lands in exchange for certain other benefits that could include reserves, annual payments or other types of payment and certain rights to hunt and fish. confederation and after In exchange, the treaties provided for such things as reserve lands and other benefits like farm equipment and animals, annual payments, ammunition, clothing and certain rights to hunt and fish. The Crown also made some promises such as maintaining schools on reserves or providing teachers or educational help to the First Nation named in the treaties. Treaty No. 6 included the promise of a medicine chest. Quote
taxme Posted January 16, 2018 Report Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, ?Impact said: What defines a nation? Does one have to have a lot of money, and an army to become a nation? The definition of the word nation to me means that we would be talking about a country or a nation of people. Indians are living in a country or if you want to call it a nation. Indians are a group of people who are living in a country or nation. Indians do not have a country or nation that they can call all their own unless they want to call Canada their nation or country. They are using the word nation for their own reasons and purposes. The United Nations is made up of countries that are called nations or countries. There is no Canadian Indian nation in the UN. Quote
taxme Posted January 16, 2018 Report Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Gingerteeth said: The government signed treaties that are enshrined in our constitution that gaurantees services equivalent to what all Canadians recieve on reservations. Something our government has dragged their feet on. Well, you and me and thee the taxpayer is the government. And this taxpayer government has done more than it's fair share of compensating the Indians for several decades now for all the wrongs done to them. How much longer does the taxpayer government have to keep paying these Indians? Forever? There must come an end where these Indians need to stop being treated with special gloves and start paying their own way like the rest of the taxpaying Canadian folk have being doing for centuries now. It is not fair to other Canadians who are forced to pay taxes on whatever the Indian does not have to pay taxes on. A $10,000 motorcycle costs the Indian $10,000 while that same motorcycle costs me approx. $2,000 more. That is discrimination and racist as far as I am concerned. At least with Senator Beyak she said it like it should be said which hurts a lot of bleeding heart guilt ridden white liberals here who are always afraid of someone who really tells it like it is and tells the truth. They would rather pay the extra $2,000, and say nothing, so as they can appear to say to all their peers out there, hey, look at me everybody I am not a racist. Pathetic people indeed. It's time for those treaties to come to an end. It's not the 18/19 hundreds anymore. Time to move on. Quote
Gingerteeth Posted January 16, 2018 Report Posted January 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, taxme said: Well, you and me and thee the taxpayer is the government. And this taxpayer government has done more than it's fair share of compensating the Indians for several decades now for all the wrongs done to them. How much longer does the taxpayer government have to keep paying these Indians? Forever? There must come an end where these Indians need to stop being treated with special gloves and start paying their own way like the rest of the taxpaying Canadian folk have being doing for centuries now. It is not fair to other Canadians who are forced to pay taxes on whatever the Indian does not have to pay taxes on. A $10,000 motorcycle costs the Indian $10,000 while that same motorcycle costs me approx. $2,000 more. That is discrimination and racist as far as I am concerned. At least with Senator Beyak she said it like it should be said which hurts a lot of bleeding heart guilt ridden white liberals here who are always afraid of someone who really tells it like it is and tells the truth. They would rather pay the extra $2,000, and say nothing, so as they can appear to say to all their peers out there, hey, look at me everybody I am not a racist. Pathetic people indeed. It's time for those treaties to come to an end. It's not the 18/19 hundreds anymore. Time to move on. They are paid based on the treaties we have with them. It is in our charter and constitution. Don't like it, don't live here. You should follow your own advice. Time to move on. Quote
taxme Posted January 16, 2018 Report Posted January 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Gingerteeth said: They are paid based on the treaties we have with them. It is in our charter and constitution. Don't like it, don't live here. You should follow your own advice. Time to move on. Our Canadian charter also says that Canada does not discriminate. Giving Indians tax free exemptions on anything is discriminatory and racist. The Indians are already being given hundreds of millions of tax dollars every year. Why do they need to get tax breaks also? I am following my own mind and speaking out about injustice. I don't intend to leave Canada because of what is going on in Canada. I am going to stay here and say what needs to be said. Why don't you leave Canada if you are living here? That would be one less liberal around for me to have to waste my time with that is if you are Canadian? I have moved on but this country has not yet moved on. Canada is still living in the past, and is still trying to rub the noses of the white people up the butts of all the ungrateful Indians, and Canada keeps trying to make us pay for what happened in the past that was not done by the people that are alive today. Wake up, snowflake. Quote
Argus Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Posted January 16, 2018 23 hours ago, Gingerteeth said: http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100032291/1100100032292 Pre confederation confederation and after That's pretty broad. It's not the treaty I asked for. I am aware that treaties were signed in exchange for things like reserves, perhaps cows and fishing rights. I rather doubt that the treaties called for them to be provided with free electricity or homes, or individual payments like they get today, nor education, nor free health care which exceeds what rural Canadians who aren't natives can expect. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Gingerteeth Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Argus said: That's pretty broad. It's not the treaty I asked for. I am aware that treaties were signed in exchange for things like reserves, perhaps cows and fishing rights. I rather doubt that the treaties called for them to be provided with free electricity or homes, or individual payments like they get today, nor education, nor free health care which exceeds what rural Canadians who aren't natives can expect. It is exactly what you asked for. Canada inteprets laws in context of today not 150+ years ago. Quote
Argus Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Posted January 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Gingerteeth said: It is exactly what you asked for. Canada inteprets laws in context of today not 150+ years ago. Uhm no, I don't think so. I don't see how you legally have to reinterpret a treaty to give people electricity. The government doesn't provide electricity to anyone else. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Nefarious Banana Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) The buffalo are gone ..... they're not coming back. Get over it! The sad thing in Canada and especially BC .... is that the province is being cleaved apart along racial lines and issues. Didn't Harper enact the Transparency Act .... didn't Trudeau dis-member it ? https://ipolitics.ca/2015/12/24/thetransparency-act-is-one-harper-law-trudeau-should-have-left-alone/ Edited January 17, 2018 by Nefarious Banana Quote
?Impact Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Didn't Harper enact the Transparency Act .... didn't Trudeau dis-member it ? Transparency is a good thing, one nation oppressing another is bad. Quote
Gingerteeth Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Argus said: Uhm no, I don't think so. I don't see how you legally have to reinterpret a treaty to give people electricity. The government doesn't provide electricity to anyone else. You asked where treaties give FN people services. I gave you a source and now you are trying to weasel out of it. Electricity is a nevessary service especially for medical and educational institutes. We don't interpret laws in the context of 1835 we do so in the context of today. Quote
Argus Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Gingerteeth said: You asked where treaties give FN people services. I gave you a source and now you are trying to weasel out of it. Electricity is a nevessary service especially for medical and educational institutes. We don't interpret laws in the context of 1835 we do so in the context of today. So the treaty itself doesn't say a thing about electricity. Probably doesn't say a thing about housing either. I highly doubt it gives them free flights for medical visits or tuition grants for college either. We've added these and other things on because we're humane now, not because they're treaty requirements. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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