betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Last night, I watched CBC's Interrupt: JAKARTA. It's a must-see! It's a documentary about 3 activists artists in Jakarta, and it enhances feminism and LGBTQ rights (both dear to Justin Trudeau's heart)........at the expense of another agenda that's obviously much dearer to his heart - fundamentalist Islam. The video is 30 minutes long - but it's worth it. http://watch.cbc.ca/interrupt-this-p...5a-00d25f27378 The message by these artists are blunt. These struck me:"This religious fundamentalism is gaining momentum, and it's mainstreaming. It's like pollution because it's all around us and we inhale it everyday, we don't realize how bad it is for us and how it's killing us. Before, we were afraid of the government censoring us. Now, we are afraid of fellow-citizens reporting us to the police for offending them.....for offending their religion....it's a public censorship basically. Civilians censoring civilians." Islamophobia came to mind. "It's just a motion!" supporters say. Really? What for? Why do we waste time and taxpayers' money on a motion, if it's not something significant? The motion for Islamophobia is basically a foot in the door. That's how these atrocious things start. They creep up on you. An artist from Montreal says: timer- 4:30"The most striking scene I've seen in Jakarta this time is how many women here are wearing the Muslim hijab. Ten years ago, we didn't see much. The social pressure is getting bigger and bigger." Ironically, listening to Trudeau these days........ .........does he have that feeling of deja vu lately, I wonder? If Trudeau is unstopped, 10 years from now this artist will look back, and he'll be repeating that same line.....except it will be a description of Canada. Trudeau's stance on the niqab/burqa issue, supports and enables this social pressure. Anyone who support it are not women champions - they're enablers for oppression! You can't claim to champion women and yet at the same time, close your eyes to burqas and niqabs. You can't wash your hands and say that it's a woman's choice to wear a burqa or a niqab. Anyone who stands with Trudeau on this, is either an ignorant...........or a hypocrite. What these artists had observed and revealed, should open our eyes wider - and alarm us - to what's happening around us now. Edited October 21, 2017 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Btw......if you think that's all, think again. Quote Female genital mutilation defended in article on ‘Muslims in Calgary’ website In the undated article entitled Female Circumcision in Islam, author Asiff Hussein claims both that FGM is “an Islamic practice” and that it “brings untold benefits to women.” Hussein discusses the 2009 ruling by Malaysia’s National Council for Islamic Religious Affairs that FGM was mandatory for Muslim women, noting that he “could not find anything objectionable in it.” There is reason to be concerned about increased incidents of female genital mutilation in Canada. A recent internal CBSA report reveals that border officers have been put on alert to watch for FGM practitioners entering Canada.Prime Minister Justin Trudeau recently removed the strict warning against FGM in Discover Canada — the citizenship guide given to all newcomers to Canada http://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/05...algary-website let's repeat that part: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau recently removed the strict warning against FGM in Discover Canada — the citizenship guide given to all newcomers to Canada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Isn't it surprising for Justin Trudeau to break off from his EU friends when it comes to fundamentalist Islam? Quote Austria Becomes Latest Country In Europe To Ban Full-Face Veil "Starting in October, police will be charging fines from people who wear clothes that obstruct their facial features," Deutsche Welle reports. "The 150-euro ($166) fine would also apply to women wearing burqas and niqabs at universities, courts, or in public transport." France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Bulgaria have already banned or partially banned wearing a burqa or niqab. Germany and Norway are also working on bans. In March, the EU's highest court ruled that a Muslim woman who was fired in Belgium over wanting to wear an Islamic headscarf at her job did not suffer from direct discrimination, because her employer had a general rule against religious or political displays. Austria Becomes Latest Country In Europe To Ban Full-Face Veil : The Two-Way : NPR Quote Angela Merkel calls for burqa ban 'wherever legally possible' in Germany http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-burqa-ban-law-vote-favour-angela-merkel-islam-muslim-civil-servants-judges-military-a7706781.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 What else was taken out from the new citizenship guide? The section explaining that “barbaric cultural practices” such as honour killings are not accepted in Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Why did Trudeau taken out the warning about FGM and the unacceptable honour killings, from the new citizenship guide? Taking and leaving out what used to be written as unacceptable..... .....implies that those are now acceptable. Edited October 21, 2017 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 "Starting in October, police will be charging fines from people who wear clothes that obstruct their facial features," Deutsche Welle reports. "The 150-euro ($166) fine would also apply to women wearing burqas and niqabs at universities, courts, or in public transport." Looks more like authorities are using veils as an excuse to force everyone's face to be visible, probably to facilitate the state's surveillance of the entire population. No doubt conservatives will be perfectly happy with that too - useful idiots that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: Looks more like authorities are using veils as an excuse to force everyone's face to be visible, probably to facilitate the state's surveillance of the entire population. No doubt conservatives will be perfectly happy with that too - useful idiots that they are. If it got passed in Europe.....obviously, there are liberals who like it that way too. It's all about politics. Edited October 21, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, betsy said: Obviously, there are liberals who like it that way too. Clearly, which explains why I'm not a right winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: Clearly, which explains why I'm not a right winger. Eh? Not only conservatives support the banning! Liberals, too! Quote Denmark set to become next European country to ban burqas “This is not a ban on religious clothing, this is a ban on masking,” Jacob Ellemann-Jensen, spokesman for the Liberal Party, told reporters on Friday after his party, the largest in the coalition government, decided to back a ban. This would effectively mean a ban on the niqab and the burqa, he added. Around 200 women in Denmark wear such garments, according to researchers. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denmark-religion-burqa/denmark-set-to-become-next-european-country-to-ban-burqas-idUSKBN1CB15N They call it "a ban on masking." Edited October 21, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, betsy said: Eh? Not only conservatives support the banning! Liberals, too! Yes, right winger as I said. Please refer to post revolutionary France for the proper historical definition of what constitutes a right wing. They call it a, "a ban on masking." Yes, I just pointed out it has less to do with veils than it does forcing everyone to submit to the will of a state's surveillance apparatus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 I suppose Trudeau must think his EU friends are now discriminating against women. How dare they tell women what they can, and cannot wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 He'll change his tune soon enough...you just watch. He probably already admires how efficient this sort of dictatorial policy is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 No Canadian PM, least of all a Liberal, let an opportunity to increase the power of the state slip by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes, I just pointed out it has less to do with veils than it does forcing everyone to submit to the will of a state's surveillance apparatus. Surveillance - big brother - it's like 1984. But, I don't think 1984 touched the kind of problems we now have with terrorism? Edited October 21, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Notice how Big Brother just keeps getting bigger under each successive government. It's them vs us and all that remains is to decide whose side you're with. You should really take your cue from the French Revolution and also listen to Orwell's advise - just don't let the state get away with it. Probably too late for that now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) UPDATE: I checked out the citizenship guide, and the issue about honour killings and FGM are written back. Edited October 22, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, eyeball said: You should really take your cue from the French Revolution and also listen to Orwell's advise - just don't let the state get away with it. Probably too late for that now though. Maybe not too late. We just have to keep hammering, and challenge every measure that limits our right to express ourselves, and any other rights that they try to chip away at. Never willingly give up any rights! Anyone who does, is a fool. Edited October 22, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) What's happening in Jakarta (as shown by the video), should be a wake-up call. It's not like as if fundamentalism is spreading only in Jakarta. It's world-wide. Young Trudeau is playing with fire. Edited October 22, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 18 hours ago, eyeball said: Yes, right winger as I said. Please refer to post revolutionary France for the proper historical definition of what constitutes a right winger. Clearly the definition has evolved and isnt so black and white. Socialist is another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 10 hours ago, betsy said: Maybe not too late. We just have to keep hammering, and challenge every measure that limits our right to express ourselves, and any other rights that they try to chip away at. This face covering law is something that directly chops at and undermines people's rights. Quote Never willingly give up any rights! Anyone who does, is a fool. What would you call someone who willingly encourages the state to take away someone's rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 9 hours ago, drummindiver said: Clearly the definition has evolved and isnt so black and white. And that's the problem. The original definition never implied a sliding scale between the ideological views of people on the left and right - it simply described where they sat in relation to the only thing between them which is the power of a government, be it capitalist, socialist or anything else really. I suppose one could come up with scales to describe the way power is applied be it conservatively or liberally, fairly or unfairly, benevolently or malevolently, intelligently or stupidly for example...but these are completely different things where left and right almost only apply pejoratively or praisingly and that's it. Quote Socialist is another one. Only to the extent that lefties are likened to Pol Pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: This face covering law is something that directly chops at and undermines people's rights. BS. Why wasn't anyone complaining that one can't wear a speedo or bikini to court? Or, why can't we wear masks to do business in a bank? Hypocritical. And yet, we know why liberals and Trudeau-esque mindset are all in an uproar - it's because they say we're targetting Muslims! How many Muslims wear burqas and niqabs in Quebec? Quote What would you call someone who willingly encourages the state to take away someone's rights? Like, we are all complicit with the above? Nobody's taking any rights away. People still have the choice. If you want to cover your face, don't take the bus. Simple as that. Edited October 23, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Quote The vast majority of women surveyed who wear the niqab in Canada are not only willing to remove their veils to be identified, but feel it is part of their responsibility to do so, according to the most extensive research of its kind. The women interviewed were generally young and the vast majority had chosen to wear the niqab on their own, often despite the protests of family. Clarke said she had a sense from the research that choosing to wear the niqab in Canada “may be a bit of a youth movement,” and “a lot of it is done in the spirit of defiance.” http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-survey-of-women-who-wear-the-niqab-reveals-choice-may-be-a-bit-of-a-youth-movement If a young person starts becoming a fundamentalist - wouldn't that be a red flag for possible radicalization? Edited October 23, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just now, betsy said: BS. $10 says the courts will settle that. Quote Why wasn't anyone complaining that one can't wear a speedo or bikini to court? Or, why can't we wear mask to do business in a bank? Logical reasoning would be my guess. Quote Like, we are all complicit with the above? Not me. Quote Nobody's taking any rights away. People still have the choice. Except for those covering their faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Quote As a Muslim, I Think Canada Should Ban the Niqab and Burka in Public As a Muslim mother who never saw a niqab when I was growing up in Karachi, Pakistan, I am astonished to see Canada's judiciary caving in to Islamists who have nothing but contempt for Canada's values of gender equality. I write this as a Muslim Canadian who does not have any specific political leanings. But in the 25 years I have called Canada home, I have seen a steady rise of Muslim women being strangled in the pernicious black tent that is passed off to naïve and guilt-ridden white, mainstream Canadians as an essential Islamic practice. The niqab and burka have nothing to do with Islam. They're the political flags of the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, the Taliban, al-Qaida and Saudi Arabia. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/raheel-raza/niqab-burka-ban-canada_b_8189112.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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