Banning Big Rigs In Left Lane

[maplesyrup]

You are a bit confused - the North Vancouver proposal was to restrict the big rigs to the right lane. When vehicles wish to exit all they do is turn right, as 99% of the exits are off to the right. As a result traffic will flow better for commuters and the roads will be safer. An additional feature would help as well is for all trucks to have governors installed so they are unable to speed.

Speed governors must

[Slavik44]

So far I have not heard one valid argument against the suggestion that trucks be restricted to the right lane. It is a safety issue, as well as as a traffic flow issue. And it is a quality of life issue for our daily commuters.

Another part of thre problem which has not even been discussed is the size of the trucks. They are much too big for most of our roads.

well I belive to hear you must first listen

[maplesyrup]

So far I have not heard one valid argument against the suggestion that trucks be restricted to the right lane. It is a safety issue, as well as as a traffic flow issue.  And it is a quality of life issue for our daily commuters. 

Another part of thre problem which has not even been discussed is the size of the trucks. They are much too big for most of our roads.

well I belive to hear you must first listen

Your posts are a lot like augusts - a lot of mumbo-jumbo.

[Slavik44]

So far I have not heard one valid argument against the suggestion that trucks be restricted to the right lane. It is a safety issue, as well as as a traffic flow issue.  And it is a quality of life issue for our daily commuters. 

Another part of thre problem which has not even been discussed is the size of the trucks. They are much too big for most of our roads.

well I belive to hear you must first listen

Your posts are a lot like augusts

wow, finally someone complements my input.

[Slavik44]

So far I have not heard one valid argument against the suggestion that trucks be restricted to the right lane. It is a safety issue, as well as as a traffic flow issue.  And it is a quality of life issue for our daily commuters. 

Another part of thre problem which has not even been discussed is the size of the trucks. They are much too big for most of our roads.

well I belive to hear you must first listen

Your posts are a lot like augusts - a lot of mumbo-jumbo.

and by the way maplesyrup could you perhaps inform me as to what is so wrong with what I said, because you jsut pointed out how you slectively ignore certain posters on this forum, like August and ignoring him alone would be 5 missed posts from this very thread and 2,400 pieces of information on all threads in mapleleaf web, that may be why you miss alot of valid arguements.

[brianw]

Why not just ban left lanes?

[August1991]

Why not just ban left lanes?

MS might object. So, I suggest we ban right lanes on the other side of the road.

[KrustyKidd]

I wasn't kidding about the money issue. Hugo observed quality of life is directly related to income and jobs etc. To do the two things MS sugested (banning trucks to right lane and governors) first implies an extreme falshood. Trucks and their drivers are only to blame for 25% of the accidents between cars and trucks, the other 75% is the fault of the car and driver. Therefore, logic would dictate to make the adjustments where the fault lies - with that of the cars and drivers.

For example, why not make people take a written test to determine if they can go on a road that supports big trucks? Simply being aware of the stopping distance required and blind spots would save a lot of lives. Second, being courteous. Trucks don't want to be in the left lane, bad for nerves, bad for socialability, and it is unsafe as lots of cars doing well over the legal speed limit are there and make for a bad mix.

So why is it that when a truck must pass a much slower truck, the passing driver wishes to wait a moment until a couple of cars can pass him so he does not impede traffic, he puts his turn signal on and he has the right timing, right momentum to make that pass once those two cars are passed. Suddenly, from way back, the next car, who was a moment ago doing 60 now speeds up so that the truck cannot make his signaled lane change? This subsequent move of rudeness, forces the truck to then slow at the beggining of the hill and then pull out once the car has passed, subsequently passing the other truck at a much lower speed. Halfway up the hill, with a 20 MPH drop in speed from what he would have had if the car didn't make that idiotic selfish move, he would have been out of the way and back into the right lane. Instead, he has ten or so pissed off cars behind him.

Now, to the money part. I get $100 if I have to go into any of the boroughs of New York CIty. Reason - it sucks. It's not a good place for a big truck. It is time consuming and it is a hassle and my milage for the day drops from 600 to three or four hundred.

Most factories are inot in major cities. There is lots of freight to haul continent wide without ever having to go insside the beltway of any city. If any city makes a law where I have to lose income by going there, you can be sure I'm not going to go there. This right lane law will cost Vancouver dearly as extra incentives have to be paid to get people to deliver there. I know there is no way in hell I'm going to burn off a morning drivfng at thirty miles per hour vice the sixty I could be doing.

An extra fifty bucks a truckload is what it will cost to the driver. Add ten or so for the shipper, another ten for the reciever, antoher ten for the guy who owns the trailer that is burning an extra day and you are into the hundrd dollar per truckload range. A truckload that used to cost 800 or so.

Realy want to watch prices climb? They will.

Somebody else mentioned train and why we dont use them more. Answer, JIT. It takes a train from BC a few days to get put together. Another ffew days to cross the country, abnother few days to get taken apart and another few days to get put onto trucks. If sent by truck, it would have been there, been worked on and more than likely, at the end customer being sold by the time the train freight arrived. A guy in a factory wating for a part has no warehouse these days. Its JIT. Just in time. Two weeks is not just in time, it' spells the loss of jobs and business to competitiors who dont operate like that.

JIT is important, that's the reason why the Hudson's Bay Company ran this continent rather than the North West Company. Because they got the goods to market one year earlier because of their longer shipping season on the Bay rt=ather than the NWC St Lawrence port.

Jobs will be lost, companies will pack up and move to the states, your quality of life will go down but, you still won't have to leave for work any earlier to beat the trucks in the left lane, because you won't be working.

[Stoker]

Interestingly enough the folks in North Vancouver are considering quality of life over profits. If the fascists want to call them commies so be it, and quite frankly who cares.

Ahh yes..........all those good socialists that put "quality of life over profits", that live on the North Shore

Are not these the same people that wanted a tunnel built to Whistler along the ski to sea?

We must not have big rigs going through the British properties now.........

[Shakeyhands]

August... I guess you are keeping the Banning reason a secret?

[August1991]

August... I guess you are keeping the Banning reason a secret?

There's no secret that I'm aware of. I was never given any explanation.

I can only surmise that some forums operate differently from this one.

[maplesyrup]

I think it was surrounding some homophobic bigotry issue.

[August1991]

I think it was surrounding some homophobic bigotry issue.

That's my point MS. It is sometimes too easy to make accusations, often by innuendo, without any basis in fact.

But as I noted above, I simply don't know why I was banned.

In the grand scheme of things however, there is no harm done. Some Internet forums operate like private clubs with arbitrary rules for membership. I think that's perfectly legitimate.

[caesar]

Are not these the same people that wanted a tunnel built to Whistler along the ski to sea?

Nope, that is west Van close but West Van is more snooty and rich. They don't like old folks in seniors residences sitting outside as they are a blight to their view.

[maplesyrup]

Rabble has a zero tolerance rule for homophobes.

[caesar]

who cares, get back on the subject.

[Stoker]

Nope, that is west Van close but West Van is more snooty and rich. They don't like old folks in seniors residences sitting outside as they are a blight to their view.

Is not West Van part of the North Shore? Does the upper level Highway not go through West Van?

[maplesyrup]

The North Shore comprises West Van and North Van. North Van includes North Van District and North Van Muncipality.

[maplesyrup]

Has anyone heard whether this motion was adopted by the North Van District council? I think if we did a poll on favourite areas to live in Canada, North Vancouver would top or come very close to topping the list. Quality of life factors are huge there. It's a great place!

Bylaw would ban trucks from left lane

[greyhound]

Has anyone heard whether this motion was adopted by the North Van District council? I think if we did a poll on favourite areas to live in Canada, North Vancouver would top or come very close to topping the list. Quality of life factors are huge there. It's a great place!

Bylaw would ban trucks from left lane

They already are at the "top or come very close to topping the list" of dumb cities after that stupid proposal, IMO.

My proposal?

Have two speed limits on the highways, the speed limit for trucks being 10 to 15 percent slower than for cars.

It's the same proposal that I already proposed to the Washington State Governor. I wonder if they adopted it?

[greyhound]

It's the same proposal that I already proposed to the Washington State Governor. I wonder if they adopted it?

I just called the Governor, Gary Locke, to see if they adopted it yet. Being told that a new lady Governor was just sworn in I wasn't giving much hope of finding out about my proposal, or that she even new who I was. To my surprise she, Christine Gregoire, knew who I was.

She thanked me for my proposal, said it works like a charm and also said that the cheque is on the way.

So, Maplesyrup, if you get any money out of it we split it, ok?

[Biblio Bibuli]

She thanked me for my proposal, said it works like a charm and also said that the cheque is on the way.

Just to let you know, Greyhound, the trucks in Washington State are STILL required to go 10 miles per hour slower than general trafic. And it's STILL working like a charm.

Congrats!

[Hicksey]

The City of North Vancouver is deciding tonite whether or not to ban big trucks from using the left lane. I hope they decide to go ahead with this idea as it will lead to slower trucks on the roads, and as a result less accidents.

For way too long the trucking industry has been been bullying the travelling public on the roads with their big vehicles tying up traffic, and it is time to put a stop to it.

I also think big trucks should be severely restricted as to when and where they can travel on city streets.

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Gotta love it when people that know nothing about trucking start talking.

Maybe you should do some research and see who's safer on the roads, truckers or drivers of cars.

[Hicksey]

The reality is Canadians arew going to have to cut back on trucking - the environment cannot handle it.

We would be a lot better off using local produce, eating what we grow close to home as much as possible. And using locally made products, much more than we do.

Per hour of operation, truck diesel engines emit less polution than cars now. And there's new EPA regulatiuons coming in 2007 to make them cleaner yet. By 2010, truck will almost polution free.

Try again.

[Hicksey]

Has anyone heard whether this motion was adopted by the North Van District council? I think if we did a poll on favourite areas to live in Canada, North Vancouver would top or come very close to topping the list. Quality of life factors are huge there. It's a great place!

Bylaw would ban trucks from left lane

Where there are 3 lanes of traffic, trucks are banned in the left lane in 99% of those municipalities.

Trucks must pass. Loaded trucks cannot travel as fast as empty trucks. Smaller trucks can travel up hills much faster than larger trucks. Trucks hauling 140,000 pounds cannot speed up as fast as trucks hauling 80,000 pounds. More poweful owner operated trucks usually can outpull less pwoerful fleet operated trucks.

Trucks cannot be restricted from passing or there will be a bigger problem. You won't be able to use the exits because trucks will be blocking them all.

People that aren't involved in the trucking industry keep making such ridiculous suggestions and accusations without any of the requisite knowledge to understand what the consequences would be. Maybe they should do some research before they open their mouths.