Israel has some fun with terrosism?

[GostHacked]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's ok with me.  I am not dealing with reports on this thread, so you're railing against a wall.

Again, my comments were general, so I'm not sure why your face is getting all swollen over this.  You can look at the post above mind for a more relevant focus to the issues I was responding to.  Then again, if you are getting so touchy you may want to rethink your views a bit, it may reveal something to the introspective soul.

If you ever need tips on how to moderate, let me know.

[hot enough]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure Rue won't be surprised by what is being written here.  Opportunists regularly take advantage of whatever they can to push anti-semitic propaganda.

Now that is moderation. 

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is the uniquely Western tradition called 'objectivity'.

What a laugh!

[GostHacked]

13 hours ago, hot enough said:

What a laugh!

No kidding, Remember, report and ignore?? Looks like I can report, and moderation can ignore. Bang up job indeed.

I spend more time defending myself than I do with the so called 'Jew bashing' posts, which I never do.

[Rue]

I am going to be very clear. The title of your thread shows clearly you tried to take an issue with a private company or companies and smeer all Israeli citizens with it.

Your dishonest cut and paste is there for all to  see. Your use of the holocaust in your words is there for all to see.

You chose to take an incident and activities  a private enterprise engages in not just to insult and smeer all Israelis but holocaust survivors and by inherent inference any Jew who chose to become Israeli or believes they have the right to defend their right to be a political collective identity.

At the pith and substance of your attack is your repeat theme that Jews who defend themselves from terrorism are necessarily bloodthirsty.

The blood thirsty libel started with the accusation of Jews having the blood of Christ on our hands.

Shylock represented the bloodthirsty in approach to moral values.

Now you recycle this crap using the fact Jews are Israelis to try justify smeering them all as bloodthirsty.

Your posing as an innocent victim shows your character. Your whining to Hot Enough who personally attacks and insults everyone he disagrees with is a joke.

You can't handle being called out on a thoroughly hateful hatchet job and a half assed one where you did not think anyone would actually read what you deliberately parsed and removed from its actual context.

Your continual denial of what you did and your continued whining speaks for itself. So does the title of the thread and now your whining and your petulant responses

If you truly found the business these enterprises engage in questionable you could have easily said so. You chose instead to incite hatred with the title knowing it would attract piss on Israel for existing responses and on cue  it sure as hell attracted the flies.

You Sir raised the pathetic canard that all Israelis especially those who survive the holocaust are bloodthirsty.

Get it clear whiner, victim poser, you want to start hateful threads- have the balls to back them up and not whine like a spineless jellyfish when you get called out.

You want to accuse me or any Jew or any Israeli of being bloodthirsty becaue we defend ourselves from terrorists and people like uou- you know where to find me and whether you hide behind the hood  or a pen name or show your face it makes no difference to me-the stink of the words you spew is the same and so is  my fist.

 

[hot enough]

27 minutes ago, Rue said:

I am going to be very clear.

As usual, Rue, you weren't. You went off on one of your usual incoherent rants. You throw up all and everything as you parade your dogs and ponies across the stage. 

[GostHacked]

36 minutes ago, Rue said:

I am going to be very clear. The title of your thread shows clearly you tried to take an issue with a private company or companies and smeer all Israeli citizens with it.

Rue, you are wrong. I can't convince you otherwise, that is set in your head. Might as well drop it.

I'd call Rue a Muslim-Hater, but I know that is not the case.  So why do I not get the same consideration in return? Oh yeah, because Rue is a troll. Tell me Rue, how you are not a troll so I can continue to call you a troll.

Moderation will take my posts to task way before they take Rue's posts to task.

Edited July 26, 2017 by GostHacked

[Argus]

On 7/25/2017 at 2:39 PM, GostHacked said:

Because I think terrorism tourism is the wrong approach.

I think that military, and paramilitary organizations do this sort of thing in a lot of countries, showing off their capabilities. Probably not in Canada, but I view it as similar to when someone here will stage something like a multi-vehicle car crash, complete with actors as victims, and use it to practice on while interested media and bystanders are invited to watch. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that in Israel, a society militarized and necessarily coarsened by two generations of constant attacks would find demonstrating terrorism and how it's dealt with interesting to see.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Argus

[hot enough]

25 minutes ago, Argus said:

I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that in Israel, a society militarized and necessarily coarsened by two generations of constant attacks

What would you do if terrorists walked into your house and booted you out, stole more and more of your land, killed your children? 

No need to reply Argus, the silent defender of the cowardly right. 

[Rue]

3 hours ago, hot enough said:

What would you do if terrorists walked into your house and booted you out, stole more and more of your land, killed your children? 

No need to reply Argus, the silent defender of the cowardly right. 

You ask  questions on situations you have no clue about but pose as if you understand..

As such you are not worthy of a response.

 

"the boy squirts his pimples in the mirror so can not see the reflection coming back.."

Rue 3333333.33333333

 

Edited July 27, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

5 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Rue, you are wrong. I can't convince you otherwise, that is set in your head. Might as well drop it.

I'd call Rue a Muslim-Hater, but I know that is not the case.  So why do I not get the same consideration in return? Oh yeah, because Rue is a troll. Tell me Rue, how you are not a troll so I can continue to call you a troll.

Moderation will take my posts to task way before they take Rue's posts to task.

You are well aware that combatting terrorism is not something any sane person let  alone Israelis who have to live with its daily attacks  would find fun as you have suggested.

You knew the title of your thread and your words smeering all Israelis would incite the usual piss on Israel/Israelis comments., so your continued posing and whining as a misunderstood victim is pitiful.

Next time you piss check the wind direction.

 

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Edited July 27, 2017 by Rue

[marcus]

5 hours ago, Rue said:

You ask  questions on situations you have no clue about

 

Only Rue has a clue about situations.

Do not post the map of Palestinians' shrinking map and how they now live in Bantustans. The settlements and land grab is all a defensive measure.

Do not post videos of Israeli soldiers treating Palestinians like shit. The Israeli military is the most moral army in the world.

Do not post anything unless Rue approves it. 

[GostHacked]

13 hours ago, Rue said:

You are well aware that combatting terrorism is not something any sane person let  alone Israelis who have to live with its daily attacks  would find fun as you have suggested.

You knew the title of your thread and your words smeering all Israelis would incite the usual piss on Israel/Israelis comments., so your continued posing and whining as a misunderstood victim is pitiful.

Next time you piss check the wind direction.

Rue, you are 100% wrong. Good thing Mike H has your back. IF I was a moderator , I would permaban your ass for this shtick. Oh wait can I use shtick or is that cultural appropriation? Sorry, that's just mah anti-semitism coming through...  /sarcasm <-- even with saying it is sarcasm, you are still gonna go on about it.

The only responses I see that are worth responding to in this thread are from Argus.  I don't see eye to eye with him often, but the replies are at least civil. I mean the way to debate is to debate the information in the articles.

SO good job on derailing the thread all with the help of our forum 'facilitator' Mike H. 

Rue, good thing you don't represent all Isrealis, or all Jews.

[Michael Hardner]

37 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Rue, you are 100% wrong.

Why don't you just respond to his points instead of commenting on the moderator, which again is not me.

He pointed out that this isn't the nation of Israel but a private company who is doing this.  You could just respond to that or continue to rail.

[Rue]

40 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Rue, you are 100% wrong. Good thing Mike H has your back. IF I was a moderator , I would permaban your ass for this shtick. Oh wait can I use shtick or is that cultural appropriation? Sorry, that's just mah anti-semitism coming through...  /sarcasm <-- even with saying it is sarcasm, you are still gonna go on about it.

The only responses I see that are worth responding to in this thread are from Argus.  I don't see eye to eye with him often, but the replies are at least civil. I mean the way to debate is to debate the information in the articles.

SO good job on derailing the thread all with the help of our forum 'facilitator' Mike H. 

Rue, good thing you don't represent all Isrealis, or all Jews.

Just when I think you can't sink any lower with the Jew comments, you prove me wrong. Lol.

To be clear what you noq have chosen to engage in with your responses to me when I challenged you for parsing and using this thread as an exercise to smeer all Israelis, has a name, its called perpetrator inversion:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/european-anti-semites-increasingly-playing-victim-in-classic-perpetrator-inversion-says-expert/   or

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Driven-by-hatred-481755

I would argue your continuing responses  engage in playing the role of victim in an attempt to divert attention away from your parsing and slur against all Israelis by:

1- attacking me as an illegitimate Jew, i.e., as you stated: "you don't represent all Isrealis (sic), or all Jews";

2-trying to solicit sympathy from Argus, i.e., as you stated: "The only responses I see that are worth responding to in this thread are from Argus.  I don't see eye to eye with him often, but the replies are at least civil. I mean the way to debate is to debate the information in the articles."'

3-accusing Michael Harder of victimizing you, i.e., you stated: "SO good job on derailing the thread all with the help of our forum 'facilitator' Mike H.";

4-seeking sympathy from an imagined audience on the anti semite threat also playing victim there for what you did and being challenged on it.

Interestingly in regards to 2 above, nowhere in your  repeat responses thave you discussed the actual issue you claimed you raised, whether terrorist simulation camps have moral issues. Furtjer your title of the thread made that clear-your actual intent was to call all Israelis out as bloodthirsty using the existence of these camps as justification to do so and shows what you claim was the issue you were discussing and the actual agenda you were pursuing were two different things.,

I would argue your continuing exercise of claiming to do one thing but actually engaging in the very thing you deny demonstrates cognitive dissonance, i.e., you  simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values as a direct consequence of being confronted with  information that contradicted what you claimed was your intent and purpose as well as your alleged beliefs, ideals, and values, specifically that you try play moral Judge against all Israelis while acting dishonestly through parsing and bigoted stereotyping of Israelis and then avoiding and  deflecting from the very dishonest actions you engaged in.

I would argue you continue to avoid admitting what you did and instead trying to divert away from what you did with this victim role.

I would argue ironically by choosing to play victim over and over to avoid accepting responsibility for what you did you amplify your victim role rendering it more and more  absurd.

I would argue the pith and substance of your victim role defense as seen on this and the anti semite  thread necessarily suggests we targets of  your  anti-Semitism should  never allowed to point to instances when you express anti-Semitism  because if we do we are wrongfully playing the “anti-Semitism card” . I suggest that is just you engaging in ter another deflection to justify engaging in and demanding immunity from slurring Israelis and Jews negatively. 

I would argue your attempt to appeal to a Jewish audience claiming my challenge to your slurs of Israelis being blood thirsty is not something a legitimate Jew would say is a very strange attempt to obtain  immunity  from criticism or censure by playing not just the  victim but personally attacking my Jewishness. That device is also known as good Jew/bad Jew shtick where good Jews like you and agree with you and bad Jews are me or presumably Israeli Jews since they choose to be Israeli and their having to defend themselves against terrorism makes them find terrorism fun.

I do seem to remember another poster who used that good Jew bad Kew device and went so far as to suggest he had Jewish friends who were horrified I would defend Israel's right to exist and defend itself.

I would argue you manifest  arrogance, blatant anti-Semitism and a  superiority complex with your words, "  you don't represent all Isrealis, or all Jews" because these words manifest a presumption  you have the right to raise let alone speak to my legitimacy as a Jew because I challenged you and then  to infer to me no Jew or Israeli  would defend themselves as to what you said.

Your exercise in seeking support for your actions from others on this thread is I would argue an exercise in seeking out other  proxy abusers to make you feel better about what you did and also protect you from my challenges

 

 

 

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, Rue said:

Just when I think you can't sink any lower with the Jew comments, you prove me wrong. Lol.

You sink lower with every voluble, confused posting, Rue. You are a complete study in obfuscation. I doubt if even you know what you are trying to say. 

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why don't you just respond to his points instead of commenting on the moderator, which again is not me.

He pointed out that this isn't the nation of Israel but a private company who is doing this.  You could just respond to that or continue to rail.

I HAVE responded to his comments. However you are sanctioning the personal attacks Rue is giving out.  It's like people don't pay attention to things around here. Play ignorant and dumb. It's getting tiring. And every post you made in this thread has not been about what the OP is about.

Stop perpetuating the problem.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

1) I HAVE responded to his comments.

2) However you are sanctioning the personal attacks Rue is giving out.   

1) Maybe I missed it but Rue made a substantive comment about equating the actions of a private Israeli concern with that of the government and you responded by taking it all personally.

2) I have no powers to sanction and you're bunching yourself all up in these posts by creating some strange process in your own imagination.  Just post and report anything that offends you to the moderator.  Take a breath and move on.  

[hot enough]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why don't you just respond to his points instead of commenting on the moderator, which again is not me.

Rue doesn't make points, and you know that, Michael. It is simply a morass of babble.

I have given you numbered specific points on many occasions and all you do is flee. 

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, hot enough said:

1) Rue doesn't make points, and you know that, Michael. It is simply a morass of babble.

2) I have given you numbered specific points on many occasions and all you do is flee. 

1) Nonsense.  Your ability to be objective is again lacking.  You disagree with Rue, obviously, but to say he "doesn't make points" is just ridiculous.

2) I have responded to your points but you stubbornly repeat them and expect me to give you fatherly attention, or somesuch, to keep talking way after bedtime.  

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) Nonsense.  Your ability to be objective is again lacking.  You disagree with Rue, obviously, but to say he "doesn't make points" is just ridiculous.

2) I have responded to your points but you stubbornly repeat them and expect me to give you fatherly attention, or somesuch, to keep talking way after bedtime.  

Fatherly, you ain't, Micheal. Objective, you ain't. Planning your escape like you always do, you are. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Fatherly, you ain't, Micheal. Objective, you ain't. Planning your escape like you always do, you are. 

Sorry you feel that way.  How about we get back to the OP then ?

 

[hot enough]

That's a good idea. You usually use that excuse much sooner. 

[GostHacked]

On 7/21/2017 at 11:05 AM, Rue said:

I would expect an anti-Israel like you to engage in such intellectual dishonesty, remove this story from its actual context, and misrepresent it.

First let's take the quote you deliberately misrepresented and removed from its actual context so people can you deliberately cut it to make it read differently then what it actually said:

"It’s important for Gat  that his clients know why he decided to open his academy to tourists. “One day, I sat there wondering whether a Jew in the death camp of Auschwitz could have ever dreamed that an academy like this would ever exist in Israel and that it would train members of the German army,” he tells them. “And then I said to myself that I am going to open this place to the public to show what a long way the Jewish people have come in 75 years.”

It went on to state in the article:

' "... But today, they understand the importance of what we do here,” he says. “People who do our programs come out with a much better understanding of this country. They become ambassadors for the State of Israel. "

As his instructors like to point out, it’s not only Israeli soldiers who operate according to the army’s “purity of arms” doctrine, which stipulates that soldiers will maintain their humanity even in combat. So do their attack dogs. At a live demonstration, the visitors watch as Zeus lunges at a “terrorist” wielding a knife, forcing him to the ground while tearing into his padded coverall. But once that knife is dropped and the threat is eliminated, Zeus backs off. “Even the dogs in the IDF value human life,” the instructor says." '

You misrepresented the above not providing it for the actual context . You in fact went to paragraph two of the article and removed the following words:

You then went to the full words and context I have reproduced which can be found under the heading, "The Shadow of Ausschwitz and removed the following words from its full context that I have embolded and then you falsely tacked them on to the other words you also falsely removed from their full context:

I call you out as using this thread and your exercise as a pathetic attempt to engage in raising anti semitic stereotypes of Jews as being bloodthirsty.

Go on protest your innocence. The stink and misrepresentation is there for all to see.

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) Maybe I missed it but Rue made a substantive comment about equating the actions of a private Israeli concern with that of the government and you responded by taking it all personally.

2) I have no powers to sanction and you're bunching yourself all up in these posts by creating some strange process in your own imagination.  Just post and report anything that offends you to the moderator.  Take a breath and move on.  

 

Yeah you missed it. I mean Rue did address it .. but you see HOW it was addressed. 

Edited July 27, 2017 by GostHacked

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Yeah you missed it. I mean Rue did address it .. but you see HOW it was addressed. 

Yes.  He parses out your posts and accuses you of misrepresenting things, and calls out the motivation for your posting.  Unlike, Rue, I'm not sure of your personal motivation for your post which is why I speak generally about these things rather than accusing you directly of being anti-Semitic.

 

As I have posted, calling out groups across cultural gap is fraught with problems.  If you chose to do so, then people who don't trust your intentions will call you out.  I for one reserve judgement except where I'm sure.  One example is where posters ascribe the Zionist conspiracy to manipulating things behind the scenes.  That to me is pretty clear.

 

There it is.  I'm just one poster here, and not the one you should be having a substantive explanation/defence of your viewpoint.  Go to it, and report & ignore if you think things are out of bounds.  Good luck !