Grenfell Towers did not collapse

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On 6/17/2017 at 7:34 PM, scribblet said:

Maybe 

Do you deny that US government scientists developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

Do you deny that nanothermite was found in WTC dust?

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On 6/17/2017 at 11:51 AM, OftenWrong said:

I'm not going to answer you, because it is irrelevant. Whether I deny it or not, additional explosives were not necessary.

 

But the thing is, additional explosives were found in WTC dust. That is hardly irrelevant. They were described by the scientists in the following peer reviewed paper.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade
Center Catastrophe

Niels H. Harrit*,1, Jeffrey Farrer2, Steven E. Jones*,3, Kevin R. Ryan4, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth2, Gregg Roberts6, James R. Gourley7 and Bradley R. Larsen

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

And we know that it was US government/military nanothermite because the US government/military are the only ones in the world that have nanothermite.

Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough

[Omni]

23 minutes ago, hot enough said:

But the thing is, additional explosives were found in WTC dust. That is hardly irrelevant. They were described by the scientists in the following peer reviewed paper.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade
Center Catastrophe

Niels H. Harrit*,1, Jeffrey Farrer2, Steven E. Jones*,3, Kevin R. Ryan4, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth2, Gregg Roberts6, James R. Gourley7 and Bradley R. Larsen

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

And we know that it was US government/military nanothermite because the US government/military are the only ones in the world that have nanothermite.

When you crash an aluminum airplane into an aluminum clad steel core building you can expect to find aluminum and iron oxide and aluminum oxide and metallic iron, no thermite charges required.

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22 minutes ago, Omni said:

When you crash an aluminum airplane into an aluminum clad steel core building you can expect to find aluminum and iron oxide and aluminum oxide and metallic iron,

You are making a mockery of science, you are making a mockery of yourself, Omni.

Nanothermite is NOT a ground down product/explosive! Read the link to the US government scientists.

If it was this easy, as you describe above, everyone could make it. 

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no thermite charges required.

Nanothermite was found in WTC dust. FEMA describes the thermitic reactions that created the eutectic steel. 

There is nothing else but a thermite reaction that could have melted/vaporized the steel.

 

[Omni]

10 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You are making a mockery of science, you are making a mockery of yourself, Omni.

Nanothermite is NOT a ground down product/explosive! Read the link to the US government scientists.

If it was this easy, as you describe above, everyone could make it. 

Nanothermite was found in WTC dust. FEMA describes the thermitic reactions that created the eutectic steel. 

There is nothing else but a thermite reaction that could have melted/vaporized the steel.

 

so say you and Steve Jones. Now, can you finally get around to answering the question of how  whoever got all the tons of explosive into the buildings with no one noticing, including the bomb sniffing dogs used regularly in the buildings. 

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On 2017-06-18 at 10:42 AM, hot enough said:

It is a newly discovered group of super explosives found by US scientists from the Lawrence Livermore Labs. Normal thermite is made by grinding the components down to sand sized particles and smaller.

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You can read about nanothermite for yourself, capricorn. Described by Lawrence Livermore Lab scientists.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer (although I suspect you have this info at the tip of you fingers ready to paste here as need be in a nano-second LOL nano-second, get it?). All things considered, and in spite of your concerted efforts to convert readers to your beliefs, I have decided to remain a 9/11 conspiracy non-believer.

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7 minutes ago, Omni said:

so say you and Steve Jones.

So say thousands of architects, engineers, physicists, the Univ of Alaska study, with no scientists coming forward to dispute these absolutely fatal to the US government conspiracy theory facts. 

[Omni]

Just now, hot enough said:

So say thousands of architects, engineers, physicists, the Univ of Alaska study, with no scientists coming forward to dispute these absolutely fatal to the US government conspiracy theory facts. 

So still no answer. Thought so.

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33 minutes ago, capricorn said:

I appreciate you taking the time to answer (although I suspect you have this info at the tip of you fingers ready to paste here as need be in a nano-second LOL nano-second, get it?). All things considered, and in spite of your concerted efforts to convert readers to your beliefs, I have decided to remain a 9/11 conspiracy non-believer.

You can do whatever you choose, but that makes you an anti-science lady, capricorn. Do you still believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny?

Why do you suggest that it is me who has put forward the science? I hope you can see how that makes no sense at all. 

Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough

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8 minutes ago, Omni said:

So still no answer. Thought so.

Why do you continue to make a mockery of you as an adult, Omni? Adults don't, should not act in this fashion.

You make a mockery of MLW. 

"Mapleleafweb operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. We encourage you to speak your mind on relevant issues in a thoughtful way."

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Why do you continue to make a mockery of you as an adult, Omni? Adults don't, should not act in this fashion.

You make a mockery of MLW. 

"Mapleleafweb operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. We encourage you to speak your mind on relevant issues in a thoughtful way."

Yet another deflection.

[Omni]

49 minutes ago, Omni said:

So still no answer. Thought so.

Oh and maybe while you ponder how they have kept all those people quiet for so long, maybe you can calculate how many miles of det cord would have to have been installed as well.

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11 minutes ago, Omni said:

Oh 

You know nanothermite was found in WTC dust. FEMA describes the thermitic reactions that created the eutectic/molten/vaporized steel. 

There is nothing else but a thermite reaction that could have melted/vaporized the steel. 

What created the huge volumes of eutectic/molten/vaporized steel?

How did US government nanothermite get into WTCs 1, 2 & 7?

[Omni]

Just now, hot enough said:

You know nanothermite was found in WTC dust. FEMA describes the thermitic reactions that created the eutectic/molten/vaporized steel. 

There is nothing else but a thermite reaction that could have melted/vaporized the steel. 

What created the huge volumes of eutectic/molten/vaporized steel?

How did US government nanothermite get into WTCs 1, 2 & 7?

So you can only ask questions, not answer them. 

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29 minutes ago, Omni said:

So you can only ask questions, not answer them. 

There is a gigantic difference between my questions and yours. Your's are meant as a grand, but oh so apparently lame, diversion from the crucial questions. It is how you operate. 

Controlled demolition experts wire buildings for demolition fairly often. If you think you have some expertise in this area, by all means, start a thread and have at 'er. 

You have been very dishonest about the planes, the towers' design, Steven Jones, and now you are refusing to answer simple Yes/No questions. Why?

Six simple Yes/No questions. 

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

 

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Controlled demolition experts wire buildings for demolition fairly often. If you think you have some expertise in this area, by all means, start a thread and have at 'er. 

I'll just point to the most ridiculous part: my expertise tells me they don't wire buildings for demolition that aren't planned to be demolished with thousands of people going to work in them each day

And btw, they found hot steel, and molten aluminum. Check the melting temps. of both and it will explain why..Now, about the people silenced, and the miles of det cord?

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15 minutes ago, Omni said:

And btw, they found hot steel, and molten aluminum.

Not hot steel, Omni, molten steel/vaporized steel. Molten fused concrete and steel, melted steel handguns. 

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Check the melting temps. of both and it will explain why.

You explain why. It's your own fiction you are trying to advance.

Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough

[Omni]

9 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Not hot steel, Omni, molten steel/vaporized steel. Molten fused concrete and steel, melted steel handguns. 

You explain why. It's your own fiction you are trying to advance.

Any ideas about how many thousands of conspirators it would have taken or the length of that det cord yet?

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17 minutes ago, Omni said:

Any 

Not hot steel, Omni, molten steel/vaporized steel. Molten fused concrete and steel, melted steel handguns. 

You explain why. It's your own fiction you are trying to advance.

Do you deny that there was molten and vaporized steel at WTC?

Do you deny that there was molten fused concrete and steel?

Do you deny that there were melted steel handguns?

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, hot enough said:

How does anyone reconcile all these impossibilities and make claims to be a thinking individual?

 

Well, as I've said before, I wouldn't put it past some of the characters who've been running the US to consider such an outrageous plot but the absence of a single whistle blower is just too compelling to ignore. Further to that is the unlikelihood the government could ever actually pull it off competently enough to avoid cocking it up.

That said, I can allow for the possibility that the site was salted with enough 'evidence' to give the appearance of a nefariously complicated plot - to undermine inquiries into a much more likely and far simpler root cause (Occam's razor anyone?) i.e. blowback stemming from America's really stupid foreign policies.

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42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, as I've said before, I wouldn't put it past some of the characters who've been running the US to consider such an outrageous plot but the absence of a single whistle blower is just too compelling to ignore. Further to that is the unlikelihood the government could ever actually pull it off competently enough to avoid cocking it up.

That said, I can allow for the possibility that the site was salted with enough 'evidence' to give the appearance of a nefariously complicated plot - to undermine inquiries into a much more likely and far simpler root cause (Occam's razor anyone?) i.e. blowback stemming from America's really stupid foreign policies.

Now that is some wacky conspiracy theory, eyeball. 

No leaks for Gulf of Tonkin, Manhattan Project, The Maine, ... . Even when they are not hidden, they are hidden. Native American genocide, a million slaughtered in Indonesia using techniques even ISIS doesn't know, on death lists supplied by the US. Do you know about it?

You can't "salt" WTC dust uniformly with iron microspheres at a rate that is 1500 times normal office dust samples.

Occam's razor says exploding nanothermite disperses those infinitely better than some guys "salting" the debris. Doncha think?

You can't plant tons of molten and vaporized steel. 

You can't fuse multi-ton pieces of concrete and steel and plant them. 

You can't uniformly plant unreacted particles of nanothermite throughout WTC dust. 

You can't cause a building to fall at free fall speed to trick people. 

You can't cause buildings to fall at accelerating speed to trick people. 

And consider that you are only hearing a few of the things that make the US official story look totally bogus?

All the people scared shitless about answer questions on 911, from this forum right on up to the top levels. That doesn't twig anything in your brain? 

But forget all that and focus on the science. 

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough

[Omni]

37 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Not hot steel, Omni, molten steel/vaporized steel. Molten fused concrete and steel, melted steel handguns. 

You explain why. It's your own fiction you are trying to advance.

Do you deny that there was molten and vaporized steel at WTC?

Do you deny that there was molten fused concrete and steel?

Do you deny that there were melted steel handguns?

So they somehow got the 100 or so metric tons of explosive which would have been required stuffed into the WTC towers, got it all wired up, and nobody noticed anything. And then only trace amounts of residue show up in the rubble. Quite a story. 

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7 minutes ago, Omni said:

And then only trace amounts of residue show up in the rubble.

Are you lying or are you simply incapable of digesting this stuff? There was a lot of residue, 1500 times normal levels.

Not hot steel, Omni, molten steel/vaporized steel. Molten fused concrete and steel, melted steel handguns. 

You explain why. It's your own fiction you are trying to advance.

Do you deny that there was molten and vaporized steel at WTC?

Do you deny that there was molten fused concrete and steel?

Do you deny that there were melted steel handguns?

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11 minutes ago, Omni said:

And then only trace amounts of residue show up in the rubble.  

Completely false. There were large quantities of molten and vaporized steel. Molten molybdenum [4,700F]. Vaporized lead [3,200F].

Do you deny these existed? 

How do you explain their presence in WTC dust?

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Completely false. There were large quantities of molten and vaporized steel. Molten molybdenum [4,700F]. Vaporized lead [3,200F].

Do you deny these existed? 

How do you explain their presence in WTC dust?

So you have no idea how to answer my questions. Carry on.