marcus Posted August 5, 2017 Report Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) On 4/25/2017 at 2:13 PM, Argus said: I don't especially care how I'm perceived but this impacts society at large and helps silence sensible voices who would otherwise like to point out how idiotic and harmful our immigration policies are. Canada continues to improve as a country. Statistics clearly show that we are more educated now, we are making more money, we are safer and we have a lot more delicious food to choose from. Which counters your 'feelings'. Who cares about your scared feelings anyway, besides you and the loud minority of whiners who are too afraid and chickenshit to explore people and ideas that seem unfamiliar to them. Your feelings will be pushed aside just like anything else that is old, stale and holds evolution back for something better. Edited August 5, 2017 by marcus 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) del Edited August 5, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Posted August 5, 2017 36 minutes ago, marcus said: Do you realize that your proposal to bring people from only certain countries goes against Canadian laws, which rejects discrimination based on ethnicity? Who says it's discrimination based on ethnicity? It's based on cold hard numbers from the government itself which shows where we get our more successful immigrants from, and where our less successful immigrants come from. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, marcus said: Who cares about your scared feelings anyway, besides you and the loud minority of whiners who are too afraid and chickenshit to explore people and ideas that seem unfamiliar to them. Your feelings will be pushed aside just like anything else that is old, stale and holds evolution back for something better. You are carrying over an argument from another thread in a way which will be confusing to those reading this one since your reply makes even less sense and has even less intelligence than when in an appropriate topic. I am entitled to my opinion just as much as uneducated scum like you. I know it bothers you, but until and unless we get that Socialist workers paradise you long for and you can clap all your political enemies - not to mention the Jews - into re-education camps you'll simply have to put up with it. Edited August 5, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted August 5, 2017 Report Posted August 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Argus said: You are carrying over an argument from another thread in a way which will be confusing to those reading this one since your reply makes even less sense and has even less intelligence than when in an appropriate topic. I am entitled to my opinion just as much as uneducated scum like you. I know it bothers you, but until and unless we get that Socialist workers paradise you long for and you can clap all your political enemies - not to mention the Jews - into re-education camps you'll simply have to put up with it. We have a history of racism in our immigration history. Let's see now there was the Chinese head tax, Barriers for Blacks, Whites only for the west, Indians need not navigate to Canada, Japanese Gentleman's Agreement, Nazi Fleeing Jews: None is too many, etc.,based on the ideals of those "uneducated scum". Lets be thankful those days are behind us and more enlightened people are handling the issue. 1 Quote
marcus Posted August 5, 2017 Report Posted August 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Omni said: We have a history of racism in our immigration history. People like Argus want to make 'Canada Great Again', by bringing those back. Emotional racists get quite angry when their positions are challenged with facts and statistics. They simply try to push aside Statistics Canada with their own emotional feelings. 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted August 5, 2017 Report Posted August 5, 2017 "Cold hard facts" that make the racists and anti-immigrants foam at the mouth: "some may still be surprised by a study by Garnett Picot and Feng Hou, of Statistics Canada, that verifies that young Canadians with immigrant backgrounds are almost twice as likely to go to university as students whose parents were born in Canada. The social policy experts found 50 per cent of students who immigrated to Canada go to university, compared to 31 per cent of students who had one parent who is an immigrant and only 25 per cent of students whose parents were both born in Canada." Source As these racists and anti-immigrants get older and start paying more visits to the doctor, it's going to feel quite awkward when Dr. Gupta is treating them. 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Omni Posted August 5, 2017 Report Posted August 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, marcus said: People like Argus want to make 'Canada Great Again', by bringing those back. Emotional racists get quite angry when their positions are challenged with facts and statistics. They simply try to push aside Statistics Canada with their own emotional feelings. Yes to hear some of those discussions you would think the country was fracturing further into chaos with the arrival of every non WASP immigrant. Then as you say, you read the actual stats, or as I have been lucky enough to do, you travel the country from sea to sea to sea,and see for yourself it just ain't true. Xenophobia can be overwhelming to some I guess. Quote
Argus Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Posted August 5, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: People like Argus want to make 'Canada Great Again', by bringing those back. Emotional racists get quite angry when their positions are challenged with facts and statistics. They simply try to push aside Statistics Canada with their own emotional feelings. You don't have and have presented nothing in support of immigration as it works today. Not. One. Thing. You cherish immigration only because of your hatred for Canada, its history and its people, and your desire to change it into something different. You are the one reacting emotionally by labeling those who disagree. You appear to have a fundamental dislike of western values, including freedom of speech and expression. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted August 5, 2017 Report Posted August 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Argus said: You don't have and have presented nothing in support of immigration as it works today. Not. One. Thing. You cherish immigration only because of your hatred for Canada, its history and its people, and your desire to change it into something different. You are the one reacting emotionally by labeling those who disagree. You appear to have a fundamental dislike of western values, including freedom of speech and expression. On one side, we have your feelings that you express. On the other, we have facts: "some may still be surprised by a study by Garnett Picot and Feng Hou, of Statistics Canada, that verifies that young Canadians with immigrant backgrounds are almost twice as likely to go to university as students whose parents were born in Canada. The social policy experts found 50 per cent of students who immigrated to Canada go to university, compared to 31 per cent of students who had one parent who is an immigrant and only 25 per cent of students whose parents were both born in Canada." Source 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Posted August 5, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: On one side, we have your feelings that you express. On the other, we have facts: "some may still be surprised by a study by Garnett Picot and Feng Hou, of Statistics Canada, that verifies that young Canadians with immigrant backgrounds are almost twice as likely to go to university as students whose parents were born in Canada. The social policy experts found 50 per cent of students who immigrated to Canada go to university, compared to 31 per cent of students who had one parent who is an immigrant and only 25 per cent of students whose parents were both born in Canada." Source Soooo, it's your contention that we should have hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming into Canada because a lot of their children will one-day go to university? Have I got that correct? This is why we should spend tens of billions a year on supporting a massive immigration system? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
blackbird Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, marcus said: Do you realize that your proposal to bring people from only certain countries goes against Canadian laws, which rejects discrimination based on ethnicity? Go to any major hospital, engineering firm or university. The majority of employees are not Judeo-Christians. I believe you are stereotyping due to ignorance. In my community, there are many who are not from "Judeo-Christian cultures" and things are working out well. We can all learn from other cultures while promoting the strengths of Canada's (which is always changing). Our immigration system should not be discriminatory based on the fear of people, which is usually based on ignorance. We have a merit based skilled worker immigration program, where those with high language skills, education, lower age and skilled work experience have the best chance of immigrating to Canada. Close to 2/3 of immigrants who come to Canada, come through that program. This system does not prejudice based on where the person is applying from. My proposal is only a point of view. A point of view is allowed in Canada under freedom of expression. It is not illegal to express a point of view on immigration policy. We still live in a society which has a certain amount of freedom even if it goes against your own political correctness. Laws can be changed by parliament. Any law which exists can be changed at any time by parliament. Canada is a sovereign country and can set it's immigration policy any way it chooses. As a sovereign nation Canada has the right to allow in whoever it chooses. There are certain religious groups or ideologies that do not assimilate into Canadian society. The government already discriminates in it's immigration policy, i.e. the point system. You pointed it out yourself. A sovereign country has the right to choose who it wishes to bring into it's country. I understand your point about people who are already here. I don't oppose those who are here. Many of them do contribute a net benefit to Canada. That is not the point. We are talking about immigration policies which can be changed to protect Canada's future. Your idea of cultural marxism is destroying Canada and other countries. There is such a thing as Canadian values. Bringing people in who oppose our values and want to change Canada will destroy what we have here. Edited August 6, 2017 by blackbird 1 Quote
blackbird Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 On 2017-04-19 at 11:10 AM, kactus said: Here we go. As soon as one is presented with counter argument then the other party is blamed for being a lefty. Don't you kind of think you are doing the same thing here by labelling people and shutting them down? If you look at the immigration policies of many other countries, you will find many of them do not allow just anybody to immigrate to their country. Some hardly allow anyone into their country. A country has the sovereign right to determine who comes in. I don't agree with the globalists who think Canada should be open to the world and anyone can come here. 1 Quote
Omni Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Argus said: This is why we should spend tens of billions a year on supporting a massive immigration system? Yes and we all know where you get your ridiculously inflated "guesswork" numbers. The Fraser Institute reputation suffers as much as those who follow it. 1 Quote
hot enough Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Laws can be changed by parliament. Any law which exists can be changed at any time by parliament. Canada is a sovereign country and can set it's immigration policy any way it chooses. As a sovereign nation Canada has the right to allow in whoever it chooses. That is false. Why is it that the people who rise up to be against the US appointed boogeyman of the day are so clueless? Quote
hot enough Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 1 hour ago, blackbird said: There is such a thing as Canadian values. And you folks don't have a clue what they are. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) The left-right split on immigration will evolve as the issue becomes a more pressing one and immigrants in Europe begin to threaten the welfare state and social cohesion. The FN in France is not right wing on all economic issues and has many working class supporters. As an immigrant, I believe immigrants should be chosen on their merit and our needs. Edited August 6, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Omni Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: As an immigrant, I believe immigrants should be chosen on their merit and our needs True enough, and that has been the focus of our policy for the years following PET's revised protocol on immigration. However refugees is another story. We should stand up to our neighbor(s) and stop the misguided foreign wars that create them. Syria for instance. Quote
blackbird Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Omni said: True enough, and that has been the focus of our policy for the years following PET's revised protocol on immigration. However refugees is another story. We should stand up to our neighbor(s) and stop the misguided foreign wars that create them. Syria for instance. You are living in a dreamworld. Canada has a population of about 37 million, not much more than Mexico City or Tokyo' population. You think Canada could wave it's magic wand and stop all wars? Edited August 6, 2017 by blackbird Quote
hot enough Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, blackbird said: You are living in a dreamworld. Canada has a population of about 37 million, not much more than Mexico City or Tokyo' population. You think Canada could wave it's magic wand and stop all wars? Nice to see that you are satisfied being a supporter of war criminals, baby killers, terrorists, ... . Canada obviously has a lot of people who would have wonderful death camp guards. Quote
Omni Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 1 minute ago, blackbird said: You are living in a dreamworld. Canada has a population of about 37 million, not much more than Mexico City or Tokyo' population. You think Canada could wave it's magic wand and stop all wars? Yes I'm quite aware of country populations. And obviously we don't have a magic wand. I'm pointing out the kind of approach such as Chretien's to Bush's invite to enter an illegal war in Iraq. Quote
blackbird Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: Yes I'm quite aware of country populations. And obviously we don't have a magic wand. I'm pointing out the kind of approach such as Chretien's to Bush's invite to enter an illegal war in Iraq. Yes, that was one war that I agree we should not have gone into. But here are others that we had to go as for example WW1 and WW2, the Korean War, and Afghanistan. Jesus said we would always have wars. Quote
Omni Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Jesus said we would always have wars. "Jesus said", that's supposed to be some sort of justification? Jesus can kiss my ass. Supplication of that type is why we still have wars. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 Just now, Omni said: "Jesus said", that's supposed to be some sort of justification? Jesus can kiss my ass. Supplication of that type is why we still have wars. 1 minute ago, Omni said: "Jesus said", that's supposed to be some sort of justification? Jesus can kiss my ass. Supplication of that type is why we still have wars. I'm afraid you don't understand. I would have to check into the context of Jesus' statement. He wasn't implying that war was a good thing or condoning it at all. Just stating a simple fact of wars existence in the world. You need to read the Bible. The Bible is the source of wisdom. Quote
Guest Posted August 6, 2017 Report Posted August 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, hot enough said: Nice to see that you are satisfied being a supporter of war criminals, baby killers, terrorists, ... . Canada obviously has a lot of people who would have wonderful death camp guards. It doesn't take much in the way of qualifications. An irrational hatred of people from other countries will do it. You'd be permanent employee of the month if they were Americans. Quote
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