Jewish Center Bomb Threat Suspect Is Arrested in Israel

[SpankyMcFarland]

Back on topic...this fellow seems unfit for trial. It goes to show how much mayhem one sick individual can cause in the internet age. 

[marcus]

On 4/4/2017 at 9:47 AM, Argus said:

When I see people who could not possibly care less about the slaughter of anyone around the world for any reason, who never mention it, never post about it, never show the slightest interest in any kind of human rights abuses, including the gassing of Syrian civilians as mentioned in today's papers, then go into fits of outrage whenever there is a violent interaction involving Israel, it doesn't take a great leap of the imagination to figure out that the issue for some has nothing to do with any care for human rights. Nor does it take much of a leap of logic to figure out what does piss them off.

Jews.

 

 

Oh look. It's the "what about..." argument. Just because people choose to protest against one thing rather than another, similar, thing does not invalidate their protest. If I choose to protest against, or boycott Israel then that's my choice. I don't have to protest or boycott every state with which I have some concerns. Different people have different priorities. My parents chose to boycott apartheid South Africa in the seventies, but that protest was not invalidated because they did not boycott every state with which had some issues. You do what you feel is right, and what you feel is likely to be effective.

Regarding Israel - I am very critical of much of what the state does. This reflects on my attitude to the citizens that elected the government. In no way does religion enter into my critical view. The fact that it is a Jewish state is entirely irrelevant.

[DogOnPorch]

14 minutes ago, marcus said:

Oh look. It's the "what about..." argument. Just because people choose to protest against one thing rather than another, similar, thing does not invalidate their protest. If I choose to protest against, or boycott Israel then that's my choice. I don't have to protest or boycott every state with which I have some concerns. Different people have different priorities. My parents chose to boycott apartheid South Africa in the seventies, but that protest was not invalidated because they did not boycott every state with which had some issues. You do what you feel is right, and what you feel is likely to be effective.

Regarding Israel - I am very critical of much of what the state does. This reflects on my attitude to the citizens that elected the government. In no way does religion enter into my critical view. The fact that it is a Jewish state is entirely irrelevant.

...while children contaminated with sarin gasp for air...and die on camera...in states with some concerns. 

Now...had Israel done that..."whadabout"...

 

[Argus]

8 hours ago, marcus said:

Oh look. It's the "what about..." argument. Just because people choose to protest against one thing rather than another, similar, thing does not invalidate their protest.

It makes it utterly fatuous and insane. Or to quote Douglas Murray, who is gay. "I wish those protesting the pope for not allowing me to marry would reserve their ire for those who want to throw me off a cliff."

8 hours ago, marcus said:

If I choose to protest against, or boycott Israel then that's my choice.

Right. And if I choose to concern myself with hungry cats instead of starving children, no one will think that odd, right?

The Syrians and their Russian partners are gassing children but your concern is what the "Zionists" are up to. Why? No concern for the abuse of human rights would focus on such a vastly lessor transgressor while remaining mute on such things.

8 hours ago, marcus said:

Regarding Israel - I am very critical of much of what the state does. This reflects on my attitude to the citizens that elected the government. In no way does religion enter into my critical view. The fact that it is a Jewish state is entirely irrelevant.

And yet, no other reason makes the slightest degree of sense.

[marcus]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

It makes it utterly fatuous and insane. Or to quote Douglas Murray, who is gay. "I wish those protesting the pope for not allowing me to marry would reserve their ire for those who want to throw me off a cliff."Right. And if I choose to concern myself with hungry cats instead of starving children, no one will think that odd, right?

It's your opinion that Israel's systematic abuse of the Palestinians and human rights violations for the past 6+ decades is equivalent to hungry cats.

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The Syrians and their Russian partners are gassing children but your concern is what the "Zionists" are up to. Why? No concern for the abuse of human rights would focus on such a vastly lessor transgressor while remaining mute on such things.

First of all, you are quick to point fingers at Syrians + Russians, without any proof. Because that's how you roll. You lack the sophistication and judgement to look outside of the box and instead, you have chosen to "pick a team" and echo whatever that you are told to repeat. So your whole premise of your argument starts clumsily.

Regardless of "who done it", the horrifying scenes we have been witnessing from Syria is just that. It is some of the most brutal things I have seen in my lifetime. I can at least say that my country has very little involvement in the cluster fuck which Syria has turned into. They have not supported any of the sides involved (yet), including the Syrian government, the Russians, the rebels, the Wahabi mercenaries, like ISIS. and other terrorist groups. 

I speak against the situation in Syria when I can and would pressure on my government if they supported any side that has created the situation. On the other hand, the situation in Palestine has been going on for decades. Many decades before Syria.

Not only that, but we are able to see only one side of who people are on this forum. If someone comes into this forum and starts excusing any of these horrific acts being committed in Syria, I would be more than happy to speak out. Thankfully, there aren't any idiots who are defending the crimes against the people in Syria. On the other hand, there are a handful of people who try to defend the horrific treatment of Palestinians by the "Zionists" on this forum. 

Your comparison and attempt to create a connection between the situations in Syria and Palestine is illogical. and irrational. It;s a weak attempt at shutting down conversation that will not work. 

 

[marcus]

I should mention that I'm glad you are so concerned about the well-being of the Syrians. I'm sure the next time Canada decides to bring in refugees from there, you will fully support the decision.

[Argus]

23 hours ago, marcus said:

It's your opinion that Israel's systematic abuse of the Palestinians and human rights violations for the past 6+ decades is equivalent to hungry cats.

Compared to what's happening in Syria, in Iraq and Yemen, in South Sudan, in North Korea, in Mali and Nigeria and other places - it IS the equivalent of hungry cats.

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First of all, you are quick to point fingers at Syrians + Russians, without any proof.

When have you EVER required the slightest evidence, let alone proof, to point fingers at Israel?

 

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Because that's how you roll. You lack the sophistication and judgement to look outside of the box and instead, you have chosen to "pick a team" and echo whatever that you are told to repeat.

Were you snickering when you wrote that? Given your incredibly one-sided expositions about Israel, which have been so one-sided they could have been written by the UN's human rights council, you are really in no position to make such an allegation against anyone at all.

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.Thankfully, there aren't any idiots who are defending the crimes against the people in Syria. On the other hand, there are a handful of people who try to defend the horrific

Horrific? There are death camps in North Korea. Syria is gassing children. South Sudan is using starvation as a weapon. ISIS are taking children as sex slaves, buying and selling them on slave markets. Horrific? Has Israel established a slave trading system? Does Israel behead opposition figures like Saudi Arabia does, or hang them the way Iran does? Horrific?

Let me explain the moral bankruptcy of your position. Even the UN, as one-sided as they are, have stated that Hamas uses children as human shields. Now think about that for a moment. They are using their own civilians as human shields because they know the hated Jews, who they say are descended from pigs and monkeys, will hesitate to kill them. Can you imagine the IDF herding Jewish kids out in front of them in hopes this would prevent Hamas from opening fire? The idea is laughable. Hamas would be delighted to kill Jewish kids, as they've demonstrated often enough in the past. So Hamas is itself showing that Israel is on a higher moral plateau than they are themselves.

During the last dustup between them, it was pointed out by you and yours how one-sided the casualties are, as if this was a demonstration of Israel's evil. But one of the reasons the casualties were one-sided is because Israel has taken great pains to shield its civilians, to build bomb shelters for them, while Hamas has actually located itself AMONG its civilians in order to increase the death toll so people like you would get more indignant about how one sided it was. So who is on the higher moral plateau there?

*I believe it was Sam Harris I heard pointing this out but could be wrong.

Edited April 8, 2017 by Argus

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎06 at 8:54 PM, marcus said:

 

Your comparison and attempt to create a connection between the situations in Syria and Palestine is illogical. and irrational. It;s a weak attempt at shutting down conversation that will not work. 

 

Your use of this thread to attack Israel's right to exist is again manifested. The m.o. of these threads starting with one subject and then switching gear to try question the right of Israel to exist is loud and its blatant. The issue was about some mentally ill person being arrested in Israel for making death threats. You have chosen to use it to launch into an anti Zionist tirade which Argus responded to. It was in fact you who chose to initiate the comparison in the first place-but hey you actually take responsibility for your role on this thread or any other and admit what your agenda is?

Tell me other than question Israel's right to exist what do you write on this forum? What do your latest words have to do with the topic?

 

 

[marcus]

On 4/7/2017 at 4:54 PM, Argus said:

Compared to what's happening in Syria, in Iraq and Yemen, in South Sudan, in North Korea, in Mali and Nigeria and other places - it IS the equivalent of hungry cats.

You don't seem to get the fallacy in the comparison. Your attempt to try to shut down criticism of Israel is not going to work. 

Here is an analogy for you:

There is a gang of really abusive group (Israel), who has been reeking havoc in a neighbourhood (Palestine). They control everything that happens in that neighbourhood. They're well armed and they abuse whoever they please in this neighbourhood. They kill and dispossess people's property with impunity. This blatant abuse is reported to the police, however, nothing is ever done, because the police commissioner (U.S.) and some of the top cops are bought out by this gang.

After many years of this abuse, in another part of the city, along comes a fresh new gang,  who begins abusing the people in its neighbourhood. This gang's tactics are much more vicious.

Then, the next time someone comes to complain and report the original gang which has been abusing the people in its neighbourhood, a few apologists start complaining that people should not be reporting this gang, because there is another gang, somewhere else, who seems to be using more gruesome tactics.

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When have you EVER required the slightest evidence, let alone proof, to point fingers at Israel?

I point out to the fact that something has not been proven and you comeback with that? 

How about you let me know the next time I point a finger without evidence, instead of firing blanks and whining. Fact remains that there has been no evidence that Assad carried out the 2013 and the latest chemical attacks. In fact, the 2013 attack was investigated and the UN reported that there was evidence that they were carried out by foreign backed rebels.

I recommend you read this article, which is about the UN commission which investigated the chemical attack in 2013. I think you should make an effort to inform yourself about a topic, before you start typing about it.

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Let me explain the moral bankruptcy of your position. Even the UN, as one-sided as they are, have stated that Hamas uses children as human shields.

At the same time, I can show you several UN reports where there is clear evidence that Israel used men and children as human shields. But who cares about that, right? It's much simpler to parrot the tired, old, b.s. to try to excuse the slaughtering of Palestinians by Israel.

Just a reminder: The Israeli high court who ruled that the IDF should not use civilians as human shields. Of course, the IDF continued to do it after this ban, as reported by several international reports and seen continuously in many videos, which have become a major problem in the narrative Israel wants to sell the world.

Edited April 9, 2017 by marcus

[Argus]

10 hours ago, marcus said:

You don't seem to get the fallacy in the comparison. Your attempt to try to shut down criticism of Israel is not going to work. 

Here is an analogy for you:

The analogy would only work if you lived in the first neighborhood. If, however, you lived in another city, and this second, much worse group, had been operating for many years and you ignored them and continued to focus on the first, people would wonder why. Unless of course, you have personal involvement in that neighborhood.

And even then it's a false analogy since there are lots of gangs in that neighborhood and all of them are worse than then one that you are obsessed with. They simply lack the power to project their brutality as they would wish.

10 hours ago, marcus said:

At the same time, I can show you several UN reports where there is clear evidence that Israel used men and children as human shields

You miss the point. There have been a few cases where the IDF used ARABS as shields from attack. Do you comprehend the difference in using your own people to shield you from an enemy and using the enemy's people to shield you? Hamas if showing explicitly, that they know Israel doesn't want to harm civilians. Even ENEMY civilians. Hamas, of course, has no such concerns, even about THEIR OWN civilians.

 

 

[marcus]

12 hours ago, Argus said:

The analogy would only work if you lived in the first neighborhood. If, however, you lived in another city, and this second, much worse group, had been operating for many years and you ignored them and continued to focus on the first, people would wonder why. Unless of course, you have personal involvement in that neighborhood.

My analogy works perfectly fine without me needing to live in that area.

I care about the ongoing struggle of the Palestinians and the human rights violations committed by Israel for many decades. I can't suddenly turn off my interest and thoughts on the region, because suddenly, in the past few years, there is a really shitty group out there, in another part of the world.

Not only that, but another reason I speak up, which you keep missing the point on, is that NO ONE is trying to excuse or legitimize ISIS' actions on this forum. Also, my government is not supporting them either. On the other hand, a handful of people on this forum try to excuse and legitimize Israel's actions and my government continues to back Israel, politically (although, very quietly).

Your attempt to try to shut down criticism of Israel has failed on different levels.

[Argus]

10 hours ago, marcus said:

My analogy works perfectly fine without me needing to live in that area.

I care about the ongoing struggle of the Palestinians and the human rights violations committed by Israel for many decades. I can't suddenly turn off my interest and thoughts on the region, because suddenly, in the past few years, there is a really shitty group out there, in another part of the world.

 

You only care about human rights violations by Israel, but not human rights violations by Palestinians against Palestinians. And they are egregious. Both Hamas and the PLO torture prisoners and engage in extra-judicial murder. Hamas is explicitly antisemitic and wishes not a two state solution but the extermination of Jews throughout the world. It deliberately places its rockets and other military installations near schools and hospitals and other civilian areas in hopes that any Israeli retaliation will produce a civilian death toll they can then brandish as justification - and to entice stupid westerners to wring their hands and condemn Israel. Just how do you expect Israel to deal with such a death cult like this? 

[marcus]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

You only care about human rights violations by Israel, but not human rights violations by Palestinians against Palestinians.

I have just taken my time to explain to you why I haven't suddenly stopped supporting the plight of the Palestinians against the brutal regime that has been occupying them for over 70 years, just because of a psychotic group in the past few years. I don't have time for your blank shots of accusations and your attempt to distract the conversation from the real picture. You either have very little knowledge of what's happening there, by your latest "what about.." and the false parallel you are trying to draw, or you are purposely being dishonest. I think it's a combination of both.

 

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, marcus said:

I have just taken my time to explain to you why I haven't suddenly stopped supporting the plight of the Palestinians against the brutal regime that has been occupying them for over 70 years, just because of a psychotic group in the past few years. I don't have time for your blank shots of accusations and your attempt to distract the conversation from the real picture. You either have very little knowledge of what's happening there, by your latest "what about.." and the false parallel you are trying to draw, or you are purposely being dishonest. I think it's a combination of both.

 

 

When wasn't the Palestinian Cause run by a psychotic group?

[dre]

On 4/6/2017 at 9:57 AM, Argus said:

It makes it utterly fatuous and insane. Or to quote Douglas Murray, who is gay. "I wish those protesting the pope for not allowing me to marry would reserve their ire for those who want to throw me off a cliff."

Right. And if I choose to concern myself with hungry cats instead of starving children, no one will think that odd, right?

The Syrians and their Russian partners are gassing children but your concern is what the "Zionists" are up to. Why? No concern for the abuse of human rights would focus on such a vastly lessor transgressor while remaining mute on such things.

And yet, no other reason makes the slightest degree of sense.

This is all just logical fallacy.

Selective outrage is something  you are just as guilty of as anyone else.

 

[Rue]

52 minutes ago, dre said:

This is all just logical fallacy.

 

 

Oh look more name calling because Dre has nothing to  present as a position. Hey who saw that coming-who Dre name call because he has nothing o contribute to the actual thread topic? Hey now, when in doubt insult Argus. Lol.

Let's re-cap for Dre shall we. Oh Dre, Marcus came on this board and refuses to discuss the subject matter of the thread and instead uses it as a pretext to question Israel for existing. The words are there for all to see. If you want to pretend they don't exist knock yourself out.

There is no fallacy to pointing that out and challenging the selectivity of the entity Marcus attacks.

I again repeat Marcus's words and the thread subject matter are there for all to see and so in his litany of recycled piss on Israel posts is his selective outrage,

Now let us address directly your drivel.

A "fallacy"  is necessarily a mistaken belief. Neither Argus nor I can be mistaken about what Marcus wrote. Its there for all to see.

More to the point, in in fact our belief he is subjective about who he finds offence with and how he refuses to discuss the subject thread is  is mistaken which is impossible as his very words prove and evidence those conclusions...even if we were to take some magic mushroom or LSD with you and suspend reality and enter your Alice In Wonderland world, even there in that world, the Mad Hatter would point out your assumption that the  basis of or mistake was logical would make no sense. If it was logical it would not be mistaken it would he accurate and therefore true.

 What you were probably trying to say was that either Argus or I engaged in faulty reasoning or faulty logic, which yout hen believe makes our comments invalid. Faulty logic, or faulty reasoning as you are in fact accusing him of, would not be logical.

More to the point, if anything your assumption your subjective projections as to what is sound or unsound is illogical. and that is because you have shown your subjective opinions expressed as name calling are not based on logic, in fact they are not based on anything. They have the substance of a fart not the excrement they would probably be based on if you produced that excrement or should I say basis for your fart or should I say pronouncement.

Let's also clear something else up because you sure as hell are painful in your ability to even  criticize, Argus has not appealed to worse problems not as he suggested Marcus's words are crap  because there are more important problems in the world, you and he infer that. He's never suggested that are mounted that as an argument so even if you would try argue he in fact made a formal or informal fallacy you would be wrong, yet again.

Let's repeat it one more time. Marcus came on this board and refuses to discuss the subject matter of the thread and instead uses it as a pretext to question Israel for existing and both Argus and I challenged him on that and his laughable double standard when discussing moral outrage.

You words cheer lead Marcus.

Look either start a thread urinating on Israel or move on and complain about Trump or Jews in another thread.

Buh bye now.

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

I have just taken my time to explain to you why I haven't suddenly stopped supporting the plight of the Palestinians against the brutal regime that has been occupying them for over 70 years, just because of a psychotic group in the past few years. I don't have time for your blank shots of accusations and your attempt to distract the conversation from the real picture. You either have very little knowledge of what's happening there, by your latest "what about.." and the false parallel you are trying to draw, or you are purposely being dishonest. I think it's a combination of both.

 

No your words show you deflect from the subject matter of the thread to question Israel's right to exist and subjectively call it names. In fact your comments evidence direc deflection from the subject matter  and that this deflection was initiated by you and how in fact you now proclaim in your words since you feel the subject matter is not real, you can change the subject.  Your indirect accusation of Argus being dishonest when you accuse him of the very thing you do speaks loudly and shows why your words have zero credibility.

[dre]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

Oh look more name calling because Dre has nothing to  present as a position. Hey who saw that coming-who Dre name call because he has nothing o contribute to the actual thread topic? Hey now, when in doubt insult Argus. Lol.

Let's re-cap for Dre shall we. Oh Dre, Marcus came on this board and refuses to discuss the subject matter of the thread and instead uses it as a pretext to question Israel for existing. The words are there for all to see. If you want to pretend they don't exist knock yourself out.

There is no fallacy to pointing that out and challenging the selectivity of the entity Marcus attacks.

I again repeat Marcus's words and the thread subject matter are there for all to see and so in his litany of recycled piss on Israel posts is his selective outrage,

Now let us address directly your drivel.

A "fallacy"  is necessarily a mistaken belief. Neither Argus nor I can be mistaken about what Marcus wrote. Its there for all to see.

More to the point, in in fact our belief he is subjective about who he finds offence with and how he refuses to discuss the subject thread is  is mistaken which is impossible as his very words prove and evidence those conclusions...even if we were to take some magic mushroom or LSD with you and suspend reality and enter your Alice In Wonderland world, even there in that world, the Mad Hatter would point out your assumption that the  basis of or mistake was logical would make no sense. If it was logical it would not be mistaken it would he accurate and therefore true.

 What you were probably trying to say was that either Argus or I engaged in faulty reasoning or faulty logic, which yout hen believe makes our comments invalid. Faulty logic, or faulty reasoning as you are in fact accusing him of, would not be logical.

More to the point, if anything your assumption your subjective projections as to what is sound or unsound is illogical. and that is because you have shown your subjective opinions expressed as name calling are not based on logic, in fact they are not based on anything. They have the substance of a fart not the excrement they would probably be based on if you produced that excrement or should I say basis for your fart or should I say pronouncement.

Let's also clear something else up because you sure as hell are painful in your ability to even  criticize, Argus has not appealed to worse problems not as he suggested Marcus's words are crap  because there are more important problems in the world, you and he infer that. He's never suggested that are mounted that as an argument so even if you would try argue he in fact made a formal or informal fallacy you would be wrong, yet again.

Let's repeat it one more time. Marcus came on this board and refuses to discuss the subject matter of the thread and instead uses it as a pretext to question Israel for existing and both Argus and I challenged him on that and his laughable double standard when discussing moral outrage.

You came on this board to cheer lead Marcus.

Hiss boom baw, eat Israel raw.

Look either start a thread urinating on Israel or move on and complain about Trump or Jews in another thread.

Buh bye now.

 

 

 

As usual its impossible to even understand what you are talking about. I didnt call Argus any names, I said his assertion was logical fallacy, and thats exact what it is. The rest of your is just gibberish.

[Argus]

5 hours ago, marcus said:

I have just taken my time to explain to you why I haven't suddenly stopped supporting the plight of the Palestinians against the brutal regime t

The brutal regime would be Hamas, right? Or the PLO? They're both brutal regimes, more brutal than the Israelis.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, dre said:

This is all just logical fallacy.

Selective outrage is something  you are just as guilty of as anyone else.

Not in evidence. I've condemned countries from Russia to South Africa to North Korea to China, Iran and Saudi Arabia and Serbia. Even complained about Israel a time or two.

How come none of the 'anti zionist' crowd ever does that if it's human rights that concern them?

Edited April 10, 2017 by Argus