Why all the worldwide turmoil? (9/11 thread)

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

You know Cessna builds jets right?

So you are a Cessna jet pilot. Amazing. 

[Wilber]

3 hours ago, Omni said:

Maybe listen to him and you may learn some actual facts.

Such is the futility of trying to have a dialogue with these guys. He has no clue whether that is a pressure altimeter or a radio altimeter, how they work or how they are used and doesn't want to know.  I don't know which it is either because the one in that screen shot doesn't look like either one. It looks a like a pressure altimeter but doesn't have a setting window and it doesn't look at all like a radio  altimeter. I also don't know the source of that screen shot, anyone could have made it. What do you think? The difference between us is that we know what we don't know when we look at that stuff.

Edited April 23, 2017 by Wilber

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Such is the futility of trying to have a dialogue with these guys. He has no clue whether that is a pressure altimeter or a radio altimeter, how they work or how they are used and doesn't want to know.  I don't know which it is either because the one in that screen shot doesn't look like either one. It looks a bit like a pressure altimeter but doesn't have a setting window and it doesn't look at all like a radio  altimeter. I also don't know the source of that screen shot, anyone could have made it. What do you think? The difference between us is that we know what we don't know when we look at that stuff.

Yeah I got busy elsewhere so didn't get around to asking what that little screen shot was supposed to suggest was happening. I also questioned that alt. as you say, no setting. I think there is some suggestion by "these guys" that says the plane couldn't have descended quickly enough to hit the Pentagon. And if recall correctly the Pentagon grounds are ~110' asl, so if the alt. was showing 70' above impact or 180' above, either could have been accomplished in the seconds before impact. Especially if you are seving Allah and on your way to the 72 virgins.  

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Such is the futility of trying to have a dialogue with these guys. He has no clue whether that is a pressure altimeter or a radio altimeter, how they work or how they are used and doesn't want to know.  I don't know which it is either because the one in that screen shot doesn't look like either one. It looks a like a pressure altimeter but doesn't have a setting window and it doesn't look at all like a radio  altimeter. I also don't know the source of that screen shot, anyone could have made it. What do you think? The difference between us is that we know what we don't know when we look at that stuff.

 

3 minutes ago, Omni said:

Yeah I got busy elsewhere so didn't get around to asking what that little screen shot was supposed to suggest was happening. I also questioned that alt. as you say, no setting. I think there is some suggestion by "these guys" that says the plane couldn't have descended quickly enough to hit the Pentagon. And if recall correctly the Pentagon grounds are ~110' asl, so if the alt. was showing 70' above impact or 180' above, either could have been accomplished in the seconds before impact. Especially if you are seving Allah and on your way to the 72 virgins.  

People who actually know what they are talking about. How refreshing. 

[hot enough]

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People who actually know what they are talking about. How refreshing. 

You wouldn't know if they knew or not, bcs. You have never offered anything that would illustrate that you know anything about anything.

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This altitude has been determined to reflect Pressure altitude as set by 29.92 inHg on the Altimeter. The actual local pressure for DCA at impact time was 30.22 inHg. The error for this discrepancy is 300 feet. Meaning, the actual aircraft altitude was 300 feet higher than indicated at that moment in time. Which means aircraft altitude was 480 feet above sea level (MSL, 75 foot margin for error according to Federal Aviation Regulations). You can clearly see the highway in the below screenshot directly under the aircraft. The elevation for that highway is ~40 feet above sea level according to the US Geological Survey. The light poles would have had to been 440 feet tall (+/- 75 feet) for this aircraft to bring them down. Which you can clearly see in the below picture, the aircraft is too high, even for the official released video of the 5 frames where you see something cross the Pentagon Lawn at level attitude. The 5 frames of video captured by the parking gate cam is in direct conflict with the Aircraft Flight Data Recorder information released by the NTSB.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

24 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2017 by hot enough

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You wouldn't know if they knew or not, bcs. You have never offered anything that would illustrate that you know anything about anything.

 

 

 

Call it a hunch.  

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Call it a hunch.  

That's terribly over generous as regards your knowledge and abilities. 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That's terribly over generous as regards your knowledge and abilities. 

That's the whole point of a hunch. You don't need knowledge and abilities. As yours seem equal to mine when it comes to airline cockpit instrumentation, I would have thought you would welcome the opinions of those who don't need the hunch. 

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

That's the whole point of a hunch. You don't need knowledge and abilities.

And how do you enjoy living in that perpetual state of life?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

And how do you enjoy living in that perpetual state of life?

It's only with regard to aircraft cockpit instrumentation. Everything else, I know. 

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It's only with regard to aircraft cockpit instrumentation. Everything else, I know. 

You can't even grasp that which is put in front of you. 

[Guest]

Just now, hot enough said:

You can't even grasp that which is put in front of you. 

I will, when I see it on the news. 

Any news. 

[Omni]

1 hour ago, hot enough said:

You wouldn't know if they knew or not, bcs. You have never offered anything that would illustrate that you know anything about anything.

 

 

 

Yep another piece of BS. How do you propose to prove the alt. was set at 29.92? The altitude of 180' could very well have reflected the altitude with the proper setting. Although I suspect your little cartoon shows a rad.alt.

[betsy]

On 4/22/2017 at 0:57 PM, hot enough said:

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Flight 93 never crashed. There is way way way too much contrary evidence that illustrates that the USGOCT is a gigantic fraud from beginning to end. 

Why are there so many people willing to engage in such deep personal self delusion? 

 

 

 

If Flight 93 did not crash....what happened to it, and its passengers?

[betsy]

On 4/22/2017 at 4:18 PM, hot enough said:

Try to grasp the life preserver, Betsy, not the straws. The calls were faked just like the crash was faked. A jumbo jet doesn't disappear into the ground. 

Flight 93 was still flying 20 or so minutes after the "crash". It was some 500 miles away from Shanksville. 

Why do you seek so desperately to defend such deeply evil murderers? Is that what christianity tells you to do?

 

Heck, you're the one grasping at straws!

 

Of course you do remember that there were passengers in that plane with loved ones mourning their loss, don't you?

If it didn't crash, what happened to United 93 and its passengers??

Edited April 24, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

On 4/22/2017 at 4:25 PM, hot enough said:

The mistakes they made are legion and myriad. These have been described here a number of times yet still there are folks who want to believe in miracles. 

Wrong engine for the WTC plane. Explain that, Betsy.

Plane half in and half out of WTC2 and the surface is as perfect as it had been since it was built. Explain that, Betsy.

Molten steel. Explain that, Betsy.

Vaporized steel. Explain that, Betsy.

Six percent of WTC dust is iron microspheres, the result of nanothermite. Explain that, Betsy.

WTC7 fell at free fall speed. Explain that, Betsy.

Twin towers at accelerating speed. Explain that, Betsy.

 

Oh, trying to change the channel?

You're back to molten steel again, etc.......they've been refuted by sources (Popular mechanics, among them).

 

But, you're slippier than a  slippery eel with your evasion of logical questions. 

 

You're good at housekeeping, too.  You're quick to try to shove my questions under that rug. 

Edited April 24, 2017 by betsy

[hot enough]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Wrong engine for the WTC plane. Explain that, Betsy.

Plane half in and half out of WTC2 and the surface is as perfect as it had been since it was built. Explain that, Betsy.

Molten steel. Explain that, Betsy.

Vaporized steel. Explain that, Betsy.

Six percent of WTC dust is iron microspheres, the result of nanothermite. Explain that, Betsy.

WTC7 fell at free fall speed. Explain that, Betsy.

Twin towers at accelerating speed. Explain that, Betsy.

You have to start focusing on the science and leave the propaganda alone, Betsy.

[hot enough]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

You're back to molten steel again, etc.......they've been refuted by sources (Popular mechanics, among them).

You're way short on sources, as always.

And the pyroclastic flows. Those only occur from volcanoes, nuclear explosions and controlled demolitions [and turbidity currents]

http://911u.org/Physics/WTCenergySurplus_15.html

Edited April 24, 2017 by hot enough

[betsy]

51 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You have to start focusing on the science and leave the propaganda alone, Betsy.

 

Translation: 

Don't ask logical questions I can't answer, betsy.  I have to follow my propaganda script.  My source  doesn't address those sensible questions.   

Edited April 24, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

52 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You're way short on sources, as always.

And the pyroclastic flows. Those only occur from volcanoes, nuclear explosions and controlled demolitions [and turbidity currents]

http://911u.org/Physics/WTCenergySurplus_15.html

 

I hope nobody try to make a movie of your conspiracy theory.  It's full of holes.

 

Why on earth would Todd Beamer use his cell phone REPEATEDLY after the crash when he knew he was supposed to have died in that plane crash?

After that allegedly hoax of a plane crash, Beamer's supervisor (or whoever was orchestrating it), would've had to make sure nothing that stupid will happen, and unravel the hoax!

 

[hot enough]

6 hours ago, betsy said:

If it didn't crash, what happened to United 93 and its passengers??

And this doesn't even give you folks pause.

"The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft." - George Nelson Colonel USAF (ret.)

An absolutely incredible level of disconnect. 

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, betsy said:

Why on earth would Todd Beamer use his cell phone REPEATEDLY after the crash when he knew he was supposed to have died in that plane crash?

After that allegedly hoax of a plane crash, Beamer's supervisor (or whoever was orchestrating it), would've had to make sure nothing that stupid will happen, and unravel the hoax!

 

Leave the straws alone, Betsy, they won't save you. 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

And this doesn't even give you folks pause.

"The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft." - George Nelson Colonel USAF (ret.)

An absolutely incredible level of disconnect. 

As I pointed out in the SU, maybe your colonel should speak with his C-130 Herc crew who saw 77 hit.

[hot enough]

8 minutes ago, Omni said:

As I pointed out in the SU, maybe your colonel should speak with his C-130 Herc crew who saw 77 hit.

What is lower than "an incredible level of disconnect"?

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

What is lower than "an incredible level of disconnect"?

Running out of steam I see.