2 cultures 1 country ?

[Bakunin]

My question is how should we deal to make it works and make it a win-win deal for both culture ?

I think the main problem is in the federal system. I mean this is where the 2 culture gets in conflict. The best way is probably to make a system that avoid conflict. This mean we have to change the way federal program work and the way money is managed.

First, i think its clear we should make a trully transparent system where we know where evry dollars was spent. To do that, the budget must be organise by an independant organism and when the government ask money she has to say why he need it and where he put it.

Second, evry government program should have a predefined budget where he have to ask again for money if the prediction went wrong. It should be think in a way where any province for some reason can decide to opt out if he has a good reason.

Third, political party system should be rethink. I think it would be easyer if evry party would make a ghost cabinet where we would see who will be minister so it would force evry party to make more national and well represented party. This way, minister would not have to be elected to be minister, they would not be deputy.

The deputy system would be independant of political party. It would erase strategic vote and party line. This way it would be pointless to make regional party.

[August1991]

WOW!

I think the main problem is in the federal system. I mean this is where the 2 culture gets in conflict. The best way is probably to make a system that avoid conflict. This mean we have to change the way federal program work and the way money is managed.

Bakunin, you are right.

What do English Canadians think of the idea that they should manage their affairs (and money) their own way; and Quebec should manage its affairs (and money) its own way but we all should share this space in northern North America. We can call it Canada, because that's where we live, together.

[Bakunin]

I think the point is evry deal must be made on a win-win basis, when we can get along and make a good program for the whole country then its great but if their is something in the deal that one province doesnt like then he can decide not to participate and this way we can coexist without fighting all the time. fighting is not productive... it wouldn't be a special status to quebec, it would be a province-federal way to deal.

[Tawasakm]

I think the point is evry deal must be made on a win-win basis

Now if only we could do that on an international basis.

And aren't there three cultures when including the First People?

[Argus]

What do English Canadians think of the idea that they should manage their affairs (and money) their own way; and Quebec should manage its affairs (and money) its own way but we all should share this space in northern North America. We can call it Canada, because that's where we live, together.

And who decides on our foreign affairs policies? Who decides how much we spend on the military and how big it is? Do we run two separate justice systems with two separate prison and parole systems because Quebecers are a lot softer than TROC on crime issues? Who appoints the Supreme Court, or do we have two seperate courts? Is the present incarnation of "Official Bilingualism" to stay throughout the civil service? Frankly, just about all the advantages of such a system would be better if Quebec and TROC were to separate.

[Guest eureka]

If English Canadians manage affairs their own way and Quebec manages its affairs its own way, who manages the affairs of the 600,000 plus English Canadians who are Quebeckers? There were 1,250,000 of these before Quebec did start managing its affairs its "own way."

Or is this a good argument for the partition of Quebec?

[ndpnic]

I think, technically, there are 100's of cultures in Canada.

We are the country that allows immigrants to come live here, and still practice thier former Cultural pactices and beliefs.

[Bakunin]

there are tone of culture but im talking about the 2 biggest culture. Specially because 1 of these culture is as big as a province.

eureka, english quebecers are quebecers and they still participate in the society. why is it so hard for you to accept that it would be better off on a win-win basis.

[Guest eureka]

Because the only win-win basis for English speaking Quebeckers would be the restoration of their civil rights which, increasingly, is beginning to look as though it cannot be achieved by any method short of force or partition.

Given the remote possibility of Quebec regaining freedom and civil liberties, would you include a right of return for the 750,000 or so Quebeckers who fled the province?

[Bakunin]

stop complaining like if the english province didn't do what quebec did..... there are more english in quebec than any other province have a minority group, why ? because they have right and they choosed to stay. The people who quitted is problably has big as the people who left other province when they saw that the only billingual province was quebec. That other province where not french friendly.

the only people that are touch by the law 101 are immigrant and when you look where they come from:

1. Haïti 10 000 7%

2. Liban 9600 7%

3. France 7500 6%

4. Chine 6600 5%

5. Roumanie 5200 4%

6. Sri Lanka 4700 3%

7. Philippines 4600 3%

8. Inde 4400 3%

9. Pays de l'ancienne URSS 4300 3%

10. Vietnam 4100 3%

Do you see an english country ???? they are mostly part of the french community........ So stop whining......

[Guest eureka]

I have suggested to you in other threads, Bakunin, that you remove the clamos from your mind. You are right about immigration but do you ask why?

Currently, only 21/2% of immigration to Quebec is made up of English speakers since none will go to the nasty little place any more. There is little inflow from other Canadian sources either. What there is is usually on temporary transfers since and they have rights that are denied to others because Quebec cannot enforce all the language provisions against them personally.

When you think that the exodus of more than 50% of English speakers from Quebec is a trivial matter and that they are "whiners," then it says more about you than the morality, or legality, of Quebec's regime.

You can add to that a substantial group of Francophones that has also left Quebec to rid themselves of the taint of oppression.

[caesar]

We are NOT a two cultural country; We are a multicultural country. Our First Nations people have more rights than the English majority or the French minority. We just have two official languages.

It is time Quebec stopped its whining and draining federal coffers in attempts to make them happy. They seem to enjoy complaining and not making an effort to become a true part of our country. This is a democracy; majority rules. Shut up your belly aching. Each province has special needs and quirks not just Quebec. Why make such a big deal out of which language one speaks. As long as we are able to accomodate your needs wherever you travel in Canada; what is your problem. We have many languages being used on the west coast and many cultures and we all get along with each other quite well.

[Bakunin]

what im saying is giving more power to province will make it easyer to make win-win deal.

but some close minded people don't want more power to the province because they like it when the anglo-saxon federal government don't give a shit about what the province may think about their program.

[caesar]

We do not need to give more power to the provinces; it makes a weak country. That is Canada's problem now; too much power to the provinces. Too many duplications of services that could be done more efficiently and cost effactive by a central government. Health Care is a good example.

[Bakunin]

and Eureka, if someone decide to immigrate to quebec, i think he need to learn french, its a sign of respect for the community that receive them. If they don't agree then they just have to go to ontario ! isn't it simple ?

We are not stupid enough to assimilate our own culture for your pleasure.....