Diplomacy -- Kevin Vickers in Ireland

[Derek 2.0]

oh really? What was Canada's role and the precursor to Canada's role in each of the events, the Irish 'Easter Rising' and the American Revolution, respectively?

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In regards to the Irish uprising, simple, as members of the British Empire, Canadian troops (under British overall command) took part in quelling it....several Canadians even died.....

Of course its a mooted point, as Canadian diplomats across the globe will take part and attend local ceremonies and events in their host countries.....that is after all a hallmark of diplomacy.........

[waldo]

In regards to the Irish uprising, simple, as members of the British Empire, Canadian troops (under British overall command) took part in quelling it....several Canadians even died.....

my crack research staff... wants to question/challenge your unsubstantiated statement. From research done and presented within the 'Canadian Expeditionary Force Study Group', it appears one Canadian soldier (Neville Nicolas Fryday) was killed; however, his Canadian Expeditionary Force, 75th Battalion Canadian Infantry was in England per WWI deployment preparations - he was born in Ireland and was home on leave...

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Of course its a mooted point, as Canadian diplomats across the globe will take part and attend local ceremonies and events in their host countries.....that is after all a hallmark of diplomacy.........

in your opinion

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[Derek 2.0]

my crack research staff... wants to question/challenge your unsubstantiated statement. From research done and presented within the 'Canadian Expeditionary Force Study Group', it appears one Canadian soldier (Neville Nicolas Fryday) was killed; however, his Canadian Expeditionary Force, 75th Battalion Canadian Infantry was in England per WWI deployment preparations - he was born in Ireland and was home on leave...

Interesting, I never assumed the CEF itself was involved nor heard its mention, instead referencing the tens of thousands of Canadians (and Newfies, Aussies and Kiwis etc) that served with(in) British forces...... Thanks to your crack research team, mine was able to dig deeper into Fryday's history........including this from the Toronto Star (100 years ago) suggesting several CEF battalions from Fryday's regiment served in Ireland as a occupation peacekeeping force.

in your opinion

No, these are the continual actions of diplomats since antiquity.

In regards to Vickers, clearly his actions were the reaction to decades of professional policing, involvement in a high profile terror attack, a British concern of increased Irish PIRA sponsored terror (literally a week prior the increase to the threat level from Irish terrorists was made public), all at a ceremony in honor of those that died in the wake of the Irish rebellion (the forebears of the IRA) at an event boycotted since its inception by the political wing of the IRA......

The protester didn't get hurt (a first in any protest in Ireland/Ulster?)........hardly worthy of a ballad by Bono, nor a cause for renewed cries of Tiocfaidh Ar La.....

[SpankyMcFarland]

Only if the Irish are offended, and from what I've read they seem to be more bemused and amused. I see no ill feelings towards Vickers, even on the part of the man he grabbed.

Hand wringing Canadian liberals, of course, are breathless with anguish over the 'violence' he displayed. I think some of them were actually crying and cowering in corners just on seeing the pictures.

On sites like this in Ireland, e.g. Politics.ie, posters are, on average, more unhappy than happy about the intervention. Whether they are in any way representative is another question.The protester was an invited guest as it turned out who clearly misbehaved himself and the Irish security forces should probably have grabbed him first. The Irish government wants no trouble given the fact that its police force is already under intense scrutiny over various scandals. I still suspect Vickers will be recalled within the year.

[SpankyMcFarland]

In regards to the Irish uprising, simple, as members of the British Empire, Canadian troops (under British overall command) took part in quelling it....several Canadians even died.....

Of course its a mooted point, as Canadian diplomats across the globe will take part and attend local ceremonies and events in their host countries.....that is after all a hallmark of diplomacy.........

Canada has many connections with the Easter Rising. Here's an interesting one. This soldier was convicted of murder, was sent to an asylum and managed to emigrate shortly thereafter to BC. His eventual obituary in the Vancouver Sun was a little economical on these details:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/irish-easter-rising-killer-took-refuge-from-ira-vengeance-in-british-columbia

Edited May 29, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland

[waldo]

Interesting, I never assumed the CEF itself was involved nor heard its mention, instead referencing the tens of thousands of Canadians (and Newfies, Aussies and Kiwis etc) that served with(in) British forces...... Thanks to your crack research team, mine was able to dig deeper into Fryday's history........including this from the Toronto Star (100 years ago) suggesting several CEF battalions from Fryday's regiment served in Ireland as a occupation peacekeeping force.

neither your earlier post or this one adds anything new... or definitive. Your "suggesting" from that article is based on posed questions and conjecture within the article. Suggest you ask your team to dig more, dig harder. My reference is from the Private's 75th battalion's own post-war publication.

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No, these are the continual actions of diplomats since antiquity.

In regards to Vickers, clearly his actions were the reaction to decades of professional policing, involvement in a high profile terror attack, a British concern of increased Irish PIRA sponsored terror (literally a week prior the increase to the threat level from Irish terrorists was made public), all at a ceremony in honor of those that died in the wake of the Irish rebellion (the forebears of the IRA) at an event boycotted since its inception by the political wing of the IRA......

The protester didn't get hurt (a first in any protest in Ireland/Ulster?)........hardly worthy of a ballad by Bono, nor a cause for renewed cries of Tiocfaidh Ar La.....

diplomacy? The event was a lead-up to Irish independence... it did include the first proclamation of an Irish Republic. These British soldiers being commemorated at the event Canadian ambassador Vickers attended, were a part of the British force response that resulted in the deaths of 350 civilians and 'rebels'... are you aware of any commemoration event for those deaths... and whether or not Canadian ambassador Vickers will be in like attendance? Diplomacy, right... something about appearances - yes? Vickers action was not that of a diplomat!

you keep nattering on about PIRA threat levels raised as some validation for Vickers' irresponsible action... in that regard, concerns reflect upon a strong possibility - termed "highly likely", of mainland attacks in England, Scotland or Wales. And if you're purposely avoiding full disclosure, that raised threat level is still less than the existing designated, "severe" level threat, to the entire UK from international terrorism. In that context I trust a short-lease will be kept on Vickers to ensure he doesn't go, "all Rambo", over some perceived international terrorist threat he comes upon!

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[SpankyMcFarland]

The Vickers event appears to have produced only mild excitement in Ireland and the protester himself was pleased with the publicity. Here's a humorous piece on the front of Ireland's largest Sunday newspaper today that praises Vickers' action:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/brendan-oconnor/shock-as-two-people-do-something-34754808.html

[SpankyMcFarland]

I see the ambassador is still at work, doing more conventional things these days:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/canadian-ambassador-kevin-vickers-launches-arctic-novel-1.2773600

[PIK]

Found this nugget in the story.

The incident has generated controversy in Canada, where prime minister Justin Trudeau has come under pressure to take a public stance on the envoy’s actions.

At his party conference in Winnipeg, Mr Trudeau declined to answer when asked by a reporter whether he would recall Mr Vickers.