Transgender people will be protected in Canada.

[CITIZEN_2015]

The most progressive Prime Minister of the most progressive country in the world has put forward the most progressive bill to extend human rights to the most vulnerable citizens, namely the transgender Canadians.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has put forward a bill to extend human rights protections to transgender Canadians.

Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould said Tuesday the law is necessary to make it unequivocal that transgender persons have the right to live free from discrimination, hate propaganda and hate crimes. The proposal comes amid a U.S. debate about transgender bathroom policies that limit restroom use to people based on their birth sex.

Asked what her message to America is, Wilson-Raybould said: "This is a message to all Canadians that we live in a time where discrimination in any form is completely unacceptable."

The Canadian legislation would, if passed, make it illegal to prevent someone from getting a job or to discriminate in the workplace on the basis of gender identity or gender expression. It also expands hate speech laws to include gender identity and gender expression.

Similar legislation has previously failed to pass Parliament several times, including last year. But when Trudeau was elected late last year and he appointed Wilson-Raybould, he made it a part of her mandate to introduce the legislation.

"Everyone deserves to live free of stigma & persecution, no matter who they are or whom they love," Trudeau tweeted.

His government has the majority of seats in the House of Commons so it will likely pass there. After that it will go to the unelected Senate.

Charlie Lowthian-Rickert, a 12 year-old transgender female, thanked the Liberal government and said she feels "much safer."

"It will protect us from hateful propaganda, assault," Lowthian-Rickert said.

The justice minister fought back tears as she spoke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3595073/Canada-introduces-bill-protect-transgender-Canadians.html

Congratulations to Canada and all Canadians for this significant potential change to our laws to protect the most vulnerable citizens of our country from violence and discrimination and yes thank you Mr. Trudeau for this brave move and his progressive humane government (as opposed to formed cold blooded heartless deposed Harper regime) which btw based on the latest poll NOW ENJOYS 52% support among the eligible voters so that if election were held today it would form a supermajority government.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/if-canadians-went-to-the-polls-today-the-liberals-would-get-a-supermajority-says-poll

Edited May 17, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Hal 9000]

The most progressive Prime Minister of the most progressive country in the world has put forward the most progressive bill to extend human rights to the most vulnerable citizens, namely the transgender Canadians.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has put forward a bill to extend human rights protections to transgender Canadians.

Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould said Tuesday the law is necessary to make it unequivocal that transgender persons have the right to live free from discrimination, hate propaganda and hate crimes. The proposal comes amid a U.S. debate about transgender bathroom policies that limit restroom use to people based on their birth sex.

Asked what her message to America is, Wilson-Raybould said: "This is a message to all Canadians that we live in a time where discrimination in any form is completely unacceptable."

The Canadian legislation would, if passed, make it illegal to prevent someone from getting a job or to discriminate in the workplace on the basis of gender identity or gender expression. It also expands hate speech laws to include gender identity and gender expression.

Similar legislation has previously failed to pass Parliament several times, including last year. But when Trudeau was elected late last year and he appointed Wilson-Raybould, he made it a part of her mandate to introduce the legislation.

"Everyone deserves to live free of stigma & persecution, no matter who they are or whom they love," Trudeau tweeted.

His government has the majority of seats in the House of Commons so it will likely pass there. After that it will go to the unelected Senate.

Charlie Lowthian-Rickert, a 12 year-old transgender female, thanked the Liberal government and said she feels "much safer."

"It will protect us from hateful propaganda, assault," Lowthian-Rickert said.

The justice minister fought back tears as she spoke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3595073/Canada-introduces-bill-protect-transgender-Canadians.html

Congratulations to Canada and all Canadians for this significant potential change to our laws to protect the most vulnerable citizens of our country from violence and discrimination and yes thank you Mr. Trudeau for this brave move and his progressive humane government (as opposed to formed cold blooded heartless deposed Harper regime) which btw based on the latest poll NOW ENJOYS 52% support among the eligible voters so that if election were held today it would form a supermajority government.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/if-canadians-went-to-the-polls-today-the-liberals-would-get-a-supermajority-says-poll

So, Is it currently legal to beat up a trans person?

[Moonlight Graham]

Well, it extends certain legal protections to transgender people. Of course all people in Canada have certain basic legal protections ("human rights") already. The ones mentioned are: "the law is necessary to make it unequivocal that transgender persons have the right to live free from discrimination, hate propaganda and hate crimes."

SO I guess it's illegal now to ie: not hire someone based on their gender expression? Was it legal (or legally vague) before?

I don't know enough about this legislation yet, but I definitely feel trans people are quite vulnerable and the targets of terrible treatment all the time despite current law, from the whispers and giggles and name-calling and all sorts of social alienation, to more serious abuse or assault, to even things like barriers to employment etc. Trans people are very very brave to stop hiding and outwardly express being themselves in the face of a society where many people think they're freaks. Hopefully this might help them in some ways.

[CITIZEN_2015]

So, Is it currently legal to beat up a trans person?

This is one step further to protect these citizens from violence, bullying and discrimination written as a law of the country and hopefully will go further to severely punish those who may ignore the law and commit any of above would be crimes. Discrimination and violence against homosexuals and trans gender people is still going on in 2016 in many parts of the world including Canada (though to a lesser extend in Canada) and we need crystal clear laws to protect them and give all possible tool to law enforcement to charge and judiciary to prosecute those who commit any of above would be crimes..Be proud that you are a citizen of a country who leads the world when it comes to human rights and equality for the most vulnerable as I always am myself.

Edited May 17, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Hal 9000]

It's all simple optics. If you discriminate and not hire a person, not allow them in a school, not allow them residency, beat them up, not pay them the same etc etc., then you are discriminating against a human being and it's already on the books.

Nothing will fundamentally change....unless the gov't wants to give trans people something extra that the ordinary human being doesn't get.

You can't legislate away giggles and whispers. It's what we all live with.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Yes I believe new laws would assist more integration of transgender people in the society and in long term would also assist to educate our youth and kids that giggles and whispers hurts and will not be tolerated in an advance society and those losers who may ignore it will be punished according to the laws of the land which will be in law books. All minorities have gone through these stages for decades but having established clear laws against discrimination have helped in past with education of the public and will continue to do so for transgender people too.

[Hal 9000]

Look, I've got nothing against trans people, but this law isn't gonna change diddly squat for trans people. In fact, I think It has the ability to help more politicians than trans gender people.

[Moonlight Graham]

It's all simple optics. If you discriminate and not hire a person, not allow them in a school, not allow them residency, beat them up, not pay them the same etc etc., then you are discriminating against a human being and it's already on the books.

Nothing will fundamentally change....unless the gov't wants to give trans people something extra that the ordinary human being doesn't get.

They want to make a change in the Human Rights Act I believe, at least for one, involving what is legally defined as unlawful discrimination. This is from the Act as it stands now:

Enumerated Grounds of Discrimination

Within this context, the Act goes on to enumerate (or “specify”) specific grounds of discrimination:

• race

• national or ethnic origin

• colour

• religion

• age

• sex (including pregnancy and childbirth)

• sexual orientation

• marital status

• family status

• mental or physical disability (including previous or present drug or alcohol dependence)

• pardoned conviction.

The enumerated grounds are important in that they clearly identify what sort of discrimination the Act prohibits. It is only discrimination that is based on these specific grounds that is considered unlawful. Discriminatory activities on grounds not enumerated by the Act are not prohibited.

So they are more legally protected if this bill passes it seems. They're also amending hate speech laws, which isn't insignificant.

Edited May 17, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[cybercoma]

SO I guess it's illegal now to ie: not hire someone based on their gender expression? Was it legal (or legally vague) before?

Gender identity is not currently in the Canada Human Rights Act, so there is no formal process for challenging discrimination based on that. It would likely be interpreted into the idea of "gender" more generally. Of course, people like Argus don't like the idea of judges and especially human rights commissions interpreting the spirit of laws. So the government is taking the step of formally codifying gender identity into it.

[poochy]

The most progressive Prime Minister of the most progressive country in the world has put forward the most progressive bill to extend human rights to the most vulnerable citizens, namely the transgender Canadians.

O /puke, they already were protected, as every human being is, what they want now is protection for their special requests

"giggles and whispers hurts and will not be tolerated in an advance society and those losers who may ignore it will be punished"

Yes, normal human behavior will not be tolerated by the left wing fascists. Ever notice a guy with a disability, maybe look at them? That too should not be tolerated, that could hurt, perhaps someday we can all get a microchip to patrol our thoughts, we can be punished remotely for even thinking about, thinking about the wrong thing.

[Smoke]

This is what Liberals do! They take a non-problem,pretend that it is a problem, announce that they will make new laws to counter make-believe problem, and then, when anyone disagrees with new laws, they can now say "See we told you they are racists, or homophobes, or xenophobes, or islamaphobes or (fill in leftwing outrage of the day)". Liberal philosophy easy peasy Japaneezy.

[Bryan]

This is what Liberals do! They take a non-problem,pretend that it is a problem, announce that they will make new laws to counter make-believe problem, and then, when anyone disagrees with new laws, they can now say "See we told you they are racists, or homophobes, or xenophobes, or islamaphobes or (fill in leftwing outrage of the day)". Liberal philosophy easy peasy Japaneezy.

Yup. Make up a fake problem that has a self-fullfilling rationale. The loonier their reason for wanting it, the deeper they dig in against the enemy that they invented out of thin air.

[-1=e^ipi]

The most progressive Prime Minister of the most progressive country in the world has put forward the most progressive bill to extend human rights to the most vulnerable citizens, namely the transgender Canadians.

Canada remains outranked by Sweden.

The Canadian legislation would, if passed, make it illegal to prevent someone from getting a job or to discriminate in the workplace on the basis of gender identity or gender expression.

Cool. Can we please extend the job stuff to sex and race as well?

[-1=e^ipi]

Question: Currently it is allowed to employment discriminate against people of the male sex. If I identify as a transwomen, will it become impossible to get discriminated against (when it comes to employment) for being of the male sex? If someone could please clarify this, I would greatly appreciate it

[cybercoma]

Cool. Can we please extend the job stuff to sex and race as well?

Sex and race are already in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

A bunch of you need to actually read the legislation we're discussing.

Question: Currently it is allowed to employment discriminate against people of the male sex. If I identify as a transwomen, will it become impossible to get discriminated against (when it comes to employment) for being of the male sex? If someone could please clarify this, I would greatly appreciate it

Sex is already included in the CHRA. Take it to the commission if you've been discriminated against.

[-1=e^ipi]

Have you not heard of section 15 subsection 2 of the supposed 'charter of rights and freedoms'?

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

We live in a country that hates equality and was founded on the rejection of people being equal under the law (i.e. monarchy).

As for the 'Canadian Human Rights Act'. Yes that wonderful law that is used to deny people freedom of speech and prevents people from publishing Danish cartoons.

[cybercoma]

Yeah. What terrible legislation. Why are we addressing disadvantages? Why can't we go back to the good old days where gay people, aboriginal peoples, and black Canadians couldn't get loans, rent apartments, or find a job because racist pieces of trash didn't like them.

Those were the good ol' days, right buddy?

I suppose it's alright for someone to kick you out of their grocery store because they don't like agender freaks walking around too, huh? Or maybe for someone interviewing you telling you that they won't give you a job because they don't want your kind in their office.

No big deal. Just suck it up and walk it off. Who needs to put food on the table anyway.

[-1=e^ipi]

^Is that comment addressed to me? I can't tell.

Anyway, once transrights have been addressed, hopefully we can deal with men's rights issues.

[Smoke]

Sex and race are already in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

A bunch of you need to actually read the legislation we're discussing.

Sex is already included in the CHRA. Take it to the commission if you've been discriminated against.

If sex is already included the CHRA then why do we need additional protection for transgender? See my previous post for the answer.

[Bonam]

Yes I believe new laws would assist more integration of transgender people in the society and in long term would also assist to educate our youth and kids that giggles and whispers hurts and will not be tolerated in an advance society and those losers who may ignore it will be punished according to the laws of the land which will be in law books.

You want people to be punished by the law for "whispers and giggles"?

[CITIZEN_2015]

You want people to be punished by the law for "whispers and giggles"?

Harassment hurts real bad and we have had recent cases of suicides and attempted suicide right here in Canada so bad that recently a compaign has started to educated people. Yes I want it to be punished when it is directed towards human beings who may be different in any way as it will lead to harm and may lead to suicide.It is like driving someone to suicide.

[CITIZEN_2015]

O /puke, they already were protected, as every human being is, what they want now is protection for their special requests

"giggles and whispers hurts and will not be tolerated in an advance society and those losers who may ignore it will be punished"

Yes, normal human behavior will not be tolerated by the left wing fascists. Ever notice a guy with a disability, maybe look at them? That too should not be tolerated, that could hurt, perhaps someday we can all get a microchip to patrol our thoughts, we can be punished remotely for even thinking about, thinking about the wrong thing.

Only the extreme right wing fascists make statement like this that some vulnerable people who are being treated badly and harassed and discriminated when given rights and equality are accused of demanding for special requests or privileges!!!!!!!!!

Giggles and whispers only may be regarded as normal behavior by losers and fascists who enjoy hurting people and if purposely directed towards people who may be in some way different than the majority is harassment and can lead to serious issues like hurt feelings, isolation, suicides, shootings mass murder is not to be taken lightly and yes should be punishable.

In every society Some losers who wish to hide their own faults and are unsure of their own looks or status or else would resort to harassment so that they feel good about themselves and it was racial minorities like blacks and Jews being picked on and we brought in written laws to punish those who break the laws an educated people about the harm it would cause and now it is time to extend this to other vulnerable people like those with different sexual orientation and transgenders.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Canada remains outranked by Sweden.

Oh Sweden is not a model in which feminazis have taken over and men have little rights. Harper did his part to catch up to Sweden by copying the Swedish model of prostitution laws and impose it on Canadians through deception and manipulations and cheat where buyers of sex (mainly men) will be punished to jail sentences while sellers (mainly women) will be rewarded and immune from prosecution. These idiotic discriminatory laws proven a total failure in Sweden were imposed in spite of the facts that they would endanger the lives of sex workers (another vulnerable group of citizens) and most if not all of sex workers oppose to them as they call it Pickton's law and were never consulted. Liberals promised to repeal these imported laws and they are held to their promise to repeal the imposed C-36.

Edited May 18, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[cybercoma]

You want people to be punished by the law for "whispers and giggles"?

Sorry, can you provide the subsection of the CHRA that covers "whispers and giggles"?

[Bonam]

Sorry, can you provide the subsection of the CHRA that covers "whispers and giggles"?

I wasn't replying to the CHRA, I was replying to a member's post, which I quoted.