segnosaur Posted September 8, 2016 Report Posted September 8, 2016 Evolution should've seen to all that...... Why? Evolution doesn't have a goal or direction. And more importantly, how? There are certain rules of physics (like law of conservation of energy). More complex thought processes will require more calories, and you can't get around that. I understand that. Scientists in general understand that. The only one who doesn't seem to understand science are creationists. Quote
segnosaur Posted September 8, 2016 Report Posted September 8, 2016 While the whaling ships of a hundred or more years ago had a disastrous impact on the species, it is believed that todays commercial shipping is having an even more serious impact due to the noise pollution from the many loud propellers. And don't forget the effect of the sonar used in the military, which may also negatively affect whales and other marine animals. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/ Quote
betsy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Posted December 9, 2016 Oh boy. talk about hitting the nail on the head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8XeIXyh-zw Quote
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 42 minutes ago, betsy said: Oh boy. talk about hitting the nail on the head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8XeIXyh-zw Betsy, do you always get your facts from a dubbed-over video of an actor playing Hitler? Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) LoL even all scientists are stupids. I cant believe how atheists reject anything contrary to their beliefs. They even reject the science just because no scientists accept their fairy tales. I remember an event, there was an atheist person very respectable for atheist community, I dont remember his name, one day he said that I am an atheist since long and after years I see that every clue shows there is God. Guess what happened this "very respectable person" has been accused of being a fcking senile dumb geezer by whole atheist community all around the World Edited December 9, 2016 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Altai said: I cant believe how atheists reject anything contrary to their beliefs. What beliefs are those? Quote this "very respectable person" has been accused of being a fcking senile dumb geezer by whole atheist community all around the World Wow... that's a really interesting story. Great job! Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: What beliefs are those? Wow... that's a really interesting story. Great job! Its a belief to say "there is no God" Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Altai said: Its a belief to say "there is no God" I've never said that and I'm an atheist. Open those ears: I don't believe in God. Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: I've never said that and I'm an atheist. Open those ears: I don't believe in God. I dont believe in God = There is no God = Atheism Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 Just now, Altai said: I dont believe in God = There is no God = Atheism Lol You didn't listen.... Quote
segnosaur Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Altai said: Its a belief to say "there is no God" Having a "belief" implies that you think something is true even if there is no evidence to support it. This is religion... there is no evidence that "god(s)" (that of the bible or koran, or of any hindu deities, or the old greek gods, or the norse gods), so its a "belief" to say that one exists. Rejecting a god does not require "belief"... it is a simple examination of the evidence for god(s), finding there to be none, and taking the default position of "if no evidence exists for something, then we should not believe it is true". I think the best quote of the situation is as follows: I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - ..Stephen F Roberts Humans have "created" hundreds of gods over the centuries... Egyptians had Ra, Horus, etc. Greeks had Zeus, Apollo, etc. Vikings had Odin, Thor, etc. Christians/Jews/Muslims have God. Christians/Jews/Muslims look at the gods of the Egyptians, Greeks, Vikings, Hindus, Polynesians, Japanese, and say "That's silly. Why believe in those?" Well, us Atheists do the same thing when we look at your god. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 9 hours ago, Altai said: I dont believe in God = There is no God = Atheism Does it take belief not to believe in Archura? Quote
segnosaur Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 10 hours ago, Altai said: I've never said that and I'm an atheist. Open those ears: I don't believe in God. I dont believe in God = There is no God = Atheism Usually, when someone capitalizes "God", they are referring to the god as portrayed in the bible and/or koran. It is possible for someone to reject "God" (as portrayed in the Bible/Koran), yet still hold beliefs in other religious figures. They could (for example) be a Hindu. Or they could also be a deist (someone who believes in a god who "created" things but has left the universe to evolve; this is different than the biblical god of christianity/islam who regularly interferes with humanity). An Atheist rejects the notion of all dogs. A deist/hindu/etc. would not be an atheist because they still believe in some god, just not the same as yours. Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 2 hours ago, segnosaur said: Having a "belief" implies that you think something is true even if there is no evidence to support it. This is religion... there is no evidence that "god(s)" (that of the bible or koran, or of any hindu deities, or the old greek gods, or the norse gods), so its a "belief" to say that one exists. Rejecting a god does not require "belief"... it is a simple examination of the evidence for god(s), finding there to be none, and taking the default position of "if no evidence exists for something, then we should not believe it is true". I think the best quote of the situation is as follows: I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - ..Stephen F Roberts Humans have "created" hundreds of gods over the centuries... Egyptians had Ra, Horus, etc. Greeks had Zeus, Apollo, etc. Vikings had Odin, Thor, etc. Christians/Jews/Muslims have God. Christians/Jews/Muslims look at the gods of the Egyptians, Greeks, Vikings, Hindus, Polynesians, Japanese, and say "That's silly. Why believe in those?" Well, us Atheists do the same thing when we look at your god. Its a case of uncertainty in general terms and definitive discourses about an uncertainty makes it belief. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: Does it take belief not to believe in Archura? I have no idea that what is Archura and I cant make any statement about it. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Altai said: I have no idea that what is Archura and I cant make any statement about it. It's a Turkish mythological creature... Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: It's a Turkish mythological creature... I have never heard it and I cant make any statement about something unknown. You need to say the same thing when it comes to the God issue. It becomes a belief when you say there is no God. You should say "I have no idea and I cant make any statement." Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 Just now, Altai said: I have never heard it and I cant make any statement about something unknown. You need to say the same thing when it comes to the God issue. It becomes a belief when you say there is no God. You should say "I have no idea and I cant make any statement." I never said "there is no god". Atheists usually say "I don't believe in gods" The point is... how is not believing in something a belief? Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: I never said "there is no god". Atheists usually say "I don't believe in gods" The point is... how is not believing in something a belief? You dont believe in "existence of God" because you believe in "non-existence of it". Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Altai said: You dont believe in "existence of God" because you believe in "non-existence of it". How can you believe in "non-existence"? Do you believe that bigfoot doesn't exist? That's asinine reasoning. Quote
betsy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) 18 hours ago, The_Squid said: Betsy, do you always get your facts from a dubbed-over video of an actor playing Hitler? Squid, how do you think I say "hitting the nail on the head, bang-on," if I didn't know they were facts in the first place? You have to sit down, and think about that. Edited December 9, 2016 by betsy Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 2 hours ago, The_Squid said: How can you believe in "non-existence"? Do you believe that bigfoot doesn't exist? That's asinine reasoning. Yes I believe it does not exist because there is no proof he is exist. I cant say it does not exist with a certain discourse because there is a possiblity that it may be exist. Its not my duty to prove it does not exist because non-existence is not something could be proven, its the duty of the claimant to prove its exist who says bigfoot does exist. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
betsy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, The_Squid said: I never said "there is no god". Atheists usually say "I don't believe in gods" The point is... how is not believing in something a belief? Why can't you say there is no God? Are you an agnostic? Furthermore, what's this cockamamie line, "I don't believe in gods?" If you're a sensible person with no chips on your shoulders, you won't be saying "I don't believe in gods" if you know there is a possibility that God exists! Especially when there's nothing to support that He doesn't exists! Edited December 9, 2016 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Anyway....no one has given an evidence for macroevolution. So, there. Edited December 9, 2016 by betsy Quote
Altai Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 Soon they are going to find a new gene which leads living things to have macro-evo. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
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