dre Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Those are subjective terms that will be defined by the subject - not the courts. I see nothing in the judgement talking about the fundamental right to control over oneself to suggest that the government has the right to deny someone who believes they are suffering from a "grievous and irremediable" condition access to assistance because the government decides it is not "grievous and irremediable" enough. Keep in mind that the right of a competent individual to decide their own treatment is enshrined in case law. It will be decided by the courts and yes... it IS subjective. Doctors will be given guidelines to follow on which kind of conditions qualify someone for this remedy, coming from statutes and from the code of ethics maintained by their medical association. As soon as someone seeking this remedy is refused they can take this to the superior court, and that subjective judgement will get made. Wait and see. Anyhow... at least you abandoned your argument that only people with... wasting illnesses which take a long time to kill but make it impossible for an individual to commit suicide ...can seek physician assisted suicide according to this ruling. We are 12 pages in now... Maybe time to finally read it? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Maybe there’s enough support out there for starting up a chain of franchise euthanasia boutiques; one in every shopping centre. We could have a whole menu of things to choose from for your final check-out: music, flowers, a “grad” party, legal help for wills and things, handholding, people’s pets, post-departure arrangements for the remains, you name it. For an example, watch that old cult classic, Soylent Green (Charleton Heston, Edward G. Robinson). Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Maybe there’s enough support out there for starting up a chain of franchise euthanasia boutiques; one in every shopping centre. We could have a whole menu of things to choose from for your final check-out: music, flowers, a “grad” party, legal help for wills and things, handholding, people’s pets, post-departure arrangements for the remains, you name it. For an example, watch that old cult classic, Soylent Green (Charleton Heston, Edward G. Robinson). Probably not yet, but certainly, once people have the right to decide their own fate, and others have the right to help them if they wish, who knows? We are an entrepreneurial bunch, after all. Edited February 28, 2016 by bcsapper Quote
Big Guy Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 The problem with attempting to delineate under what conditions the mentally ill can be trusted to make a valid decision about doctor assisted suicide is that most people feel that the mere feeling that one wants to end their life is an indicator that the person is "mentally ill" - a condition that can be cured. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
dre Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Probably not yet, but certainly, once people have the right to decide their own fate, and others have the right to help them if they wish, who knows? We are an entrepreneurial bunch, after all. Not "others"... The ruling applies to PHYSICIAN assisted suicide. Don't run and and get that business license yet! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 The problem with attempting to delineate under what conditions the mentally ill can be trusted to make a valid decision about doctor assisted suicide is that most people feel that the mere feeling that one wants to end their life is an indicator that the person is "mentally ill" - a condition that can be cured. "Most People" wont be making that decision. Doctors and psychiatrists will. And a person who is totally competent can not want to live anymore. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
The_Squid Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Not "others"... The ruling applies to PHYSICIAN assisted suicide. Don't run and and get that business license yet! Don't let facts get in the way of a great hyperbolic strawman!! Quote
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Not "others"... The ruling applies to PHYSICIAN assisted suicide. Don't run and and get that business license yet! I was thinking more about the boutique. Quote
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Since I’m not a lawyer so can’t give legal opinions, here are the thoughts of a constitutional lawyer who intervened before the S.C. of Canada in the "Carter" case on PAS .I agree with his legal opinion: that the Trudeau report on PAS ignores much evidence and proposes the lowest safeguards in the world, leaving the most vulnerable Canadians - entirely vulnerable under a Liberal PAS regime. We should be demanding a more stringent regime for PAS that will protect protect these vulnerable Canadians. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/assisted-dying-report-goes-beyond-scope-ignores-evidence/article28939386/ Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
The_Squid Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Since I’m not a lawyer so can’t give legal opinions, here are the thoughts of a constitutional lawyer who intervened before the S.C. of Canada in the "Carter" case on PAS . I agree with his legal opinion: that the Trudeau report on PAS ignores much evidence and proposes the lowest safeguards in the world, leaving the most vulnerable Canadians - entirely vulnerable under a Liberal PAS regime. What "Trudeau report" are you talking about? Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Since I’m not a lawyer so can’t give legal opinions, here are the thoughts of a constitutional lawyer who intervened before the S.C. of Canada in the "Carter" case on PAS . I agree with his legal opinion: that the Trudeau report on PAS ignores much evidence and proposes the lowest safeguards in the world, leaving the most vulnerable Canadians - entirely vulnerable under a Liberal PAS regime. We should be demanding a more stringent regime for PAS that will protect protect these vulnerable Canadians. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/assisted-dying-report-goes-beyond-scope-ignores-evidence/article28939386/ Why do conservatives insist on controlling our lives and deaths? Quote
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Why do conservatives insist on controlling our lives and deaths? Why do liberals insist on offing vulnerable people. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 What "Trudeau report" are you talking about? The assisted dying report which the lawyer says goes beyond scope and ignores evidence Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Why do liberals insist on offing vulnerable people. Now liberals are murderers? Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 The assisted dying report which the lawyer says goes beyond scope and ignores evidence Did Trudeau sit on the committee? It's too bad that the Conservatives wasted 8 months and didn't even bother to get started on legislation. Quote
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Did Trudeau sit on the committee? It's too bad that the Conservatives wasted 8 months and didn't even bother to get started on legislation. Was Harper on any of the committees or reports attributed to him? Too bad conservatives are a little more conservative when it comes to offing the vulnerable. Better get working on those boutiques. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Too bad conservatives are a little more conservative when it comes to offing the vulnerable. Better get working on those boutiques. They had a hard deadline to craft a new law. They left it for the next guys. Don't expect liberals to disagree with liberal principles around life, liberty, and security of the person. Quote
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 They had a hard deadline to craft a new law. They left it for the next guys. Don't expect liberals to disagree with liberal principles around life, liberty, and security of the person. Too bad they would rather off the vulnerable then doing anything to improve their life, liberty and security. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Too bad they would rather off the vulnerable then doing anything to improve their life, liberty and security. Who is trying to off the vulnerable? Why not present a rational argument, rather than accusing people you oppose of wanting to murder people? Quote
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Why can't we all just agree not to off any vulnerable person who doesn't want to be offed? What about those who are not vulnerable? Off them anyway? Should I stop working out? Quote
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Why can't we all just agree not to off any vulnerable person who doesn't want to be offed? What about those who are not vulnerable? Off them anyway? Should I stop working out? Totally agree... off with the heads of those who don't want to be offed if they are using too much health care.. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Totally agree... off with the heads of those who don't want to be offed if they are using too much health care.. Only if they ask. Quote
scribblet Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Only if they ask.Okay, but they have to ask nicely - Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Who is trying to off the vulnerable? Why not present a rational argument, rather than accusing people you oppose of wanting to murder people?Someone who would seriously argue that the Liberals are going to "off vulnerable people" is not someone you can have a rational conversation with. Quote
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